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I've been getting bashed since my posting days. People didnt even believe my record when I was posting the plays on my thread which could all be tracked back to this day. I post all my plays at tip on my site now and have no possible way of masking losses or fixing my record. I don't have to explain anything to anyone on here. Have you noticed that not ONE person complaining is saying they were/are a current client?Originally Posted by jjgold
are you accusing shari of lying?
yes or no. that is all i ask
If you had more than 5 clients you would have taken that 1600$ gone to Vegas, bet your last 18 winning plays and closed shop a rich man. Your only clients are shills and your tranny boy.
I can't comment on why he chose another handle. Maybe he wasn't thinking straight? Who knows? But as you can clearly see... he writes back professionally. He's been hammered by multiple posters... but he never writes rude remarks back. He had a few hot runs... and honestly... he does pick winners. Whether he posts them or not this year... remains to be seen? But Rudy... if you had talent to hit 57 or 58% wouldn't you want someone to buy your picks? Regardless... we've seen touts come and go... but the kid hangs in there... he gets knocked around constantly... and still delivers winners. I don't know what the business plan is with him and SBR. I'm just saying... if he picks winners... and posts them... why bash him?
Bulls are stacked this year. Jerry Noah, Dan rose, Timmy butler, hard to beat. Seriously though, if rose doesn't have a good scoring option to go to, not sure how much he can do alone vs heat.
So does that mean you are actually joining the contest? Please use your SJ55 moniker so we can actually see how you do. Granted you get to play dead numbers but I really doubt you can hit 57% the whole year. So if your balls have dropped please join the contest so you can be tracked. Don't give us any bullshit like you are worried about your precious plays getting out because most people on here will play the other side anyway.
It sucks that the pick on this SBR sponsored video will be a loser. NO ONE stops the Heat when LeBron really gives a shit about winning that night. I do wish "Mike" Thibadeu (also known as Tom on his birth certificate) the best of luck though.
claims to have over 1,000 clients.... also claims to be a major player in moving lines... i dont have a problem with his record or his plays...he has done well the last few years overall... but for him to see a line move at Pinny and send out a play that follows that Pinny line to his players who have slow moving book outs, and then claim HE is moving the line, is fukking ridiculous... and i hate to be the one to break it to him, but if he honestly believes he is effecting ANY market, he needs to see a shrink ... yesterday
best of luck the rest of the season sj...
I only claim to move the lines in WNBA. This is a very small market and it doesn't take much action in a highly non-liquid market to move the line. Every single line I've released moves a point within 10 minutes. The only other time I've ever claimed to move a line was in the NBA three years ago. There was a span there where my thread was getting 10,000 hits a day and there was obviously a ton of action following my releases. The line would move at Bookmaker within a few minutes. That was the only book I said would move after release. I didnt say I was moving lines everywhere in the NBA.
I do not chase steam in WNBA. It would be a complete waste of my time to spend all the time I do to watch every game and researching plays to then just sit and follow someone else's prediction/action.
I make about 80% of my plays on College Football, much easier lines to beat than NFL obviously because of the amount of teams. Linesmakers can't keep accurate track of every NCAA team but they do a great job in NFL so I don't mess with it as much.
It would also be highly unethical to paying clients that the entire public can get my plays for free via the contest. It's far from a BS excuse.
Originators move lines... you dont model or originate... you make educated guesses... books dont respect educated guesses from kids who went tout from sbr forum and it doesnt matter what their record is... thats a fact... if it makes you feel better to think differently, so be it, but ive talked to a handful of head linesmen who laugh at the notion... no worries, its no biggie to me... like i said, hope you finish strong and have a good football season
fwiw, the amount of ncaa teams compared to nfl teams has very little to nothing to do with you finding lines to be softer...
In the WNBA, the Linesmakers do not care who is putting in the play. The worst sports bettor can move lines in WNBA if they put $1000-$2000 across all books. It's an automated process by the computers. The source of the play doesn't matter, the action does.
Originators move lines... you dont model or originate... you make educated guesses... books dont respect educated guesses from kids who went tout from sbr forum and it doesnt matter what their record is... thats a fact... if it makes you feel better to think differently, so be it, but ive talked to a handful of head linesmen who laugh at the notion... no worries, its no biggie to me... like i said, hope you finish strong and have a good football season
fwiw, the amount of ncaa teams compared to nfl teams has very little to nothing to do with you finding lines to be softer...
Last edited by sweetjones55; 08-18-13 at 06:00 PM.
there is nothing different about wnba wagers than any other sport these days... sure, its a smaller market, but profiled players bets are still recognized and you arent moving wnba lines 2-3pts with a few dimes across the board... you need to stop...nevermind, ill leave you alone so you dont have to embarrass yourself any further ...
What the hell kind hypocritical bullshit is this??? This guy is KNOWN tout and SBR praises him and treats him just fine? And yet Pinny can't post his picks or anything over here??? The more I see from this forum the more I despise it--they say one thing and then do the complete opposite. They ban the players that try and help make money for people and say they don't allow touts and then let the next tout in without saying a damn thing...
meh, they have never tolerated using pm's for business purposes or giving/getting private info... wasnt pinny doing some shit he wasnt supposed to be doing? if they want to do interviews with someone, thats fine...he isnt begging anyone to buy plays or anything... i just hate that he is making his clients and future clients think that he is a major line mover in a market and using it as a selling point and its flat out false...
Last edited by raydog; 08-18-13 at 06:30 PM.
I don't have anything against Sweetjones55, I don't even really know him at all. I know he sells his picks like many others. I'm just tired of people getting treated differently on here. It's one thing to ban players or whatever but at least be fair to everyone, treat everyone the exact same. SBR is so damn fickle it's not even funny. I don't understand at all, and I realize there is probably more to it than I know, but still, something just doesn't seem right here...
Pinny was trying to hustle posters here and start a tout business for free..it does not work that wayWhat the hell kind hypocritical bullshit is this??? This guy is KNOWN tout and SBR praises him and treats him just fine? And yet Pinny can't post his picks or anything over here??? The more I see from this forum the more I despise it--they say one thing and then do the complete opposite. They ban the players that try and help make money for people and say they don't allow touts and then let the next tout in without saying a damn thing...
Pinny is welcome to pay for advertising to SBR and then promote his site
He has said it isnt true. Shari has claimed it has happened more than once. YOu can believe who you want
Ofcourse he does. If you have an irate customer in your tanning saloon drawing negative attention, would you fight back the same way? No, you do not want potential customers seeing you like that.
No I would not sell my picks if I was a winning capper for multiple reasons.
what would I do if I could consistentlywin?
1. work at Mcdonalds part time to accumulate about $1,000. Bet full kelly.
2. find rich people and show my proven documented records and why this is an investment
15. set up a donation site so people who did profit off of me, could help me out a bit
167. become a male prostitute
because he sells plays.
Money let me ask you something pal, lets say you found holy water. You are in New York and have to take it to San Francisco. You have no money. what would you do pal? try to let the whole world know you have holy water just so you can fly first class to San Francisco???
LMAO really jjgold??? Pinny never hustled anybody! Someone aske him the site so he told them. And also didn't you ask Pinny for some tennis advice??? You yourself said he was sharp!!!! Biggets hypocrit out here!!! LMAO
Semper there was much more you do not know about
forget it not even going to waste my time
no loss at all
thousands of cappers in sub forums
I realize there probably is more than I know, but at the same time I see plenty of other "touts" treated much differently, and I don't understand that at all... All he ever did was help people, just like other "touts," and he was banned, never asked anybody or anything for money...
I know some Tonys in the business, but I have no Idea who you are referring to, and Honestly I don't really care about who sweetjones is. Manipulating picks and results on a public Forum is far different than manipulating them on your personal for-profit web site.
Did this Phill guy really call him out? Was it one time? Was it addressed by Sweetjones? Was it on his Private Forum? What are these so called Facts?
As I said, I remember when Sweetjones posted a few years back, But I don't come to SBR for picks, so not only do I care less what his picks are, I'm sure as hell not going to Grade them. But, What irritates me is Azzholes like your self blitzing some guy with your crap.
Touts and self promoting is part of the business, its here to stay, and its our duty to point out the Frauds and expose them. But just pointing at someone and claiming they are a fraud doesn't prove jackshi* Be a Fuckin* Man and stand by what you claim with proof. Just saying you have proof doesn't qualify.
WNBA is a very small betting market and it only takes one guy to do well to move the market. Case in point. Thumb back to this Thread:
http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/nba-basket...ting-tips.html
Cocknocker was irritating and talent less and he also was someone looking to go tout, but his thread moved lines, (More to do with Sexymit than Cocknocker) because it was the only game in town. I even remember Justin7 shouting out to cool it down because that thread was removing value on his own picks. Is Sweetjones moving lines? I really have no Idea, but WNBA touts are far and few in between and it wouldn't surprise one bit.
Last edited by El Sol; 08-18-13 at 07:40 PM.
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Loshak in deep shit here
Are they partners ?
WOW! Now everyone tell us what you really think. Is Sweetjones55 worth subscribing to.
Although I am defending him, I would say no. Hes still new. Although he seems to be talented at handicapping probable outcomes,, hes Green when it comes to understanding Betting Value.
I would stay away for now
Thanks for your input.
el sol... he is a small time tout in the states that claims he is moving the market at a book where americans cant play... 50% gut guesses from touts arent moving pinnys lines... plus, wnba isnt as small of a market as it used to be... i agree, if has some big fish who are max betting every play across the board, there could be some movement, but honestly, big fish arent buying any tout service besides RAS...
I agree, and personally, I have the slightest idea how influential Sweetjones is. Hes the one making a grandiose claim, he has the burden to prove it.
But he is young (I am old) and I remember how cocky one could be and I'm also aware at how cheap talk is. At that age, you're always right, everyone else is wrong. That's kinda why I have an interest in the thread. A few here are Slamming him for him being being a fraud, yet I haven't seen any proof documenting that he is. Its one thing to claim it, its another to prove it.
But claiming to move lines is just as rambunctious, so both parties in this flame war are saddled with the burden of proof.
I'd eBay it Rudy. Not going to lie.
I don't think it's possible for any handicapper to win at a 59% rate for four years and be "Green when it comes to understanding betting value". I beat 90%+ of the lines that I play in all sports. I have been around online for 4 years but I've been wagering on sports for 12 years now so while I am still generally young I've been involved in sports betting for over a decade now.
Last edited by sweetjones55; 08-18-13 at 11:51 PM.
I beat 90%+ of the lines that I play in all sports.Good Lord.
Dead As a Hammer.
About 40% of my clients are overseas and many play at Pinnacle.
My WNBA Lifetime Win Rate is 60%, a higher win rate than RAS who doesn't even sell WNBA picks anymore. I don't know where you are getting the 50% number from.
As in I beat the closing line with the line I release, not that I win at a 90% rate obviously.I beat 90%+ of the lines that I play in all sports.
Dead As a Hammer.
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