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    Even The Best Handicappers In The World Only Hit Around 52% Wins A Year

    I don't remember where I read this... but I read it somewhere about 3 days ago. It's a true statement. So technically depending on how patient you really are... or how hot/cold you're running... you factor in vig... you aren't making much.

    They say you should never... never double up on any wager. Well... I believe you have no other choice but to take chances... If you screw up on any double play... or near triple... you're fukked. Yes... true statement. I guess what I'm trying to say fellas... we all need to do what you have to do to win. Make it worth it...

    My record is absolutely horrible for the first week in preseason football. 4-4 50% + 3864 All Plays Total

    But my last 6 plays (in 4 days) are 4-2 66.6% +4364

    How is that possible? Every double up... and near triple up won. You have to take chances if you're going to win. Maybe I like a little excitement? Maybe I want the blood pumping? Maybe I want to die of a heart attack? But as my favorite ex-coach Herm Edwards said... "You play to win the game."


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    Wrong! !!!!!!!

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    The pros hit higher than 52%, pal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant View Post
    The pros hit higher than 52%, pal.
    I have no doubt that TheGiant hits over 60% mark

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russian Rocket View Post
    I have no doubt that TheGiant hits over 60% mark
    I wish. Nobody hits 60% long-term.

    Except Seaweed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant View Post
    I wish. Nobody hits 60% long-term.

    Except Seaweed.

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    Here's the article

    Article

    It totally made me think of wagering differently. I'm not perfect... but it's up to you to handle money pressure. Have some balls. Don't double on emotion. Just be smart about what you're trying to do. What is that game telling you for the 2H etc. That's all I was saying. Yes, yes yes... I know in theory... you should never double up because emotion is a factor. But what if... what if... you are really analyzing the game well? Pull the trigger.

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    If you are hitting below 55% on the -EV normal play,you are in the red,period dot end.........

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    Even The Best Handicappers In The World Only Hit Around 52%56%-59% Wins A Year



    What is the only difference between a pro and a degenerate?


    Money management..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAULYPOKER View Post
    Even The Best Handicappers In The World Only Hit Around 52%56%-59% Wins A Year





    What is the only difference between a pro and a degenerate?


    Money management..........
    Exactly

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    They all lose at the end. Most just quicker than the otherS. It's a -even hobby

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAULYPOKER View Post
    Even The Best Handicappers In The World Only Hit Around 52%56%-59% Wins A Year



    What is the only difference between a pro and a degenerate?


    Money management..........
    Quote Originally Posted by Darkside Magick View Post

    Exactly
    Never said I didn't disagree with that statement. Money management can be defined by multiple meanings. Simply managing the situation. Doing your job... if you take it (sports wagering) seriously. I was basically saying... you have to believe in yourself as well. Most people get in the habit of just making plays... like throwing darts at a wall. You really have to believe in what you're doing. Have a system... your special system. Managing the situation also means... stick to the system... what that system calls for. Whatever it may be.

    If I got lucky... I was due. But by the same token... if a person gets a little a momentum... how many times have we broke our own momentum by doing dumb things? Many times. Again, manage the situation. Believe in yourself. Use your firepower wisely.

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    Tough to win without low juice books

    Americans at a disadvantage

    Cannot really go by winning percentage because of juice

    It's all about profit /loss and not wins and loses
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    Is the percentage more important than actual money amount? 52% seems more conceptual.

    I know for a fact, that if I only hit at 52% consistently, I'd never have a withdrawl. I don't bet -110 consistently. For instance, I just paid the highest juice of the season with the Dodgers game last night.

    This has to be much more important to 'pro' (those who do this for a living) than the 95% of bettors out there. I'm recreational, and long-term doesn't compute to me. I start each season clean, as in - week 1 of NCAAFB is the start of a new season.

    The last two seasons I've made a profit. That has zero carry over on how I approach this year. And I find zero benefit to computing a winning percentage, when I can easily just figure out withdrawls-deposits, which is obviously the much better indicator of success.
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    Agreed chalky....it is about the money...I leave the percentages to the math geeks

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    take a break pal, youve been tanning too much
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    you can hit 52% picking -200 and still be a loser.

    you have to pick 52.5% betting -110 to be a winning capper.

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    Just bet football and you'll be fine, even if you have to pay up in juice. Here is a winner for you week 1: South Carolina to beat North Carolina at the moneyline at -400. They're trying to give this one to you, and that hardly ever happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMoneyShot View Post
    I don't remember where I read this... but I read it somewhere about 3 days ago. It's a true statement. So technically depending on how patient you really are... or how hot/cold you're running... you factor in vig... you aren't making much.

    They say you should never... never double up on any wager. Well... I believe you have no other choice but to take chances... If you screw up on any double play... or near triple... you're fukked. Yes... true statement. I guess what I'm trying to say fellas... we all need to do what you have to do to win. Make it worth it...

    My record is absolutely horrible for the first week in preseason football. 4-4 50% + 3864 All Plays Total

    But my last 6 plays (in 4 days) are 4-2 66.6% +4364

    How is that possible? Every double up... and near triple up won. You have to take chances if you're going to win. Maybe I like a little excitement? Maybe I want the blood pumping? Maybe I want to die of a heart attack? But as my favorite ex-coach Herm Edwards said... "You play to win the game."

    The key point is that you have to take chances.

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    If you bet dogs only you don't have to hit 52% to win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RudyRuetigger View Post
    take a break pal, youve been tanning too much


    Money, that syphilis gotten to your brain? RAS hits 56% or better consistently on totals. If you bet bases and hockey % doesn't mean shit. It's all about units, baby.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Nino View Post


    Money, that syphilis gotten to your brain? RAS hits 56% or better consistently on totals. If you bet bases and hockey % doesn't mean shit. It's all about units, baby.
    Hey Nino! What's up brother? I wish a knew the first step in wagering totals. I have no clue. Maybe I win 30% on totals... football, baseball, hockey... it doesn't matter. Have no clue. I bet the under... I get 5 goals in the first period. If I bet the over... I get a 2-0 shutout. I'm sure there are patterns somewhere... but again... just don't have the knowledge in that area. I strictly stick with game spreads. I even try to stay away from ML's during football season. How many times have 1 point or 0.5 points clipped you in a game? I'd rather get +100 odds and take a spread than to risk +140 ML odds and take a ML. That's just my theory.

    Again... a lot of theories. I'm just saying... you need to know when to take a chance. Otherwise we're just wasting our time doing this.

    I had one more point... and I forgot it. Damn it. Damn phone calls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMoneyShot View Post
    Hey Nino! What's up brother? I wish a knew the first step in wagering totals. I have no clue. Maybe I win 30% on totals... football, baseball, hockey... it doesn't matter. Have no clue. I bet the under... I get 5 goals in the first period. If I bet the over... I get a 2-0 shutout. I'm sure there are patterns somewhere... but again... just don't have the knowledge in that area. I strictly stick with game spreads. I even try to stay away from ML's during football season. How many times have 1 point or 0.5 points clipped you in a game? I'd rather get +100 odds and take a spread than to risk +140 ML odds and take a ML. That's just my theory.

    Again... a lot of theories. I'm just saying... you need to know when to take a chance. Otherwise we're just wasting our time doing this.

    I had one more point... and I forgot it. Damn it. Damn phone calls.
    Not a big totals guy either. Occasionally throw a few out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAULYPOKER View Post
    If you are hitting below 55% on the -EV normal play,you are in the red,period dot end.........
    3rd grade math called and disagrees

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    I never focus on winning %.......


    I focus only on watching $$$$ numbers in my accounts swell to epic proportions..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAULYPOKER View Post
    I never focus on winning %.......


    I focus only on watching $$$$ numbers in my accounts swell to epic proportions..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAULYPOKER View Post
    I never focus on winning %.......


    I focus only on watching $$$$ numbers in my accounts swell to epic proportions..........
    But shouldn't you be focusing on hitting over 55% because if you're not hitting 55%, you're losing money. Period dot end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Kraken View Post
    But shouldn't you be focusing on hitting over 55% because if you're not hitting 55%, you're losing money. Period dot end.


    P.S. You cant tell he's clueless...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bubblebuttluv View Post
    Just bet football and you'll be fine, even if you have to pay up in juice. Here is a winner for you week 1: South Carolina to beat North Carolina at the moneyline at -400. They're trying to give this one to you, and that hardly ever happens.
    have some balls bruh lay the 10 points. South Carolina will be out to make a statement in that game!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Bear View Post
    have some balls bruh lay the 10 points. South Carolina will be out to make a statement in that game!
    I might throw a little on it

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    How bout a vid for the fam

    fukk wit me big timer

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    Collin Cowherd hits over 52% with his blazin 5

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    So far this preseason 8-7 +4565

    Taking shots still working out. Almost got pinched tonight. Sometimes you have to go all in.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMoneyShot View Post
    Hey Nino! What's up brother? EI wish a knew the first step in wagering totals. I have no clue. Maybe I win 30% on totals... football, baseball, hockey... it doesn't matter. Have no clue. I bet the under... I get 5 goals in the first period. If I bet the over... I get a 2-0 shutout. I'm sure there are patterns somewhere... but again... just don't have the knowledge in that area. I strictly stick with game spreads. I even try to stay away from ML's during football season. How many times have 1 point or 0.5 points clipped you in a game? I'd rather get +100 odds and take a spread than to risk +140 ML odds and take a ML. That's just my theory.

    Again... a lot of theories. I'm just saying... you need to know when to take a chance. Otherwise we're just wasting our time doing this.

    I had one more point... and I forgot it. Damn it. Damn phone calls.
    . Totals are better. Hamels. Is 8 17 under pitcher. Rays guy today is a 5 16 under pitcher. Kuroda under 10x in a row. Kershaw. Big under pitcher. But ml. Always. 200. Bovada. Had hamels at u8. 125. Dude had 16 unders b4 today and posted a 8. Ez.
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