[makaveli66]

when Lebron has 5-6 Rings, and matching Finals MVP Awards... and 6-7 League MVP Awards ...


i must assume that you are going to be talking about the 81 point game vs. the Toronto Raptors still?-

LEbRON is youngest to score 20,000 PTS... (beating Kobe's record)
he will ALSO be the youngest to 30,000.*

Not at all because it will always be 5 championships is better than 2. Bottom line. I don't see Lebron getting close to 5. Spurs should have won this won.

[ThaTopMoron]

some of us str8 up don't care who you think is better between the 2

MJ GOAT for all-time

[una13ombr]

Funny thing is this thread wouldn't even have a leg to stand on if Ray Allen doesn't hit that shot.. #heat nation dbag fans at their best

[Ratzz]

your whole argument is based on "what ifs" which doesn't make it a good argument at all. And to say Kobe was a mere role player that could have been filled by anyone scoring 10 points is absurd and stupid.. Think about what your saying..

hold on smartie pants.
i am going to post a new thread with Kobe's embarrassingly modest stats for the 2000, 2001, 2002 Finals..

WITH LINKS.

the dude is so overrated. you are just believing Kobe's OWN hype.

[ThaTopMoron]

hopefully Heat fans didn't leave game 7 early and miss the trophy presentation and everything... just to beat traffic

[Menses]

Kobe got 2 more without shaq.. terrible rebuttal dipshit.

Stern gave him the 5th ring.....i did not feel like I had to remind you of that...

[Menses]

Kobe scored 81 points in a single game

LEBRON has NOT..

we could do this all night..

Against the Raptors..........LOL........moot point

[Ratzz]

why do the Kobe people act like he won this ALL by HIMSELF?!!
he actually contributed quite modestly for most of this one (role player)


GAME 1

Shaquille O'Neal 43 Pts.*(21-31 FG) *
Kobe Bryant 14 pts. (6-13 FG)*


http://web.archive.org/web/200102101.../boxscore.html


GAME 2

Shaquille O'Neal 40 Pts.*(11-18 FG)
Kobe Bryant 2 pts. (1-3 FG)

http://web.archive.org/web/200102101.../boxscore.html


GAME 3

Shaquille O'Neal 33 Pts.*(15-24 FG)
Kobe Bryant 0 pts. (DNP)

http://web.archive.org/web/200102100.../boxscore.html



GAME 4

Shaquille O'Neal 36 Pts. (13-25 FG)
Kobe Bryant 28 pts. (14-27)

http://web.archive.org/web/200102100.../boxscore.html



GAME 5

Shaquille O'Neal 35 Pts. (17-27 FG)
Kobe Bryant 8 pts. (4-20 FG)*

http://web.archive.org/web/200102101.../boxscore.html



GAME 6

Shaquille O'Neal 41 Pts.*(19-32 FG)
Kobe Bryant 26 pts. (8-27 FG)

http://web.archive.org/web/200102100.../boxscore.html

SHAQUILLE O'NEAL*38 PTS*ppg.*(6 games)
Kobe Bryant* 13.3 Pts. ppg*(5 games) DNP game 3

you Kobe-girls really need to stop crediting Shaq's*
hard work and success to Kobe.

Those Rings HAPPEN.*with or without Kobe*on those teams.*
Somebody else steps in..*

i can do the others, but it is a waste of time.. the dude has been jacking up and missing tons of shots for two decades.*Kobe is the ALL-TIME NBA MISSED SHOTS LEADER.

Nobody has missed MORE FGs and NOBODY ever will touch that record.

[MoneyLineDawg]

Kobe is not in the top 5........MJ, Lebron, Bill Russel, Kareem Abdul Jabar, Hakeem, Magic Johnson, Oscar Robertson, Larry Bird, Wilt Chamberlain all better

[Ratzz]

this is exactly why Dwight Howard will NOT sign again with the Lakers..
because of Kobe's lack of camaraderie and leadership.

He's the BOSS alright.. he will let you know that all day..*
but not your mate. No brotherhood.*

[Ratzz]

kobe is not in the top 5........mj, lebron, bill russel, kareem abdul jabar, hakeem, magic johnson, oscar robertson, larry bird, wilt chamberlain all better

100% agreed.

[andyrocha90]

yall hit me up when Lebron wins a ring without 3 all stars and 4 role players

[MoneyLineDawg]

yall hit me up when Lebron wins a ring without 3 all stars and 4 role players

Lebron carried the fukk out of this team......Zero players on the Heat this postseason besides Lebron played like an all-star throughout

So dumb

[GamblerSpirit]

Stern gave him the 5th ring.....i did not feel like I had to remind you of that...

the fixed lakers-kings series didn't either?

[MoneyLineDawg]

100% agreed.

That's nothing against Kobe....I still have him around 10-12 and he was a dominant player in his own right, but he's not better than any of those players

[andyrocha90]

Lebron carried the fukk out of this team......Zero players on the Heat this postseason besides Lebron played like an all-star throughout

So dumb

lmao. this is not the cavs buddy.

You're forgetting Chalmers big games, three pointers. Miller big 3 pointers. Wade having big games. What you dont understand is that you can't defend a team that has too many weapons, if they just focus on lebron, then Shane Battier starts knocking down 3's and Chris Anderson gets the easy buckets down low. Lets see Lebron do it somewhere else, where he doesnt have a future hall of famer Ray Allen saving his ass, or back in the day Memphis star Mike Miller hitting some 3's. what a joke

[andyrocha90]

oh and lets not forget the outstanding flops this team does to get calls, and Chris Anderson not getting ejected in game 5. Pacers would have won that series. if Mr. Stern and his refs didnt rig shit. lmao and then Hibbert and George getting in early foul trouble in that last game. lmao. Lebron is a joke, if it wasnt for Stern trying to create a legacy for him

[MoneyLineDawg]

lmao. this is not the cavs buddy.

You're forgetting Chalmers big games, three pointers. Miller big 3 pointers. Wade having big games. What you dont understand is that you can't defend a team that has too many weapons, if they just focus on lebron, then Shane Battier starts knocking down 3's and Chris Anderson gets the easy buckets down low. Lets see Lebron do it somewhere else, where he doesnt have a future hall of famer Ray Allen saving his ass, or back in the day Memphis star Mike Miller hitting some 3's. what a joke

Newsflash: Any team that wins a championship has multiple all-stars and weapons 99% of the time

Kobe had the most dominant force in the NBA at the time in Shaq on his side for 3 of his titles

MJ had Pippen one of the best 50 players of all time, and Rodman for a few who is probably the best rebounder of all time

Lebron was the only consistent guy you could count on and carried this team and that is a fact

[Ratzz]

That's nothing against Kobe....I still have him around 10-12 and he was a dominant player in his own right, but he's not better than any of those players

once again, 100% agreed.
Kobe is a basketball genius, but he is just too selfish an individual,
to be one of the "true greats", or Top 10 Ever.

His nature is his undoing, his legacy would have been MuCH greater is he did not need to rule so much.*
Who the hell chases Shaquille O'neal OUT of Town?!?!.. and PHIL JACKSON?!!?
(for being critical of him)

if he sits pat after 2002, and does not chase away Shaq, he wins another 3 Rings..*and has 7-8 now. More than Jordan.

Kobe ego big problem, especially for him.

[The Madcap]

Fact: Kobe Bryant's career field goal percentage is less than that of Lebron James.

Fact: Kobe Bryant's career three point percentage is less than that of Lebron James.

Fact: Kobe Bryant's career rebounding average is less than that of Lebron James.

Fact: Kobe Bryant's career assist average is less than that of Lebron James.

Fact: Kobe Bryant's career steals average is less than that of Lebron James.

Fact: Kobe Bryant's career blocks average is less than that of Lebron James.

Fact: Kobe Bryant has never shot better than 50% from the floor in a single season. Lebron James has done it four years straight.

By any standard statistical measure (other than FT%) LeBron is the better player.




"Five to two" someone will say.



FACT: By age 28 Kobe Bryant had won three NBA Championship rings. Lebron James two.
FACT: By age 28 Kobe Bryant had won ZERO Finals MVP awards. Lebron James two.
FACT: By age 28 Kobe Bryant had won ZERO League MVP awards. Lebron James FOUR.

FACT: Kobe Bryant never led the league in Win Shares. Not one damn season. Lebron James has done it five years running.
FACT: Kobe Bryant led the NBA in playoff win shares one time, Lebron James has now done it five times.



FACT: Kobe Bryant has won 5 NBA titles. He has played in 220 playoff games.
FACT: Kobe Bryant has fewer career playoff win shares than Lebron James.

Read that again.

Despite Kobe having won three more titles, and despite Kobe having played in almost a hundred more career playoff games, Lebron James owns more playoff win shares.

What does that tell us?

Exactly what you'd think it does.

Kobe Bryant is a champion. He also won three of those championships playing with the greatest big man of his generation (Shaq, who not so coincidentally, was Finals MVP for all three of those titles) and the other two championships he only won with the support of the league's best all around center at the time (Gasol).


Lebron meanwhile, has won two titles carrying Chris Bosh.

I saw Jordan in his prime.
I saw Kobe in his prime.
LeBron James' greatness as a player is far more closer to Jordan's at this point than Kobe's.

Take away Shaq and Pau, and Kobe Bryant is Allen Iverson.


http://www.basketball-reference.com/...er_career.html

[onlooker]

Funny thing is this thread wouldn't even have a leg to stand on if Ray Allen doesn't hit that shot.. #heat nation dbag fans at their best

How many times did Derek Fisher bail out your beloved Kobe?

[The Madcap]

How many times did Derek Fisher bail out your beloved Kobe?

And don't forget Robert Horry.

But to be fair,

Lebron got an awful lot of help from Shane Battier tonight. (And against OKC last year).

[MoneyLineDawg]

once again, 100% agreed.
Kobe is a basketball genius, but he is just too selfish an individual,
to be one of the "true greats", or Top 10 Ever.

His nature is his undoing, his legacy would have been MuCH greater is he did not need to rule so much.*
Who the hell chases Shaquille O'neal OUT of Town?!?!.. and PHIL JACKSON?!!?
(for being critical of him)

if he sits pat after 2002, and does not chase away Shaq, he wins another 3 Rings..*and has 7-8 now. More than Jordan.

Kobe ego big problem, especially for him.

Agreed.....Kobe's ego/selfishness is the main reason why he could never be considered in the conversation for greatest ever......But his ego also probably helped him get to where he is in a positive way.....

[MoneyLineDawg]

And don't forget Robert Horry.

But to be fair,

Lebron got an awful lot of help from Shane Battier tonight. (And against OKC last year).

Any superstar that wins a title is always going to have alot of help from someone.....No one can do it literally all by themselves and win a title

Lebron played great when it counted once again and that's all you can really ask when you win a championship along the way

[onlooker]

And don't forget Robert Horry.

But to be fair,

Lebron got an awful lot of help from Shane Battier tonight. (And against OKC last year).

I was just countering his Ray Ray save, with a Fisher save. I'll pick the one against the Spurs.

But of course Lebron couldn't do all the scoring, the others have to contribute. Hell Bosh got 0 tonight.

Lebron tried by himself in 2007, and he got swept by the Spurs.

[The Madcap]

Any superstar that wins a title is always going to have alot of help from someone.....No one can do it literally all by themselves and win a title

Lebron played great when it counted once again and that's all you can really ask when you win a championship along the way

of course.

Just trying to be fair.

[Ratzz]

Fact: Kobe Bryant's career field goal percentage is less than that of Lebron James.
(above abbreviated)

What does that tell us?

Exactly what you'd think it does.

Kobe Bryant is a champion. He also won three of those championships playing with the greatest big man of his generation (Shaq, who not so coincidentally, was Finals MVP for all three of those titles) and the other two championships he only won with the support of the league's best all around center at the time (Gasol).

Take away Shaq and Pau, and Kobe Bryant is Allen Iverson.


http://www.basketball-reference.com/...er_career.html

brilliant! well said.

[The Madcap]

Lebron tried by himself in 2007, and he got swept by the Spurs.

Well yeah. That's what happens when you show up and the other team's second and third best players are Tony Parker and Manu Ginobli and yours are Larry Hughes and Drew Gooden.

[Fed_42420]

Pretty sure that was official when LeBron was in highschool

[oldscho0led]

Frostno, trolling at its best

[TheMLBKing]

Best post you're gonna see all night. Said it for years.

LOL @ this idiot knicks fan, exposed for what he is...an idiot knicks fan. Stay salty. LeBron will win more rings in the next 3 years than Melo will see conference finals appearances.

[freeVICK]

Pretty scary. Lebron could very easily win the next 5 years. Sucks to be KD

[Ratzz]

Funny thing is this thread wouldn't even have a leg to stand on if Ray Allen doesn't hit that shot.. #heat nation dbag fans at their best

Lebron never played in a Finals where a teammate of his averaged 3X what he did.

2000 NBA Finals

Shaq 38.0 ppg
Kobe 13.3 ppg

you should change your avatar: maybe this

[Ratzz]

Pretty scary. Lebron could very easily win the next 5 years. Sucks to be KD

i hope KD gets in there for at least two... i like him..

good man, great player

[una13ombr]

Zero respect for Kobe simply because you hate him.. its apparent. Taking away his rings due to this and that, you are a complete biased dipshit. Battier saved brons ass just like ray allen did. These arguments could go in circles forever to be honest

#heatnation are blind idiots that just started watching basketball 3 years ago