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    Washington starter Nate Karns

    Across the board outstanding minor league numbers.

    Minors Pitching



    Year Age Tm Lg Lev Aff W L W-L% ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF WHIP H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB
    2011 23 2 Teams 2 Lgs A--Rk WSN 3 2 .600 2.28 13 13 0 0 0 0 55.1 29 14 14 1 33 0 59 6 0 10 224 1.120 4.7 0.2 5.4 9.6 1.79
    2011 23 Nationals GULF Rk WSN 0 0 0.00 5 5 0 0 0 0 18.2 2 0 0 0 6 0 26 2 0 3 65 0.429 1.0 0.0 2.9 12.5 4.33
    2011 23 Auburn NYPL A- WSN 3 2 .600 3.44 8 8 0 0 0 0 36.2 27 14 14 1 27 0 33 4 0 7 159 1.473 6.6 0.2 6.6 8.1 1.22
    2012 24 2 Teams 2 Lgs A+-A WSN 11 4 .733 2.17 24 18 5 2 0 2 116.0 70 34 28 2 47 0 148 7 0 9 457 1.009 5.4 0.2 3.6 11.5 3.15
    2012 24 Hagerstown SALL A WSN 3 0 1.000 2.03 11 5 5 1 0 2 44.1 23 11 10 1 21 0 61 3 0 5 179 0.992 4.7 0.2 4.3 12.4 2.90
    2012 24 Potomac CARL A+ WSN 8 4 .667 2.26 13 13 0 1 0 0 71.2 47 23 18 1 26 0 87 4 0 4 278 1.019 5.9 0.1 3.3 10.9 3.35
    2013 25 Harrisburg EL AA WSN 4 2 .667 4.60 9 9 0 1 0 0 45.0 41 27 23 5 18 0 55 2 0 2 194 1.311 8.2 1.0 3.6 11.0 3.06
    3 Seasons 18 8 .692 2.70 46 40 5 3 0 2 216.1 140 75 65 8 98 0 262 15 0 21 875 1.100 5.8 0.3 4.1 10.9 2.67


    18-8 record, 11 K's per 9, 1.10 WH/IP 2.70 ERA almaost 3:1 K/BB ratio. Attention grabber.

    However these are low and mid level minor league numbers. Stepping up not one, but two tiers.



    Scouting Report: Nate Karns (RHP)

    Posted on 14 March 2013by Mark A.

    BLUF: Burly right-hander finally has health and two plus pitches that should get him to MLB.

    The Player: Nate Karns (RHP, Washington Nationals) – Karns was a 12th round pick in 2009 and signed for $225,000 after performing well in the summer. He missed the rest of that season and all of 2010 after having surgery to repair a torn labrum, and then came back with a solid showing in 56 innings across two levels in 2011. Sent to Low-A Hagerstown to start 2012, Karns posted a 2.03 ERA in 44 innings, walking 21 batters and striking out another 61 hitters. He was quickly promoted to High-A where he made 13 starts for Potomac and finished the year with a 2.26 ERA and better than a strikeout per inning.

    Basis of Report: Compilation – Personal Observation (NYPL 2011), Industry Contacts

    Scouting Report
    Body (6-5, 230): Burly, physical righty w/ plenty of strength and power in his frame. Pretty well maxed out and not much room for physical gains at this point.

    Delivery/Mechanics: Lacks the loose, easy delivery you like to see with starters but has toned things down since his collegiate days. Maintains balance through the windup and has good extension. Lacks serious arm quickness and arm can lag at times, forcing him to lose his line to the plate and his timing to be off. Mechanics may work better in short bursts but have a chance to work as a starter. Will have to prove it.

    Fastball (FB) Velocity (Wind-up): High – 96, Low – 90, Average 92-93, Grade –60/60

    Fastball (FB) Velocity (Stretch): High – 95, Low 91, Average 92-93, Grade – 60/60

    Fastball (FB) Movement: Might as well be throwing a bowling ball. Very heavy pitch with good sink that is accentuated by a steep angle from his large frame and long arms. Four-seam shows life, allowing him to pitch up when he wants to, but will flatten out when he overthrows. Overall plus movement that is difficult to barrel. Grade – 60/60
    Overall Fastball: Easy plus pitch. Combination of velocity, movement and leverage make the pitch difficult for hitters to handle. Lack of command can hold pitch back at times but has overcome that thus far. Very little FB projection remaining. Grade – 60/60

    Curveball (CB): Potential put-away pitch. Arguably his best pitch right now and going forward. Tight spin and hard, overhand break. Pitch falls off the table when on. Really good downer CB that can miss bats. Lacks consistent ability to throw for strikes but works well as a chase pitch. Needs to get a little finer with it to help it play at max level. Above-average present grade is easy and plus isn’t out of the question. Should be plus long term. Grade – 50/60

    Change-up (CH): Well below-average pitch that needs a lot of work. Lacks feel. Often too firm and when he tries to soften it, the arm action and overall delivery of the pitch becomes deliberate and gives it away. Needs a lot of work and is tough to project much improvement. Not a believer. Grade – 30/30

    Control: Struggles to throw strikes at times. With mechanical improvements, control has evolved to below-average level. In ability to keep his arm up with the lower half causes him to miss up a lot. Needs to pitch down for FB and CB to have maximum effectiveness. Potential for average control if he can continue to make strides with delivery and consistent release point and line. Needs innings to refine delivery and should start to get those in 2012. Grade – 40/50

    Command: Difficult to project command improvements beyond below-average level. More of a thrower than a pitcher and the target right now is to throw strikes, not necessarily quality strikes. Well below-average command at present, likely below-average long term. May hold him back from long term starter profile. Grade – 30/40

    Summation: Fastball-curveball combination could play extremely well at the big league level. Both are plus pitches in the end. FB is already there and CB isn’t far behind. Needs to gain feel for throwing CB with multiple effects, including finishing it in the zone and as a chase pitch. Higher levels will test ability to mix FB and CB to maximum extent. Change-up is not reliable at present and the current lack of feel makes positive projection difficult. Likely to always be a below-average pitch that may not even reach “show-me” status. Control and command lag behind, partly because of missed innings and partly because of delivery/mechanics. CH and control/command profile make me hedge on starter profile. Could succeed as a #4 on the back of the FB-CB combo, or could move to late-inning relief role where the lack of a third pitch and marginal C&C can work. Big league profile isn’t in question, just a matter of the role.

    Relative Risk: High. Advanced age given his professional track record, combined with injury history and a lack of experience at the higher levels, leaves him with elevated risk. A significant amount of risk could be mitigated this season with a strong showing.

    Future: The Nationals will tests Karns at the Double-A and possibly Triple-A levels in 2013. The stuff should play, though possibly not at the dominating levels it showed at in A-ball. Has the physical frame and two plus pitches to succeed as an inning-eating rotation option. Fallback is the late innings.
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    Books don't know what number to hang on this game yet, as it's been off the board overnight.

    Baltimore starts gas can Gausman, game is in Washington.

    Plus is if you want to back the kid, is Baltimore starts a crappy pitcher, minus is Orioles are stacked with experienced hitters, (Jones, Markakis, Davis, Wieters, Hardy, etc. etc.) that know what to do with a heater that doesn't move.

    I'm curious as to see what the kid has tonight.

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    Im probably going to back Baltimore here...that or no play

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    Quote Originally Posted by RavensFan2k3 View Post
    Im probably going to back Baltimore here...that or no play
    If the price is right, yes, me as well.

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    I have around 60 bets on tomorrow none of which are on this game too unpredictable thank you for the right up Nash

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussiefalconfan View Post
    I have around 60 bets on tomorrow none of which are on this game too unpredictable thank you for the right up Nash
    Not a problem.
    I break down each an every game for 90 minutes or so every morning, capping baseball is more than a hobby to me, I came to his game and I said "who is this kid?" I remember reading a blurb or two about him last year in Baseball America, he's not touted like a Wheeler or Harvey for instance.

    The kid by all reports has very good stuff, but he's 25 almost 26 years old and we are just hearing about him now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    Not a problem.
    I break down each an every game for 90 minutes or so every morning, capping baseball is more than a hobby to me, I came to his game and I said "who is this kid?" I remember reading a blurb or two about him last year in Baseball America, he's not touted like a Wheeler or Harvey for instance.

    The kid by all reports has very good stuff, but he's 25 almost 26 years old and we are just hearing about him now?
    Hopefully Gausman gets his shit together, as he should, and this Karns kid gets rocked

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    Wash at -120

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    good stuff nasher..

    cards gonna start their prize horse (yes we have more ) michael wacha on thu, pretty excited as of all the young studs cards been bringing up he be all accounts is the best of the bunch and been tearing up triple a..only shitty thing is he will be on like 9 days rest i believe..

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    Not a problem.
    I break down each an every game for 90 minutes or so every morning, capping baseball is more than a hobby to me, I came to his game and I said "who is this kid?" I remember reading a blurb or two about him last year in Baseball America, he's not touted like a Wheeler or Harvey for instance.

    The kid by all reports has very good stuff, but he's 25 almost 26 years old and we are just hearing about him now?

    Lot of late up and comers in MLB these days though. I'm laying a little bet on the Nats today. If it weren't for the Royals 10 game losing streak I'm fading, the Nats would be my play of the day easily. Great home value. -105 currently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    Books don't know what number to hang on this game yet, as it's been off the board overnight.

    Baltimore starts gas can Gausman, game is in Washington.

    Plus is if you want to back the kid, is Baltimore starts a crappy pitcher, minus is Orioles are stacked with experienced hitters, (Jones, Markakis, Davis, Wieters, Hardy, etc. etc.) that know what to do with a heater that doesn't move.

    I'm curious as to see what the kid has tonight.
    Gausman is not a crappy pitcher lol. He's better than this Karns kid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by midnighthour12 View Post
    Gausman is not a crappy pitcher lol. He's better than this Karns kid.
    Exactly

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    The key tonight for Gausman will definitely be location. If he struggles to throw his offspeed pitches for strikes and gets in hitters counts, then the Nats hitters will just start sitting on his 97mph heater and rock him.

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    Karns has not demonstrated the command required at this level, shows a BABIP 60 points higher against lefties. Probably walk 3+ and give up a ding to Wieters, Davis or Markakis.

    Gausman did not pitch poorly against TO. Shows command but struggled 2nd time through. Left a few balls over the plate. Tough place to start your career in the Rogers. I watched the game and he did not look out of place.

    If you are inclined to wager on this I would think the pitcher who has exhibited better command over his career would be the play.

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    Just throw these 2 pitchers out and, if you're going to play this game, take the clearly better offensive team. Home field doesn't mean much here.

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    Gausman had a nice minor league career, yes, but didn't the Jays torch him last week?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    Gausman had a nice minor league career, yes, but didn't the Jays torch him last week?
    Nasher you know that facing the Blue Jays on turf is a completely different story than facing the Harper-less Nats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    Gausman had a nice minor league career, yes, but didn't the Jays torch him last week?
    He played well then had one bad inning...he shoulda been outta there by then anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by NittanyLionsFan View Post
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    Gausman has better stats in AA than Karn pretty easily. He was going pretty well against Toronto but gave up a two out two run shot.

    If Karn has control issues be better hope he can keep the ball in the park, the O's hit the ball a long way and he's given up a few (only 5 in 45 IP in AA isn't bad but not comforting either).

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    Nats lineup is about as non-threatening as it gets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tatddy View Post
    Nasher you know that facing the Blue Jays on turf is a completely different story than facing the Harper-less Nats.
    I do indeed.
    Game is pretty much a man to man pick 'em.
    I'll sit it out, I will keep an eye on this game while watching Kuroda v. Harvey

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    I like orioles in this one. I think this kid will have a huge pitch count by the 5th inning and be tagged for at least 3-4 runs. Good info Nash. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    Gausman had a nice minor league career, yes, but didn't the Jays torch him last week?
    1st game jitters I think. From everything I know about Gausman he is suppose to be pretty legit. There was good article on fangraphs last week on him and read some other local paper type stuff on him also

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    Quote Originally Posted by BennyBigNuts View Post


    Lot of late up and comers in MLB these days though. I'm laying a little bet on the Nats today. If it weren't for the Royals 10 game losing streak I'm fading, the Nats would be my play of the day easily. Great home value. -105 currently.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfman14 View Post
    I like orioles in this one. I think this kid will have a huge pitch count by the 5th inning and be tagged for at least 3-4 runs. Good info Nash. Thanks.


    FREE MONEY. Look at that combo. Me on the Nats and the biggest scumbag on SBR on the Orioles. Ya'll missed out if you didn't see this lol. Doesn't get any easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EASports View Post
    Nats lineup is about as non-threatening as it gets.
    Thats what I thought smh

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