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    Liu Changchun
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    Phill Brear corruption and Bet365 cheating(conclusive evidence )

    I expose that there are serious cheatings at online casino BET365 and what’s worse, this kind of cheating proceeds under the shield of GRA gambling commissioner. What I say has never been exaggerated and I can provide conclusive evidence to every single sentence I said. My statement about the process of this case is as followed: I opened an account and began to bet at BET365 in October,2007. I accidentally found out that the game at BET365 is not random at all and the result can be changed at will by the person while I played the poker game Black Jack.

    Here is the phot.
    At that moment, I was thinking whether I should hit the third card, but the card of the dealer and the result has already been displayed on the software. I took pictures of this scene immediately.

    Here is another photo.

    It is the key to the problem. The dealer followed the instruction to deal a diamond 9 to me after I pressed the button. Then, the dealer asked me if I continued to hit another card with gestures, and I pressed the “stop” button. Everything was fine after that and the dealer was unaware of any problem.


    This live video game is a kind of game which should be interactive and the operation of the player at client server should be synchronous with the server at casino. Video transmission is not synchronized sometimes, but the player can never give his directions on that occasion. These two pictures clearly show the two interactive steps between the dealer and me: I pressed the button, she dealt the third card to me and then I pressed the “stop” button. The result should come out after these two steps, but what I came across was totally on the contrary. The result and the cards of the dealer had been arranged early. At that time, nobody knew how many cards I would hit, but it seemed it had nothing to do with the result. As a result, I think the cards without scanning can be known in advance and the result can be changed completely at BET365.

    I got in touch with the management of the casino to require plausible explanations right after the incident. At first, the management said the photo was not clear enough and then changed their tone, stopped questioning the authenticity and definition of the pictures and claimed that the photos had been sent to related departments after I put forward the suggestion that we can check the original video. I had to wait for the result. One day later, BET365 claimed that it was the video transmission delay that caused me to see the cards of the dealer and the result before the scanning of the cards. There was no way for me accept those lies and I pointed out that I had two interactive steps with the dealer and even one single step couldn’t be finished without synchronization. I continued to require the management to explain this reasonably. One day later, the management of BET365 told me after one more test, the result remained the same. I felt angry and restated all the details of the process and the evidence, but they told me it was the only explanation. I had no other options but filed the complaint to the superior management.

    After these unsuccessful challenges, I turned to file the complaint to IBAS on 21 December 2007. IBAS rendered their opinion on 11 February 2008, taking the position that the incident was the one which should not happen, due to the lapsed time, they could not get the game log of that day to see what exactly happened, but they haven’t known other similar incidents before and could not imagine it was designed on purpose. This lie has been exposed, GRA declared the original video data should be preserved for 3 months. IBAS also said that the prior disclosure of the dealer's total points were more to the advantage of the players. They sent this ruling by mail to me without notifying me through email. I contacted IBAS for decision and obtained the electronic version on 18 February 2008. The original was received on 28 February 2008. I did not accept this opinion and there were several communications afterwards. At last IBAS refused to further take care of my complaint, stating that they were not arbitration service but an adjudication service, rendering a fair opinion.

    After two failures, I turned to looking help from the superior management and I thought at least the government organization was fairer than those private companies. However, the behavior of the gambling commissioner Mr. Phill Brear was more like a lame lawyer who was hired by the BET365. During this time, I received two adjudications from him. The first one was all about a pile of nonsense and the copy of the explanation from BET365. That was the result of their investment as long as four months. I wrote to him to protest it and Mr. Brear told me he would investigate it again and I had to wait for the result for 15 days. After half a month, the second adjudication demonstrated the corruption of Mr. Brear. In this adjudication, he added there was one missing data packet and claimed that what I saw on the screen was caused by a comprehensive mistake. I didn’t even know what the missing packet was until now for the picture on the screen was complete just the result was shown in advance. The most funny thing was that he told me the reason why the BET365 company destructed the original evidence was the customer service of BET365 supposed I accepted their explanation and destructed the evidence. All of these happened after I told Mr. Brear the explanation of BET365 was nonsense and warned I would take legal actions.(I had already sent all the emails between me and BET365 to Mr. Brear, so there would be no way for him to misunderstand what I said.) I sent email to him again to question the adjudication, but he told me my complaint procedures were over and he couldn’t help me any longer. Although I sent emails to question him once again, I got no reply.

    It was the whole process and it shouldn’t be a very complex case about cheating. I am sure the reason why Mr. Brear took bribes was the case was so easy to judge and it didn’t need too much professional knowledge, let alone the sharp insight and the power of judgment. The only thing we need here was a kind and fair heart. Mr. Phill Brear once used to be the chief of the police and had various kinds of abilities, but he only lack the kind and fair heart.


    Thank you,

    Liu Changchun
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    very hard to understand your china-english

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    Interesting read.

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    BTW...in the future just press "Ctrl+Prt Sc" and paste to MS Paint. No need for a camera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InTheHole View Post
    BTW...in the future just press "Ctrl+Prt Sc" and paste to MS Paint. No need for a camera.
    Thank

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    fukin scary shit, makes me ill reading this

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    Interesting that the footage was missing on a session that was being seriously challenged. As a company, I would have kept it past the "required time" (if everything was on the up and up_.

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    love that lie, like disk space is SO expensive they had to delete it

    but yahoo can let you have as much space for email for free

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    Quote Originally Posted by wtf View Post
    fukin scary shit, makes me ill reading this
    Why it makes you ill?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxdjstriderxx View Post
    very hard to understand your china-english
    I have no problem understanding it, what's your problem?

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    Mr.Liu,

    I have read your case about cover up by Mr.Phill Brear and BET365 with great interest, your complain seems to have a merit and strong evidence against this two parties engaged in cover up.
    If it's not private, how much $$$ you think you have lost because of BET365 treated you unfairly, what resolution would satisfy you?
    I know what it is Random Number Generator and for those interested how it works, please see the examples here http://www.random.org/
    RNG and other kind of software based on this principles is considered to be fair, the problem lies clearly with online casino's use of it and offshore jurisdictions who have, but fail, to oversee it.
    I read that in UK any casino to be regulated and licensed in UK, must provide it's software to regulator's for testing, also afterwards it is obliged to keep this software and access, only with the gambling regulator and software is operated only from inland regulator's servers center, where gaming company doesn't even have an access to it.
    That's why I believe your case, the software at BET365 is not stored inland, it's stored offshore and BET365 is also offshore licensed company. I think the amount you lost is considerable and you played for a very long time same Black Jack game, to spot this irregularity.
    SBR will not help you even if they will try, the answers you got from BET365 and Mr. Phill Brear are final and it's called cover up, scam, fraud because clearly there was no will from GRA Gibraltar Regulatory Authority to help you, I think such complaints as yours are coming there daily and GRA just reads it, and then replies using the same language from Copy&Paste form.
    All you have to prove in this case is that BET365 have a possibility at any moment to intervene into software's performance, if this is the case, then it's clear that you was defrauded by BET365 and the fact that GRA and it's head Mr. Phill Brear knows that BET365 can intervene in the game during the time player is online, will work very much in your favour.
    Gibraltar casino's can't be trusted no more and all online casino's that operate from offshore jurisdictions, are not worth even $1 spent.
    That's why I can only suggest to bet offshore only on sport games, but even this is not 100% sure, what can be seen from the latest threads by players who didn't receive payment after winning money.
    To me all of it stinks like old fish or dead cat meat, I will never play in any online offshore casino, even rated A by SBR, but I will bet on sports only very small amounts (small to me is up to $3000) and if I will be cheated too, well, then I am another victim of this scams.
    If BET365, JETBULL, BWIN and many other online bookies cheat or are suspected of not paying it's customers on time or at all, what can be said about some smal offshore website?
    Thank you for this thread, it raises red flags on BET365, GRA Gibraltar Regulatory Authority and Mr. Phill Brear involvement into very questionable and probably fraudulent practices.

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    Ive said it before and I say it again - B & M is the o n l y way to go...
    Really they should be behind bars.

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    BET365 are definately scammers that will interfere with your gaming & betting if you know what you are doing.
    Really sad bunch of people that couldnt care less to put it mildly about whats right or wrong.All these Sportsbooks
    and so called online casinos are pure frauds.Brick & mortar are TRULY the ONLY way to go.
    I know we all love the concept of sitting right at home making our bets and money but its just not possible
    with these greedy,cheating and unscrupulous clowns behind the rudder.More and more players are
    beginning to realize whats really going on.
    The fact is that you can n e v e r be sure when betting online and how fun is that...
    Brick & Mortar...
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    I still have no clue what happened because all your pictures are in Chinese and your English needs a lot of work a lot of run-on sentences, and something about their software lagging and you having an advantage of seeing the dealer's card before the outcome was dealt or something. Anyway who cares, I'm sorry to say but you're all idiots and FOOLS how could you ever trust ONLINE SOFTWARE to be fair "card-dealing poker software"????? Are you seriously mentally handicapped? I'm just wondering because by the way you speak and carry yourself you seem to be a smart individual. Have you not been in the industry long enough to realize you CANNOT play a fair game of online poker?? Hello!!!!! This is the INTERNET and SOFTWARE can be MANIPULATED in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM DESIRED BY MANAGEMENT. Do you think after taking all the hits they do in sportsbetting they are going to set-up their software so that players can win even more money in the casino?? Absolutely not, you know how you see those threads about people hitting crazy 13-team parlays and winning $150,000? Do you ever see those about hitting the jackpot in an online casino? NO because they are manufactured to make you lose all your money. I'm sorry to say but if you were stupid enough to trust any online poker "software" and not a dealer right in front of you with a deck of cards then you deserve to lose your money.

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    i got an idea

    dont fukin play cards against a gdamn computer

    you are going to fuking lose

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    For those looking for more recent posts. Bet365 is a scam. If you don't believe me, try and do a withdrawal. You will not get paid, and those who come to the defense of this sportsbook probably works for the sportsbook. Do yourself a favor, RUN the other way.

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    Bet365 paid me $1500 3 months ago after an initial $200 deposit. I played with them for 3 weeks and left ASAP due to their bullshit live betting option and shitty lines. But anything between a $1000-$5000 withdrawal they should pay.

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    How much verification did you have to submit to get paid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanuckG View Post
    Bet365 paid me $1500 3 months ago after an initial $200 deposit. I played with them for 3 weeks and left ASAP due to their bullshit live betting option and shitty lines. But anything between a $1000-$5000 withdrawal they should pay.
    What do you mean by "their bullshit live betting option"? I use them and I have never seen any other site with so many live-betting offers, even for american sports...

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    rather see the dealers ass then cards

    as far as online casinos and real ones. once they get to know you , you better be careful. if u are a game winner.

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    I get payed about 4K 2 months ago,for verification i just get call from them and need to give them details from my passport and that's all.
    Only thing i hate about them is that they cheat at live betting,every time if you place bet and at that time point finish if odds go lower than your than bet ll be declined but if odds go higher bet ll be accepted at original odds,its not fair!!

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