[seaborneq]

Can there be co champs or do they find some tiebreakers to make sure there is only one champion. Specifically in the big east and big 10

[seaborneq]

Can anyone answer this question for me?

[Chi_archie]

they don't use head to head for that?

its not a huge deal since they have the tourney too, so maybe the DO have a co champ. but for seeding purposes for the conf tourney I would think they would have tie breaks for that.

I honestly don't recall

[seaborneq]

Google didn't help me worth a damn.

[Chi_archie]

from the opening line from this article http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports...586_story.html

it appears there can be a tie/co champs

A victory over Villanova on Wednesday would guarantee Georgetown at least a share of the Big East regular season title,

[seaborneq]

from the opening line from this article http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports...586_story.html

it appears there can be a tie/co champs

A victory over Villanova on Wednesday would guarantee Georgetown at least a share of the Big East regular season title,

Thanks chi. I have wagers on Louisville and Ohio state to win their respective conferences and I wanted to see if I still had a chance with both teams being second place.

[rm18]

whoever gets the #1 seed in the tourney though dont know exactly for that

[seaborneq]

Sadly I only care for gambling purposes.

[LT Profits]

Can there be co champs or do they find some tiebreakers to make sure there is only one champion. Specifically in the big east and big 10

For gambling purposes, tiebreaker is higher seed in conference tournament.

[Chi_archie]

For gambling purposes, tiebreaker is higher seed in conference tournament.

Well that can't BE the tiebreaker. Something must break the tie in order to award the higher seeding. And I don't think it matters as there can be co champs and for Seabornes question that us what matters

[Chi_archie]

in many recent years it was shared

http://www.rauzulusstreet.com/basket...eastchamps.htm

in previous years they had two separate divisions (EAST/WEST) and before that (Big East 7/Big East 6)

[LT Profits]

Well that can't BE the tiebreaker. Something must break the tie in order to award the higher seeding. And I don't think it matters as there can be co champs and for Seabornes question that us what matters

But it IS. How the seeding process is determined may vary by conference, but whoever is deemed the higher seed is the winner for betting purposes regardless of the means.

[LT Profits]

Even when "shared", somebody had to be seeded higher in the tournament.

[LT Profits]

It's always best to check the rules of you particular book though. 5 Dimes had it written right on the lines page at the beginning of the year that higher conference tournament seeding breaks all ties.

[Chi_archie]

It's always best to check the rules of you particular book though. 5 Dimes had it written right on the lines page at the beginning of the year that higher conference tournament seeding breaks all ties.

but you are still putting the result ahead of the process

unless you answer how the seeding occurs then it doesn't answer the Original Question

[Chi_archie]

http://www.bigeast.org/portals/5/fls...iebreakers.pdf

Overall Conference record, at the conclusion of the regular season, is used to seed teams numbering 1 through
15. If an institution is ineligible for tournament competition, all tiebreaking procedures will be followed, then
the ineligible team will be removed from the tournament field and seeds will be adjusted accordingly in an
upward manner.
The following procedures are set up to establish seeding for the championship and to break ties. Follow the
appropriate steps in order.
TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURE FOR SEEDING
TWO-TEAM TIE
1. Regular season head-to-head results (one or two games).
If the tied teams split their two games, then proceed to Step 2 below.
2. Each team’s record vs. the team or tied teams occupying the highest position in the standings.
Continue down through the standings until one team gains an advantage. When comparing records
against a single team or collective tied teams (before ties are broken), the following may apply:
a. If the games played against the team or group are equal, winning percentage prevails.
b. If the games played against the team or group are unequal, the following scenarios apply:
i. Most wins do prevail only if the team with fewer wins could not equal that win total if
they played the same number of games. Two examples of many scenarios that do provide
an advantage:
1) Team A 2-0 2) Team A 3-0
Team B 0-1 Team B 1-1
ii. Most wins do not prevail if the team with fewer wins could equal or surpass the win total
of the other team. Two examples of many scenarios that do not provide an advantage:
1) Team A 1-1 2) Team A 2-0
Team B 0-1 Team B 1-0
iii. Fewer losses do not prevail if the teams have the same number of wins and if the team
with fewer games could equal or surpass the loss total of the other team. Two examples of
many scenarios that do not provide an advantage:
1) Team A 1-0 2) Team A 0-1
Team B 1-1 Team B 0-2

c. If an advantage is not determined, proceed to the next team or group in the standings for
comparison.
d. If the tie cannot be broken after continuing down through the last team or teams in the standings,
revert back to comparing records against the top teams in order and allow winning percentage to
prevail even if there is a comparison of unequal games. Only then, if the percentages are both
1.000, is 2-0 better than 1-0. However, the reverse is not true – no team gains advantage when all
have a .000 winning percentage (0-1 is never better than 0-2).

[LT Profits]

Big East is a Fawking headache!

MULTIPLE-TEAM TIE (3 or more teams)

1.
A) Teams are viewed as a “mini-conference” when comparing head-to-head results. The team with the
best record (as determined by winning percentage, even if unequal games) vs. the other teams in the miniconference
gains the advantage. If only two teams have the same best winning percentage in the miniconference,
the higher seed goes to the team winning the head-to-head series. If the two teams split their
two games, then proceed to Step 2 under Two-Way ties. To seed the remaining team(s) in this miniconference,
proceed to Paragraph B below. If three or more (but not all) teams have the same best winning
percentage in the original mini-conference, then those tied teams create a new mini-conference and follow
the same procedures as at the beginning of this paragraph. If all teams in the mini-conference have the
same mini-conference record, proceed to Step 2 below.

B) After the top team in a mini-conference is determined, the next team is ranked by its record in the
original mini-conference. If there are any remaining teams tied by their record in the mini-conference,
then head-to-head results will determine the higher seed. If the teams split two games, then proceed back
to the two-way tie breaking procedure. If there are at least three teams remaining tied by their record in
the mini-conference, they would then form a new mini-conference and follow the procedure again at the
beginning of Step 1 (Multiple-Team Tie).

2. Compare each team’s record vs. the team or group of tied teams occupying the highest position in the
standings. Continue down through the standings until one team gains an advantage. When comparing
records against a single team or collective tied teams (before ties are broken), the following may apply:
a. The games played against the team or group are equal, winning percentage prevails.
b. If the games played against the team or group are unequal, the following scenarios apply:
1) Most wins do prevail only if the team(s) with fewer wins could not equal that win total if they
played the same number of games. Two examples of many scenarios that do provide an advantage
1) Team A 2-0 2) Team A 3-1
Team B 1-1 Team B 1-2
Team C 0-1 Team C 1-2

2) Most wins do not prevail only if the team(s) with fewer wins could equal or surpass the win total
of the other team. Two examples of many scenarios that do not provide an advantage:
1) Team A 2-1 2) Team A 1-2
Team B 1-1 Team B 0-2
Team C 1-1 Team C 0-2

3) Fewer losses do not prevail if the team(s) have the same number of wins, but the team with fewer
games could equal or surpass the loss total of the other tied teams. Two examples of many scenarios
that do not provide an advantage:
1) Team A 2-0 2) Team A 0-2
Team B 2-1 Team B 0-3
Team C 2-1 Team C 0-3
If an advantage is not determined, proceed to the next team or group in the standings for comparison.

If the tie cannot be broken after continuing down through the last team or teams in the standings,
revert back to comparing records against the top teams in order and allow winning percentage to
prevail even if there is a comparison of unequal games. Only then, if the percentages are both 1.000,
than 2-0 is better than 1-0. However, the reverse is not true – no team gains advantage when all have a
.000 winning percentage (0-1 is never better than 0-2).
__________________

[LT Profits]

BIG TEN:
A. Two-team tie:

1. Results of head-to-head competition during the regular-season.

2. Each team's record vs. the team occupying the highest position in the final regular-season standings (or in the case of a tie for the championship, the next highest position in the regular-season standings), continuing down through the standings until one team gains an advantage.

a. When arriving at another pair of tied teams while comparing records, use each team's record against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to their own tie-breaking procedures), rather than the performance against the individual tied teams.

b. When comparing records against a single team or a group of teams, the higher winning percentage shall prevail, even if the number of games played against the team or group are unequal (i.e., 2-0 is better than 3-1, but 2-0 is not better than 1-0).

3. Won-loss percentage of all Division I opponents.

4. Coin toss conducted by the Commissioner or designee.

B. Multiple team tie:

1. Results of head-to-head competition during the regular-season. a. When comparing records against the tied teams, the team with the higher winning percentage shall prevail, even if the number of games played against the team or group are unequal (i.e., 2-0 is better than 3-1, but 2-0 is not better than 1-0).

b. After the top team among the tied teams is determined, the second team is ranked by its record among the original tied teams, not the head-to-head record vs. the remaining team(s).

2. If the remaining teams are still tied, then each tied team's record shall be compared to the team occupying the highest position in the final regular-season standings, continuing down through the standings until one team gains an advantage.

a. When arriving at another pair of tied teams while comparing records, use each team's record against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to their own tie-breaking procedures), rather than the performance against the individual tied teams.

b. When comparing records against a single team or group of teams, the higher winning percentage shall prevail, even if the number of games played against the team or group are unequal (i.e., 2-0 is better than 3-1, but 2-0 is not better than 1-0).

3. Won-loss percentage of Division I opponents.

4. Coin toss conducted by Commissioner or designee.

[seaborneq]

All of that information gave me a headache. It might be a 5 way tie in the big 10 if IU loses to Michigan. Georgetown is a dog tonight against Nova and the Cuse should give them all they can handle on saturday. But right now Louisville and Ohio State are in second place in their respective conferences, even though IU celebrated a share of the Big 10 last night after the loss to OSU.

[ChalkyDog]

Question was answered, co-champ, seeding in conference tourney gives you quick reference to the results o the specific conferences tiebreaker rules. If you need more than that - Google the actual rules.

BTW, this basketball season is epic.

[k13]

Coin-flip.

[DOM_Toretto]

You're looking good with Ohio state bet - they have a legit shot to be B1G co-champs.
In the Big Ten, if there is two teams tied for mot conf wins, then the tie breaker is head-to-head. But if there are more than 2 teams tied for first, they are all co-champs.
So, If Michigan beats Indiana, and OSU MSU WISY all win out their remaining 1 or 2 games each, then there could be a FIVE-WAY tie for Big Ten Champs lol. I have a prop bet that UM wont finish more than 2 spots above MSU & that is a win for me.

[LT Profits]

You're looking good with Ohio state bet - they have a legit shot to be B1G co-champs.
In the Big Ten, if there is two teams tied for mot conf wins, then the tie breaker is head-to-head. But if there are more than 2 teams tied for first, they are all co-champs.
So, If Michigan beats Indiana, and OSU MSU WISY all win out their remaining 1 or 2 games each, then there could be a FIVE-WAY tie for Big Ten Champs lol. I have a prop bet that UM wont finish more than 2 spots above MSU & that is a win for me.

But not for betting purposes. At least not at 5 Dimes which specifically states that seeding will break all ties. Sucks if it comes down to a coin flip, but it is what it is.

[k13]

Oh yeah, we lost a regular season High School City Championship on a "coin-flip".

So got awarded #2 seed in the playoffs instead and shit the bed in the 1st round to a live "dog".

[seaborneq]

Still confused, but Wisky is out of the running. Let's go Michigan.

[Mr. Doughnut]

Still confused, but Wisky is out of the running. Let's go Michigan.

Ohio State needed Wisky to win to have any shot at the #1 seed in the B1G. That bet of yours is done, sorry bud.

Here was the breakdown before the MSU/Wisky game

[LT Profits]

Ohio State needed Wisky to win to have any shot at the #1 seed in the B1G. That bet of yours is done, sorry bud.

Here was the breakdown before the MSU/Wisky game

So I take it Indiana has clinched the top seed with MSU winning? (Meaning for betting purposes at books with tiebreaker, Indiana is conference winner)

[seaborneq]

So Michigan beating Indiana means nothing?

[LT Profits]

So Michigan beating Indiana means nothing?

Doesn't look like it on that chart, everything starting with MSU win last night results in Indiana #1.

[seaborneq]

What a bummer way to lose that prop. Needing a wisky win over mich st to have chance.

[seaborneq]

Lolls like osu and Louisville will share the conference titles, but I win no money because of tiebreakers. Bummer.

[seaborneq]

Won nothing. On to the next one.