Originally Posted by
bettilimbroke999
Its not two different ppl but yes I am being slowly pulled to the socialized health care side bc I see no reason to deny medical services to someone just bc they are poor, it is shameful that helping the sick is only used as a way to fleece them in this country. I do not think pure greed and pure capitalism is a great plan, there has to be socialist aspects to any system for it to be reasonable, think about it without public education where would many of us be, without minimum wage, without social security and medicare and many other programs in place that are centered around the greater good of the nation. I am all for making a profit and capitalism but fuk where do you draw the line, I mean enslaving ppl and paying them nothing was prolly pretty profitable back in the day does that mean its a fair policy. Someone who breaks their leg and has the bone sticking out isnt going to turn down your services regardless of the price, you could say 10k or 500k, they're not in a position to negotiate and given the outrageous costs of health care we are all forced to have insurance which adds another greed aspect since clearly the insurance company is going to make additional profit on top of the skyrocketing health care costs.
Do I see a problem for the ultra-rich that paid the genius private doctors millions for treatment, yes I do, but who gives a fuk you or I were never going to see them anyway, if I need a kidney transplant Im not going to search the country over for the best specialist in the country bc my insurance would never pay for it, Im gonna take whatever run of the mill doc they throw at me and pray the sob hasnt been on a bender for the previous week and actually has some kind of success rate.
This is an interesting argument and yes my opinions do move in one direction or the other based on the arguments. I wouldnt be a good neocon I dont just believe whatever I want regardless of the facts, I actually consider new information. Am I willing to support raising taxes to start more pointless wars, no, am I willing to support raising taxes to help my fellow Americans when they have serious health problems but due to the ridiculous prices are unable to attain medical care, yes.
I dont even have a problem if a lil extra is taken out of paychecks in the same way medicare is taken out to help fund the program and if employers have to kick back a large sum (matching or more) separate of taxes to help fund it so be it, any decent employer should already fund a group health care plan anyway. Im not trying to starve the doctors and have them quit in disgust bc they had to help a poor person theyll still make a fortune its not like the govt doesn't pay reasonably well, I dont see the rocket scientists at NASA beggin for change.
If absolutely the only reason doctors become doctors in this country is to become filthy rich gouging their fellow Americans then perhaps ppl are having their eyes opened to the downsides of capitalism, that greed is not always good, sometimes humanity has to be placed above the almighty dollar.