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    So How Much are the A Rated Books Raking In

    I say Pinnicle 400million
    5dimes 250Million
    Bookmaker 600 Million
    Bet Jamaica 330 Million
    The Greek 500 Million
    Matchbook 660 Million
    Carib 250 Million
    Bet Phoenix 200 million
    Diamond 145 million
    Just Bet 130 Million

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    time frame would be useful, I'll assume you mean yearly

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    No way Matchbook is #1

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    I'd say some of the UK sites are the biggest, William Hill, Ladbrokes the joints that have live and online places to wager are probably making the most imo

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    The USA is quite frankly, missing the boat, by letting all this money escape.

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    that boat is half way around the world by now shortstop. Long gone, but would definitely still have a chance to grab some late money

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    These numbers are not even close, way way too high

    Your lucky with a pretty good book that they make 100-200k a year after expenses

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    These numbers are not even close, way way too high

    Your lucky with a pretty good book that they make 100-200k a year after expenses
    That's not much. Are employees included in the expenses?

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    UK/Irish Book Paddy Power made yearly profits of 76 million Euros

    As they limit me on a regular basis to stakes of Ģ5 or less I doubt if I contribute much to their earnings!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    These numbers are not even close, way way too high<br>
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    Your lucky with a pretty good book that they make 100-200k a year after expenses
    You gave a 100K to one of these books alone lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THEGREAT30 View Post
    No way Matchbook is #1
    but matchbook is nothing compared to betfair

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    These numbers are not even close, way way too high

    Your lucky with a pretty good book that they make 100-200k a year after expenses
    Interesting

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    The real question is how much does a book make per bet placed. Start with a nice round number like 1 dollar per wager placed(after expenses) and work you head around it. Its probably a question of who draws the most volume.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cigarist View Post
    but matchbook is nothing compared to betfair
    Right. For the exchanges, doubt Matchbook can carry Betfair's jock.

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    The expenses are cheaper in CR but you need lots of active customers to turn big numbers in profits and most books on the internet do not have lots of active customers. Of course some of the big boots do well but they are not raking in massive numbers because average customer also does not bet a lot maybe $15 per game or so.

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    If you took a zero off those numbers they would be a whole lot closer.

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    There is no way matchbook makes 66 million per year

    They are lucky to take in a cool million or so

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    as far as I'm concerned everyone in this thread has zero credibility. The person I'd be most willing to give it to is John.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tltaylor89 View Post
    I say Pinnicle 400million
    5dimes 250Million
    Bookmaker 600 Million
    Bet Jamaica 330 Million
    The Greek 500 Million
    Matchbook 660 Million
    Carib 250 Million
    Bet Phoenix 200 million
    Diamond 145 million
    Just Bet 130 Million

    Just a little perspective on how far off you are the Philadelphia Phillies are worth 500million, the Pitt Pirates 275 million, youve over priced them all by a ton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeFall View Post
    as far as I'm concerned everyone in this thread has zero credibility.
    This wins for stupidest comment of the month.

    You don't know any of us.

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    You're way, way off if you are implying that those books are netting $100m+ annually. Do you think each of those books are worth $500m to several billion(assuming a PE ratio of 5 to 10)?

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    I say Pinnicle 15million
    5dimes 5Million
    Bookmaker 20 Million
    Bet Jamaica 3.5 Million


    I think those type of numbers are probably closer.

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    Bookmaker 20, Pinny 15?
    You sure John? How many stupid people are out there?
    They have the occasional good opener, but thatīs it...i donīt know where to start, so iīll just say CRIS are greedy a$$holes

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    Pinny does not take players from the US anymore. If they did I would probably guess about 100. CRIS is not greedy but they run a totally different model. Not many could be Pinny and their were a lot that tried. CRIS/Bookmaker is an A+ rock that the industry needs. A lot players are more concerned about the financial quality of where they send their money versus less juice.

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    Really? i make 500-1000 a month booking bets and all i do is dump off the bet onto 5 dimes for -104 to -106 when i give a -110 line.

    and i only allow to win 100 max on str8 wagers and i only have 14 clients. vs a book that has 14 million clients id be making way more than a few mill

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    Your lucky if a place like Skybook makes $600,000

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    Last year, Nevada sports books won $136.4 million on nonhorse racing event bets, with 28 percent coming from football bets and 31.9 percent coming from basketball bets, control board figures show.

    I would say bookmaker does at least as well as the whole state of Nev. 5 dimes does about half of this. The Greek makes around 50 or so. Matchbook makes about 15 to 20 m. And pinnicle needs to say fu*@ the U.S and the uiega and come back to the U.S market and kill all of shit books.
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    I think most of the money they make are on Casino and Poker.I read some where that Ladbrokes make most of the money on Casino

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    Quote Originally Posted by UntilTheNDofTimE View Post
    Really? i make 500-1000 a month booking bets and all i do is dump off the bet onto 5 dimes for -104 to -106 when i give a -110 line.

    and i only allow to win 100 max on str8 wagers and i only have 14 clients. vs a book that has 14 million clients id be making way more than a few mill
    You could increase your income by another 30% with a Matchbook account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SBR_John View Post
    I say Pinnicle 15million
    5dimes 5Million
    Bookmaker 20 Million
    Bet Jamaica 3.5 Million


    I think those type of numbers are probably closer.
    lots numbers being thrown around, i think John is probably the closest, just reading his other threads he seems to know alot, does the betjm number include the greek? i would think greek makes more thank 5dimes

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    Quote Originally Posted by thespeculator View Post
    lots numbers being thrown around, i think John is probably the closest, just reading his other threads he seems to know alot, does the betjm number include the greek? i would think greek makes more thank 5dimes
    These numbers dont support the US markets

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    Quote Originally Posted by tltaylor89 View Post
    These numbers dont support the US markets
    Taylor, what exactly are you basing your projected numbers on?

    Random guesses?

    You can't possibly think the books you listed are bringing in 3.5 billion/year.

    No one can possibly think that.

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    a large book....say bookmaker/cris......after expenses would be lucky to clear a million

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    Quote Originally Posted by thespeculator View Post
    lots numbers being thrown around, i think John is probably the closest, just reading his other threads he seems to know alot, does the betjm number include the greek? i would think greek makes more thank 5dimes
    Right, my numbers for BetJam do not include TheGreek. Some guys you just dont comment on their numbers and TheGreek is one of those.

    Yes I would agree TheGreek is ahead of 5Dimes but its probably closer than some would think. 5Dimes has done a great job the last few years.

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    I could have swore I saw an article when pinnacle left the US that said they made $200million the year before

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