[ABEHONEST]

I felt we had to size this thread down .
Too many quarterbacks to choose from !
HERE'S MY TOP 3

1 MONTANA
2 UNITAS
3 GRIESE

MOST OVERRATED

1 MARINO
2 P.MANNING
3 NAMATH

[head_strong]

My Top 4
Jason Campbell
Mark Rypien
Doug Williams
Joe Theismann

Most Overrated
Tony Romo
Quincy Carter
Troy Aikman
Roger Staubach

[BobHarvey]

Top 3

Montana
Elway
Favre

Overrated

Namath
Starr
Brady

[MJFtheGenius]

My Top 4
Jason Campbell
Mark Rypien
Doug Williams
Joe Theismann

Most Overrated
Tony Romo
Quincy Carter
Troy Aikman
Roger Staubach

It is worse the fact you put Quincy Carter on that list

[MJFtheGenius]

TOP 3
Montana
Elway
Aikman

OVERRATED
Farve 2007-2009
Vick
Doug Williams

[SPECULATOR 13]

TOP 3 ALL TIME:
1] J. UNITAS
2] j. ElWAY
3] D.MARINO
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TOP 3 MOST OVERRATED OF ALL TIME:

1] MONTANA
2] BRADY
3]P.MANNING

[oiler]

TOP 3
Montana
Elway
Aikman

OVERRATED
Farve 2007-2009
Vick
Doug Williams

top3 1]montana2]elway3]fouts -OVERRATED1]vick.2]grossman3]orton

[ABEHONEST]

top 3 all time:
1] j. Unitas
2] j. Elway
3] d.marino
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top 3 most overrated of all time:

1] montana
2] brady
3]p.manning

montana ??

[hhsilver]

Top:

Baugh
Graham
Luckman

Over rated:

Namath
McMahon
McNabb

[yisman]

Otto Graham, Joe Montana, and Steve Young are in my top 3. Honorable mention to the great Sid Luckman.

Joe Namath is one of the most overrated. Add Brett Favre and Steve McNair and there's your three.

[DwightShrute]

TOP 3
Marino
Favre
Bradshaw

OVERRATED
Kosar
McNabb
Namath


Marino was the greatest QB to ever play the game. period

[ABEHONEST]

TOP 3 ALL TIME:
1] J. UNITAS
2] j. ElWAY
3] D.MARINO
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TOP 3 MOST OVERRATED OF ALL TIME:

1] MONTANA
2] BRADY
3]P.MANNING

TOP 3

marino
Favre
Bradshaw

OVERRATED
Kosar
McNabb
Namath


Marino was the greatest QB to ever play the game. period

DWIGHT !
Please explain MARINO being the "greatest" ?
Some stats please ?

As I recall,he played wild and reckless,also, he wasn't very mobile was he ?

[DwightShrute]

DWIGHT !
Please explain MARINO being the "greatest" ?
Some stats please ?

As I recall,he played wild and reckless,also, he wasn't very mobile was he ?

Not sure what you mean by wild and reckless. The fact is that he played on a Miami team that had no running game and no defence and he has, to this date, the quickest release ever and literally change the QB position.

He broke almost every QB record before he retired. Some have been broken now of course. But if you look at passing records today, his name is plastered all over them still.

If he was on a team with any talent other than Clayton and Duper, I am sure he would have won many super bowls.

[ABEHONEST]

DWIGHT !
I' m not buying your argument .
He has many pass records because he threw "so many" .

That was the game plan for him I suppose ?Did he win a SUPERBOWL ?
The GREAT ones always take their team to the top !

Well,quarterbacks I mean .

[DwightShrute]

DWIGHT !
I' m not buying your argument .
He has many pass records because he threw "so many" .

That was the game plan for him I suppose ?Did he win a SUPERBOWL ?
The GREAT ones always take their team to the top !

Well,quarterbacks I mean .

Like I said, he had no team around him and yet took them to the superbowl and playoffs many times. He threw a lot cause no running backs and a poor offensive line.

Yes he did throw a lot. How else would any QB attain any passing records? Unless your David Kreig who got sacked the most all time.

Winning a Superbowl is a team effort so if you asked me which was the greatest team ever, then we would HAVE to include a team that won the Superbowl. whether he did or didn't win a Superbowl has nothing at all to with with the question. Joe Namath and Doug Williams won the Superbowl, are you saying they were better QB's that Dan Marino?

If Marino was a Cowboys or 49ers in those day, he would have enough rings for each finger on his throwing hand.

[ABEHONEST]

That's into hypothetical guessing ?

What if Montana played for Cowboys or Pittsburg when they were both almost unbeatable ?
Marino played reckless and eventually succumbed to injuries because of it .

That trigger finger wasn't fast enough .

[DwightShrute]

That's into hypothetical guessing ?

What if Montana played for Cowboys or Pittsburg when they were both almost unbeatable ?
Marino played reckless and eventually succumbed to injuries because of it .

That trigger finger wasn't fast enough .

Abe? you must be kidding? he had the fastest trigger finger in the history of the NFL without question. One major achilles tendon injury that I can remember him having.

I guess he was just lucky

What does that mean "Marino played reckless?"

NFL records set by Dan Marino

(Note: This list documents records set by Dan Marino. Some of the records have since been broken.)

• Most Attempts, Career: 8,358 (surpassed by Brett Favre in 2007)
• Most Completions, Career: 4,967 (surpassed by Brett Favre in 2006)
• Most Yards Passing, Career: 61,361 (surpassed by Brett Favre in 2007)
• Most Touchdown Passes, Career: 420 (surpassed by Brett Favre in 2007)
• Most Yards Passing, Season: 5,084 in 1984
• Most Touchdown Passes, Season: 48 (surpassed by Peyton Manning (49) in 2004 and by Tom Brady (50) in 2007)
• Most Games, 400 or more Yards Passing, Career: 13
• Most Games, 400 or more Yards Passing, Season: 4 in 1984
• Most Games, 300 or more Yards Passing, Career: 63
• Most Seasons, 3,000 or more Yards Passing: 13 (1984-92, 1994-95, 1997-98) (surpassed by Brett Favre in 2005)
• Most Consecutive Seasons, 3,000 or more Yards Passing: 9 (1984-92) (surpassed by Brett Favre in 2001)
• Most Games, Four or more Touchdown Passes, Career: 21
• Most Games, Four or more Touchdown Passes, Season: 6 in 1984
• Most Games, Three or more Touchdown Passes, Career: 62 (surpassed by Brett Favre in 2007)
• Lowest Percentage, Passes Intercepted, Rookie Season: 2.03 in 1983 (296-6) [surpassed by Charlie Batch, Detroit, 1.98 in 1998 (303-6)]
• Most Seasons Leading League, Attempts: 5 (1984, 1986, 1988, 1992, 1997)
• Most Seasons Leading League, Completions: 6 (1984-86, 1988, 1992, 1997)
• Most Seasons, 40 or more Touchdown Passes: 2 (1984, 1986)
• 100 TD Passes in Fewest Number of Games to Start Career: 44 (9/7/1986 at San Diego)
• 200 TD passes in Fewest Number of Games to Start Career: 89 (9/17/1989 at New England)
• 300 TD passes in Fewest Number of Games to Start Career: 157 (9/4/1994 vs. New England) (tied by Peyton Manning in 2007)
• Highest TD-INT differential: +168 (tied by Peyton Manning in 2008)

• Named NFL Most Valuable Player (1984).
• Played 242 games, starting 240 of them.
• First QB in NFL history to have six 4,000-yard seasons (1984–86, 1988, 1992, 1994; surpassed by Peyton Manning in 2006).
• First QB in NFL history to pass for 5,000 or more yards in a single season (5,084 in 1984).
• Only QB in NFL history to throw 40+ TD passes in a season twice (48 in 1984, 44 in 1986)…only 3 other QB's have done it once.
• Led 37 fourth-quarter comeback victories, third all-time to John Elway (47) and Brett Favre (40).
• Holds Dolphins team record for most seasons played (17).
• Had 116 wins under Don Shula – the most by a head coach/quarterback combination in NFL history.
• Won the AFC Offensive Player of the Week honor 18 times in the regular season (and 20 times overall, including playoffs).
• Compiled a 147-93 regular-season record as a starter, third best all-time.
• Of his 63 career games with 300+ yards passing, 11 came against the Jets(including his final 300-yd game); he had 8 against the Colts(who were in the AFC EAST during Marino's career), and 7 apiece against the Patriots and Bills…meaning Marino picked up 33 of his 63 career 300-yd performances against division foes. Incredibly, of Marino's 13 career games with 400+ passing yards, 4 came against the Jets…the other 9 came against 9 different teams.
• For perspective, his 61,361 career passing yards is the equivalent of having passed his way across the state of Rhode Island.

You wanted stats. How's that?

[DwightShrute]

ABE, we can of course disagree about who is the best. That is why sports is so great IMO.

a quick internet search will validate what I have been saying.

Saying Dan Marino is overrated is like saying OJ isn't good with a knife.

Daniel Constantine (Dan) Marino, Jr. (born September 15, 1961 in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania) is an American Hall of Fame quarterback who played for the Miami Dolphins in the National Football League. The last quarterback of the Quarterback Class of 1983 to be taken in the first round, Marino became one of the most prolific quarterbacks in league history, holding or having held almost every major NFL passing record. Despite never being on a Super Bowl-winning team, he is recognized as one of the greatest quarterbacks in American football history. Remembered particularly for having a quick release and a powerful arm, Marino led the Dolphins into the playoffs on numerous occasions.

[reno cool]

Elway top3 no
Montana yes...and I hated that guy

[Richkas]

Marino
Peyton Manning
Elway


Favre
Warner
Brady

[ABEHONEST]

Okay !
The point I was making is MARINO was tall ,and had a strong quick release ,however,his wild play,pretty slow afoot, and quick release didn't keep from from injuries !

Injuries ,which keeps him from ever achieving the unknown factor: how much better would he have been ?

MONTANA had it all,except height !
Had he been 6' 5"s,how much better would he have been?

All hypothetical guessing !

[DwightShrute]

Okay !
The point I was making is MARINO was tall ,and had a strong quick release ,however,his wild play,pretty slow afoot, and quick release didn't keep from from injuries !

Injuries ,which keeps him from ever achieving the unknown factor: how much better would he have been ?

Abe,

Being a huge Dolphins fan and following them all these years, what injuries did he ever have except the achilles tendon injury he suffered once? If he had all these so called injuries where did all the records come from?

I recall some neck injury actually and he missed only a handful of games


17 seasons (not including several playoff games)

11 he played all 16
one 14 game season
one 13 game season
one 12 game season
1993 5 games achilles tendon injury
his final year 11 games and rookie year started all 11

[ABEHONEST]

Abe,

Being a huge Dolphins fan and following them all these years, what injuries did he ever have except the achilles tendon injury he suffered once? If he had all these so called injuries where did all the records come from?

I recall some neck injury actually and he missed only a handful of games


17 seasons (not including several playoff games)

11 he played all 16
one 14 game season
one 13 game season
one 12 game season
1993 5 games achilles tendon injury
his final year 11 games and rookie year started all 11

Okay ,you know his history really well .
Are you telling me he didn't have some serious injuries that hampered his ability ?

If you don't know ...I will try to find some .
I thought he had some hand injuries,especially ,with all the sacks he had to absorb?

[DwightShrute]

Okay ,you know his history really well .
Are you telling me he didn't have some serious injuries that hampered his ability ?

If you don't know ...I will try to find some .
I thought he had some hand injuries,especially ,with all the sacks he had to absorb?

1.15 average sacks per game and he averaged 35 pass attempts per game on mostly average teams during his entire career looks real decent IMO.

Don't you think?

You are a huge dolphins fan and you really think Griese was better than Marino?

I am a huge Griese fan. He was my favorite QB forever btw

[ABEHONEST]

DWIGHT !
Here's what I found out about MARINO'S health problems .

Besides that achilles serious injury,I read that he had knee surgery after "every" season !
Also, he had a neck injury along with those serious knee problems .

That is WHY he cannot be recognized as the "greatest",he simply wasn't "athletic" enough to avoid career altering injuries !

And meanwhile MONTANA,won [4] Superbowls,and had few career altering injuries .
Why ?

Because he was a much better athlete and much better thinker under pressure than MARINO !
In wother words ,he simply had more finesse than MARINO.

That's why MONTANA is the GREATEST !

[gummo]

If we were talking underrated I would go with Ken Anderson as #1.

[DwightShrute]

DWIGHT !
Here's what I found out about MARINO'S health problems .

Besides that achilles serious injury,I read that he had knee surgery after "every" season !
Also, he had a neck injury along with those serious knee problems .

That is WHY he cannot be recognized as the "greatest",he simply wasn't "athletic" enough to avoid career altering injuries !

And meanwhile MONTANA,won [4] Superbowls,and had few career altering injuries .
Why ?

Because he was a much better athlete and much better thinker under pressure than MARINO !
In wother words ,he simply had more finesse than MARINO.

That's why MONTANA is the GREATEST !

Picking Montana is on the mark. I completely can't fault anyone for picking him along with a handful of other QB's when debating who is the best all time.

I think as a pure passer, Marino was the greatest that I have ever witnessed to play the QB position. He was amazing to watch.


BTW, I want to add Jim Kelley in the top 3 as underrated QB's

[ABEHONEST]

Little known fact about GRIESE I will have to try and prove some other time .

GRIESE was most likely between 5'11",or 6' ?
Someone had him listed at 6' 1's,noway !My guess would be 5' 11's .
Not bad performance for a "short" QB ?
Dwight say's Griese is his favorite ?
Griese was a survivor,blessed with a quick intelligent mind,and athletic feet.

He simply didn't make "mistakes" !
He was a brilliant QB !

[DwightShrute]

Little known fact about GRIESE I will have to try and prove some other time .

GRIESE was most likely between 5'11",or 6' ?
Someone had him listed at 6' 1's,noway !My guess would be 5' 11's .
Not bad performance for a "short" QB ?
Dwight say's Griese is his favorite ?
Griese was a survivor,blessed with a quick intelligent mind,and athletic feet.

He simply didn't make "mistakes" !
He was a brilliant QB !

Griese, to me, was the earlier version on Montana except he threw it side armed a lot.

[ABEHONEST]

More bad news for DWIGHT .
In Marino's only SUPERBOWL,he was beaten 38/16 ,with 2 interceptions and 1 touchdown !
And who beat him?
???

Good job picking GRIESE Dwight,but stick with that other Pennsylvania great ,Montana for the Greatest !

[DwightShrute]

More bad news for DWIGHT .
In Marino's only SUPERBOWL,he was beaten 38/16 ,with 2 interceptions and 1 touchdown !
And who beat him?
???

Good job picking GRIESE Dwight,but stick with that other Pennsylvania great ,Montana for the Greatest !

That was Marino's rookie year, He started 11 games that year.

Nice try but looks like I win

[ABEHONEST]

That was Marino's rookie year, He started 11 games that year.

Nice try but looks like I win

DWIGHT !
You should have quit when you weren't losing so bad !
Now you have gone from bad to worse !

That was Marino's soph year,not his rookie year !

Montana also had 3 touchdown passes in SUPERBOWL XIX JANUARY 15,1985 !

[DwightShrute]

DWIGHT !
You should have quit when you weren't losing so bad !
Now you have gone from bad to worse !

That was Marino's soph year,not his rookie year !

Montana also had 3 touchdown passes in SUPERBOWL XIX JANUARY 15,1985 !

I was testing u on the rookie year thing seeing as you are a huge dolphin fan. You passed.

Griese is my idol early on in my life and is the reason why I played QB in high school. Montana is a class act. Marino is the greatest QB to ever play the game.

I am glad we finally agree!

[ABEHONEST]

Now Dwight,I may be up ALL NIGHT trying to figure out your "logic" ?

[DwightShrute]

Now Dwight,I may be up ALL NIGHT trying to figure out your "logic" ?

Why do people say that to me?

wanna talk politics? Kidding!

cheers