[Brian891]

how come when manning fails in the playoffs its considered bad luck, where if it was anyone else it would be self destructing or choking? there is no question manning is a hall of famer, but he pales to brady. and no defense or running game? he had edge. His defense and running game were main reasons he even won the super bowl he has. he has the great comeback to rest on as far as playoff moments. besides that he has nothing. he is not clutch in postseason. many qbs better.flacco, who everyone rides, has 7 playoff wins in 5 years. peyton has 9 in 14 seasons. i know flacco has lots of help, but he hasnt choked away as many games as peyton has. brady, big ben, montana. none of them has thrown a pick six in waning moments of super bowl with game on the line. only peyton has.

[Brian891]

also, brady only lost once to the jets and ravens in playoffs. his other playoff losses were to colts and broncos. he is 17-6 all time.

[PhillyFlyers]

how come when manning fails in the playoffs its considered bad luck, where if it was anyone else it would be self destructing or choking? there is no question manning is a hall of famer, but he pales to brady. and no defense or running game? he had edge. His defense and running game were main reasons he even won the super bowl he has. he has the great comeback to rest on as far as playoff moments. besides that he has nothing. he is not clutch in postseason. many qbs better.flacco, who everyone rides, has 7 playoff wins in 5 years. peyton has 9 in 14 seasons. i know flacco has lots of help, but he hasnt choked away as many games as peyton has. brady, big ben, montana. none of them has thrown a pick six in waning moments of super bowl with game on the line. only peyton has.

It must be SBR forum policy. Manning loses, and there's 8 million excuses for him. Another QB loses and he sucks. LOL gotta love it.

[bobby heenan]

It must be SBR forum policy. Manning loses, and there's 8 million excuses for him. Another QB loses and he sucks. LOL gotta love it.

yet somehow some guy in this thread has the nerve to say the nfl loves tom brady and thats why they won because the nfl wanted to see him get this 17th playoff win...lol...the nfl hates peyton manning!

[ThaTopMoron]

^ a big part of the success of the Pats line is Brady, though. Matt Cassell had the same exact oline as Brady, down to the number of games played by each starter, and was sacked the 5th most times in a season over the last 5 years. Only Rodgers, Cutler, Ben had a season with more sacks. Brady was sacked half that, despite being less athletic. And that was back when Cassell was a solid but not great QB. Brady helps make that line with his ability to read a D, and the fact that teams are scared to blitz him. The only truly elite lineman is Vollmer, and he's been banged up a lot the last few years.

fact is Brady hasn't won the SB when he has been in his offensive superior years, only when he was younger and had the best playoff play-making defense / the most clutch kicker in history + Belichick and all of his assistants who excelled in their positions, not when they went off to their own HC jobs only to suck ass.

that should give reason as to why Peyton and the Colts couldn't get it done in their best 4 year span of offense. years 03 through 06, only when the defense stepped up as a play-making defense in the playoffs and Vinny was our new clutch kicker did the team finally get it done, with the defense having their moments and the offense having their moments.

Nobody can do it alone. Nobody.

Rodgers now has 3 1 and dones in his 4 playoff appearances. Why... defense. He can't do it alone.

Brees has a shitty defense and subpar coaching and he can't even get his team to the playoffs.

Big Ben loses his OC and all of a sudden he blows games late multiple times and they miss the playoffs.

The conversation has now moved to Brady vs Joe Montana... and it will just heat up that much more if the Patriots beat the Ravens just like last year, but not because the Ravens choke and hand it to them this time.

No more Peyton vs Brady threads should be started on these forums. There is no point to them anymore.

[ThaTopMoron]

and it's not even close. Hell, you can make a case for Peyton not even being as good as Eli let alone Tom Brady.

Brady's streak snapped and so was their BS 4-0 record today

Manning now with Brady's old toy and wins again, adds another 4th q comeback to his career. Wins even when his defense gives up 48 pts and 500 pass yards.

Started the season 20 TD No picks.

This thread created because the Ravens got a miracle bomb for TD and Pats beat up on the friggin Texans... who we now see this year for who they really are. Losers.

Only won the South because Manning was hurt 2011 and Luck and most of team's top play-makers were rookies in 2012.

Pats beating the Texans proves shit... and same Pats team lost to the same Ravens team that miraculously got by Manning. But they bitch slapped Brady and shut his ass out in the 2nd half to cruise to the Super Bowl.

[C-Gold]

Brady is a hall of famer but Peyton Manning is the best ever.

[InTheDrink]

what exactly do we accomplish here bumping phillyflyer threads

the guey is a moron...everyone knows this

[ThaTopMoron]

what exactly do we accomplish here bumping phillyflyer threads

the guey is a moron...everyone knows this

reminding him of it

and this 49'ers game is boring

[lakerboy]

Peyton would be 0-5 with this pats team.

[ThaTopMoron]

Peyton would be 0-5 with this pats team.

yeah tough sledding to win with a defense that gives up 13 pts to a tough team on the road.

or 10 to the Jets

or 3 to the Bucs

[lakerboy]

Moron brady has nobody to throw the ball to. Do you not realize this? Cincy is a great defensive team.

[ThaTopMoron]

Moron brady has nobody to throw the ball to. Do you not realize this? Cincy is a great defensive team.

not my fault they didn't keep Welker

Gronk injured last year to start his bad streak... injured on a play real late in a blowout win vs Colts. No reason for this to happen.

not my fault Hernandez is in jail

not my fault they decided to replace Welker with another injury prone kid

hey, didn't they just sign A. Collie? Peyton made him into a stud in his rookie year and into 2010 season... tell Brady to throw it to him.

[BriGuy]

not my fault they didn't keep Welker

Gronk injured last year to start his bad streak... injured on a play real late in a blowout win vs Colts. No reason for this to happen.

not my fault Hernandez is in jail

not my fault they decided to replace Welker with another injury prone kid

hey, didn't they just sign A. Collie? Peyton made him into a stud in his rookie year and into 2010 season... tell Brady to throw it to him.

No one is saying any of those things are your fault. But those things have to be kept in mind when evaluating Brady's performances this year. The guy literally lost his top 5 receivers from last year. The top threat is a rookie undrafted free agent. I won't say Manning is 0-5 with those bums, but he certainly wouldn't be having the season he is enjoying right now.

[DoYouNotGetIT]

Peyton Manning best regular season QB ever. Problem is he chokes in the playoffs. Eli Manning is the best postseason QB in the league now. Will always take the best postseason player over someone who is the best in the regular season. Eli Manning beat Brady twice. Brady had the better team at least one of those times.

Those Charger teams that beat Peyton Manning were not great teams and Peyton Manning had the superior team.

[Mercersux]

I don't think you can read too much into todays game. Huge letdown spot for patriots. Especially the offense. Think they may have got caught looking ahead a bit as well.

[Walulu]

Eli is the best post season QB in the league right now? C'mon Man! Get that shat outta here

[Mercersux]

Eli is the best post season QB in the league right now? C'mon Man! Get that shat outta here

As far as as current qb's in the league, it's either roethlisberger or Brady.

[Ratzz]

Brady woulda has his 4th ring if weak ass Welker catches that easy ass pas last bowl

nahh... Welker was WIDE OPEN

pass was "too high" and "behind" Welker.

Why would he spin and jump? ELI MANNING.. drops that right into the breadbasket..
like the Manningham catch.

the fact is the Brady C-H-O-K-E-D.

just like he did against the Ravens at home.. in the AFC Championship game..

2nd Half performance Tom Brady:

0 Touchdowns
0 Field Goals
2 Interceptions

New England Patriots after Spygate. nothing.

[DoYouNotGetIT]

As far as as current qb's in the league, it's either roethlisberger or Brady.

Roethlisberger Proves you shouldn't even be debating this.

[Ratzz]

Moron brady has nobody to throw the ball to. Do you not realize this? Cincy is a great defensive team.

and the reason for this is that players are voluntarily leaving the Patriots the instant their contracts are up.
Wes Welker bolted to a superior team. Danny Woodhead jumped ship.

people don't want to play for Belichik and Brady anymore//

Brady is washed up... and when he throws a terrible pass... he turns around and blames you (Welker, Superbowl XLVI choke)*

[Mercersux]

Roethlisberger Proves you shouldn't even be debating this.

How do you figure? Guys been to 3 super bowls. Ill give you his first one was lackluster but he had a huge hand in the second win. Hate the fact I'm defending the guy because i f*cking hate him but whatever. Yeah he's been there three times but he's obviously no good. Makes sense brah...

[C-Gold]

If Peyton Manning had Bill Bellicheck as a coach he'd have more rings.

Instead he had an ignorant, ultra conservative black coach that insisted on running the same play on defense over and over. He insisted on keeping a small, undersized defense that got run over week in and week out.

Cover 2 works only if you elite players all on your defense, but if you have elite players all on your defense than any scheme can work. Bellicheck has switched from a 3-4 to a 4-3 to adapt to his players. He's run nickel defenses in the playoffs and knows how to game plan. Fungy ran the same thing over and over again because he was incapable of game planning and because he put it all on Manning's shoulders. Peyton Manning won despite Tony Dungy, not the other way around. The exact year Dungy left Tampa Gruden won. The year after Dungy left Indy that team was going undefeated and didn't miss a beat. Dungy added nothing.

Meanwhile Brady had the best coach in years on his side. Do you think they would have beat the rams as 14 point dogs without Dungy running nickel and dime as a base defense??? Hell no. The Rams would have torched them for 40+ points like they did to everybody else.

[BriGuy]

If Peyton Manning had Bill Bellicheck as a coach he'd have more rings.

Instead he had an ignorant, ultra conservative black coach that insisted on running the same play on defense over and over. He insisted on keeping a small, undersized defense that got run over week in and week out.

Cover 2 works only if you elite players all on your defense, but if you have elite players all on your defense than any scheme can work. Bellicheck has switched from a 3-4 to a 4-3 to adapt to his players. He's run nickel defenses in the playoffs and knows how to game plan. Fungy ran the same thing over and over again because he was incapable of game planning and because he put it all on Manning's shoulders. Peyton Manning won despite Tony Dungy, not the other way around. The exact year Dungy left Tampa Gruden won. The year after Dungy left Indy that team was going undefeated and didn't miss a beat. Dungy added nothing.

Meanwhile Brady had the best coach in years on his side. Do you think they would have beat the rams as 14 point dogs without Dungy running nickel and dime as a base defense??? Hell no. The Rams would have torched them for 40+ points like they did to everybody else.

Brady has definitely had the superior coach, but Manning has definitely overall had the superior receivers. It's an interesting comparison.

[C-Gold]

Brady has definitely had the superior coach, but Manning has definitely overall had the superior receivers. It's an interesting comparison.

Brady has had better defenses and a better coach. That's a lot more important than receivers. Especially since the NFL changed the rules.

[ThaTopMoron]

you DON'T know how awesome it is to watch your team actually go out and play defense like it should be played... and make stops, stuff the run... pick people off. setup short fields for the offense

so awesome seeing special teams make plays too, as that aspect of the Peyton years was weak year after year after year too

just saying... penetrate the cover 2 defense

and the offense is sweet now too, just need to get our fullback healthy and get H-Bay more consistent and not make some of our power runs so predictable.... Luck needs to audible out to something else when the defense is all stacked up at the LOS

[face]

brady 10-4 vs. manning now
brady wins with the worse team tonight

[Vinnie Paz]

Fukk manning and his fkn noodle arm

[sneakerhead]

Brady owns manning

[nyplayer33]

so the defense didn't give up the points in 2nd half ??

[nyplayer33]

2 td's and 1 interception in a crazy bitter cold night game..and manning was the bad guy here..um...to such posters..maybe consider delivering pizza as a part time job

[nyplayer33]

If Peyton Manning had Bill Bellicheck as a coach he'd have more rings.

Instead he had an ignorant, ultra conservative black coach that insisted on running the same play on defense over and over. He insisted on keeping a small, undersized defense that got run over week in and week out.

Cover 2 works only if you elite players all on your defense, but if you have elite players all on your defense than any scheme can work. Bellicheck has switched from a 3-4 to a 4-3 to adapt to his players. He's run nickel defenses in the playoffs and knows how to game plan. Fungy ran the same thing over and over again because he was incapable of game planning and because he put it all on Manning's shoulders. Peyton Manning won despite Tony Dungy, not the other way around. The exact year Dungy left Tampa Gruden won. The year after Dungy left Indy that team was going undefeated and didn't miss a beat. Dungy added nothing.

Meanwhile Brady had the best coach in years on his side. Do you think they would have beat the rams as 14 point dogs without Dungy running nickel and dime as a base defense??? Hell no. The Rams would have torched them for 40+ points like they did to everybody else.

[bubblebuttluv]

Brady, Peyton, Brees (in that order) and then maybe Rodgers....and then no one else is really worth talking about.

[ThaTopMoron]

If Peyton Manning had Bill Bellicheck as a coach he'd have more rings.

Instead he had an ignorant, ultra conservative black coach that insisted on running the same play on defense over and over. He insisted on keeping a small, undersized defense that got run over week in and week out.

Cover 2 works only if you elite players all on your defense, but if you have elite players all on your defense than any scheme can work. Bellicheck has switched from a 3-4 to a 4-3 to adapt to his players. He's run nickel defenses in the playoffs and knows how to game plan. Fungy ran the same thing over and over again because he was incapable of game planning and because he put it all on Manning's shoulders. Peyton Manning won despite Tony Dungy, not the other way around. The exact year Dungy left Tampa Gruden won. The year after Dungy left Indy that team was going undefeated and didn't miss a beat. Dungy added nothing.

Meanwhile Brady had the best coach in years on his side. Do you think they would have beat the rams as 14 point dogs without Dungy running nickel and dime as a base defense??? Hell no. The Rams would have torched them for 40+ points like they did to everybody else.

stop reminding me of the Cover 2 Colt years

[mikey207]

Tom did it with much less.

Tom EASILY >>> Peyton