[PAULYPOKER]

listed as a top rated sports book?

I know most I ran across all have Bookmaker,5dimes,legends,etc. but who promoted BetIslands besides SBR?

[Easy-Rider 66]

I know of one other watchdog site that had them rated as premium up to 1-2 days ago. Then they changed their rating to reflect payout problems. So no SBR was not alone.

[darkhat]

covers had them

[Smoke]

covers had them

[shari91]

listed as a top rated sports book?

I know most I ran across all have Bookmaker,5dimes,legends,etc. but who promoted BetIslands besides SBR?

Explain how your bullshit "toprated" = a B rating.

Bash SBR but be factual. This disgusting, irrelevant shit is not helping anyone.

If anything it's invalidating the person posting this crap. Tighten up Pauly.

[PAULYPOKER]

Found some pretty damaging evidence here posted on OCT 27 2012,apparently BI was not paying affiliates one red cent in over a year........

Avoid BetIslands Sportsbook -

[No coincidences]

Explain how your bullshit "toprated" = a B rating.

Bash SBR but be factual. This disgusting, irrelevant shit is not helping anyone.

If anything it's invalidating the person posting this crap. Tighten up Pauly.

"Disgusting" and "irrelevant"? He may have exaggerated, but it's not like BI was a D or F book and he made it out to be top rated. A "B" book in most people's minds would still be a decent one to use -- hence the "B" grade. I'm still surprised by the SBR employees who are blowing off that B grade in retrospect, basically saying "well it only had a B in the first place" like that should've set off warning signals for potential users.

[shari91]

Found some pretty damaging evidence here posted on OCT 27 2012,apparently BI was not paying affiliates one red cent in over a year........

Avoid BetIslands Sportsbook -

Sweet. So start a thread about that if you think it's relevant with only prop replying.

Come on now.

[tto827]

Explain how your bullshit "toprated" = a B rating.

Bash SBR but be factual. This disgusting, irrelevant shit is not helping anyone.

If anything it's invalidating the person posting this crap. Tighten up Pauly.

While its not top-rated Shari, SBR does seem to make a large distinction between a C+/B- and a B rating. Probably should switch the wording up on the overall review page, because the way it is right now, people basically assume everything B or better is the same.
Stupid, yes, reality, yes.

[No coincidences]

While its not top-rated Shari, SBR does seem to make a large distinction between a C+/B- and a B rating. Probably should switch the wording up on the overall review page, because the way it is right now, people basically assume everything B or better is the same.
Stupid, yes, reality, yes.

Again, I'm not expecting a book with a B to be perfect -- but it shouldn't be spun as a shitty grade in retrospect just because of what has transpired.

There wasn't ever anything legitimate to earn BI that B grade as far as I can tell. And the same goes for BOL, which is currently a B+. Wonder how much $$$ BOL has pumped into SBR to keep that grade where it is.

[tblues2005]

Explain how your bullshit "toprated" = a B rating.

Bash SBR but be factual. This disgusting, irrelevant shit is not helping anyone.

If anything it's invalidating the person posting this crap. Tighten up Pauly.

Shari I hope you got some rest.

I did see them as a B book which some was saying was a good book and SBR did have them as a sponsor for a few contests before. Pauly is going a little far here though. What is shocking to me is no comment from Lou,John,or anyone else that is in charge on what is happening on the status of this situation. SBR needs to be straightforward on this issue and be honest with players of what is probably going to happen. That is all I would ask for is to say something and give some here something. Shari your the only one that has said much on this and I thank you for that.

[tblues2005]

Again, I'm not expecting a book with a B to be perfect -- but it shouldn't be spun as a shitty grade in retrospect just because of what has transpired.

There wasn't ever anything legitimate to earn BI that B grade as far as I can tell. And the same goes for BOL, which is currently a B+. Wonder how much $$$ BOL has pumped into SBR to keep that grade where it is.

I do think they need to change in that fashion on these books.

As far ad BOL I hope they don't do this also. That would be a huge hit.

[shari91]

While its not top-rated Shari, SBR does seem to make a large distinction between a C+/B- and a B rating. Probably should switch the wording up on the overall review page, because the way it is right now, people basically assume everything B or better is the same.
Stupid, yes, reality, yes.

I think you're 100% right. And it's something I've said for a while too. I hate this wording. I hate how Aussie books aren't separated off properly. But again... what do you do when everyone feels a book should be A+? Yeah SBR should've busted some balls if that's the right guy term or whatever but they're telling you they did the day they announced it. What do you do then? Get money from nothing or hope to get money from something? Sucks either way and my heart goes out to you guys who actually deposited.

[Smoke]

Shari good peoples

[tto827]

I think you're 100% right. And it's something I've said for a while too. I hate this wording. I hate how Aussie books aren't separated off properly. But again... what do you do when everyone feels a book should be A+? Yeah SBR should've busted some balls if that's the right guy term or whatever but they're telling you they did the day they announced it. What do you do then? Get money from nothing or hope to get money from something? Sucks either way and my heart goes out to you guys who actually deposited.

I think SBR was put in an extremely difficult situation, and realize that no matter what your reactions were to this, you were going to get hammered either way. I am definitely not ready to completely let SBR slide for this whole fiasco, but until more is known, SBR deserves the benefit of the doubt, without question.

I had always been looking for a new book, but something just tugged me the wrong way, and I never set up shop at BI, or BOL, or anywhere but 5dimes or a CRIS book. I feel awful for the people who lost money, I just think most of their anger is misguided.

[Chi_archie]

it wasn't top rated

but let's be honest. They HAD earned a B from everything i'd read It wasn't like it was a fake rating, Many posters seemed to love them!

when Zeta started his thread it was the first rumblings i'd heard about them having troubles, i'm sure there were others but it was the first I'd noticed.

Who was to know the $ behind the operation would decide to pull out? I don't expect SBR or any site to be that behind the scenes that they know

I think everyone was blindsided, even the employees

[No coincidences]

I think you're 100% right. And it's something I've said for a while too. I hate this wording. I hate how Aussie books aren't separated off properly. But again... what do you do when everyone feels a book should be A+? Yeah SBR should've busted some balls if that's the right guy term or whatever but they're telling you they did the day they announced it. What do you do then? Get money from nothing or hope to get money from something? Sucks either way and my heart goes out to you guys who actually deposited.

What do you mean by that?

[No coincidences]

it wasn't top rated

but let's be honest. They HAD earned a B from everything i'd read It wasn't like it was a fake rating, Many posters seemed to love them

The posters aren't the ones doing the grading -- SBR is. Just because it's a beloved sportsbook by a bunch of degens who get bonus happy and spend way more than they cash out, doesn't mean it has earned a true B rating. That's SBR's responsibility to make sure there aren't potential chinks in the armor -- at least, I thought it was based on the mission statements I've read around here through the years.

[No coincidences]

Question: has BOL "earned" a B+ rating?

Has Bovada "earned" an A rating?

[PAULYPOKER]

Explain how your bullshit "toprated" = a B rating.

Bash SBR but be factual. This disgusting, irrelevant shit is not helping anyone.

If anything it's invalidating the person posting this crap. Tighten up Pauly.

A= excellent or no issues what so ever trustworthy as a bank

B= above average or "small" issues are rare and when they arise they are quickly dealt with accordingly

C=Average or have some issues but none major,should improve

D= Poor or In business primarily to practice shady scams on the customer

F= Failure or Too late your money has gone bye bye's

[Chi_archie]

The posters aren't the ones doing the grading -- SBR is. Just because it's a beloved sportsbook by a bunch of degens who get bonus happy and spend way more than they cash out, doesn't mean it has earned a true B rating. That's SBR's responsibility to make sure there aren't potential chinks in the armor -- at least, I thought it was based on the mission statements I've read around here through the years.

you don't think poster ratings are a part of that?

customer satisfaction seems to carry some weight

what do you want them to do, bug the phones of the main players for the book?

does SBR even know who really was the backer/s of that place? seems like it was all clouded in mystery.

its not like they can subponae bank records

[avanbarksdale]

shari good peoples

[No coincidences]

you don't think poster ratings are a part of that?

customer satisfaction seems to carry some weight

what do you want them to do, bug the phones of the main players for the book?

does SBR even know who really was the backer/s of that place? seems like it was all clouded in mystery.

its not like they can subponae bank records

I think the B grade at BI was bought and paid for. Same goes for BOL and Bovada's grades. I think if those books weren't lining SBR's pockets, BOL would be a C operation at best and Bovada wouldn't sniff the "A" range. Just my take.

Why is BOL still a B+ book today given all of the recent payout issues?

[PAULYPOKER]

you don't think poster ratings are a part of that?

Yes they did but most of the posters who rated the book are shills,

Shills are easily spotted a mile away,

but somehow, SBR staff has incredible trouble spotting them out....

[PAULYPOKER]

Yes they did but most of the posters who rated the book are shills,

Shills are easily spotted a mile away,

but somehow, SBR staff has incredible trouble spotting them out....

prop Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 174

Re: Avoid BetIslands Sportsbook I never heard of BetIslands before and then suddenly next thing I know they were the best because Jon who was this Kickass Manager from super duper A+++ WagerChief was in charge. Then I witness him write many times exactly what you quoted Quote: We are one of the best sportsbooks out there... And he has an army of shills to promote him and his book. Then other idiots on SRB, SBR or whatever that scam site is called, all repeat it because forum opinions are easy to control. The other thing you'll hear about over and over again is how deep their pockets are. Like you'd think this book is so well rolled that they sit around discussing where the penetrate they can bury the cash, there is no room left. Don't get me wrong, I don't know jack about them. but I wasn't born yesterday either.

[tto827]

Yes they did but most of the posters who rated the book are shills,

Shills are easily spotted a mile away,

but somehow, SBR staff has incredible trouble spotting them out....

I like you Pauly, but did you think DD was a shill?

[shari91]

What do you mean by that?

Look at the voting for best books.

And if I had permission I could say who emailed or PM'd to say they should be rated higher than B.

This is NOT a transfer of blame by any means. But SBR didn't want to raise the rating, ppl thought it should've been, bitched to the point of making threads, and then something went busto. Go back and see how many threads called for BI to be A or A+. It's fukking horrible. But there's no way from stopping that offshore. If there is, I'm sure the bigtime guys (not those who pretend to be) will let you know.

[PAULYPOKER]

I like you Pauly, but did you think DD was a shill?

He was banned from here so probably not...........

[No coincidences]

Look at the voting for best books.

And if I had permission I could say who emailed or PM'd to say they should be rated higher than B.

This is NOT a transfer of blame by any means. But SBR didn't want to raise the rating, ppl thought it should've been, bitched to the point of making threads, and then something went busto. It's fukking horrible. But there's no way from stopping that offshore. If there is, I'm sure the bigtime guys (not those who pretend to be) will let you know.

So SBR's assigned grades can not only be influenced by advertising $$$ (obvious), but a relatively small (given the # of members here) amount of posters complaining a book's grade isn't high enough, even if SBR knows better about the book? Is that what you're saying?

[No coincidences]

shari, do you honestly believe deep down that SBR was blindsided by what happened at BI?

[shari91]

So SBR's assigned grades can not only be influenced by advertising $$$ (obvious), but a relatively small (given the # of members here) amount of posters complaining a book's grade isn't high enough, even if SBR knows better about the book? Is that what you're saying?

Dude, are you drunk???? People ie posters wanted SBR to increase their grade of BI. SBR said no. Posters then still started threads asking for people to support the BI upgrade cause.

Good idea, yeah?

So no, your whole theory is incorrect. READ and LEARN.

[PAULYPOKER]

So SBR's assigned grades can not only be influenced by advertising $$$ (obvious), but a relatively small (given the # of members here) amount of posters complaining a book's grade isn't high enough, even if SBR knows better about the book? Is that what you're saying?

The only people who would bitch for SBR to give a book a higher rating are people with vested interest in that said book known as shills,affiliates etc................

[mynameismud]

betislands stiffing everyone or just usa players? i dont play at an sbr affiliated book so im out of the loop. id be livid if what ive been hearing is true.

[tto827]

betislands stiffing everyone or just usa players? i dont play at an sbr affiliated book so im out of the loop. id be livid if what ive been hearing is true.

Everyone BI packed it up.

[PAULYPOKER]

betislands stiffing everyone or just usa players? i dont play at an sbr affiliated book so im out of the loop. id be livid if what ive been hearing is true.

They only accepted USA players, Shari was quoted saying this..............