[stevenash]

Wilt Chamberlain was 35 when he hit the mark, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Karl Malone were each 36 and Michael Jordan was 38

At 34 years old, Kobe Bryant has become the youngest player in NBA history to eclipse 30,000 career points and only the fifth overall to hit that mark.

Bryant entered the elite scoring club during the first half of the Los Angeles Lakers’ game against the New Orleans Hornets. He arrived in New Orleans 13 points short, and scored his 13th and 14th points on a short jumper with 1:16 to go in the first half.

Because the basket came in the flow of play, there was hardly any reaction on the court as Bryant and his teammates ran back on defense.

Wilt Chamberlain was 35 when he hit the mark, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Karl Malone were each 36 and Michael Jordan was 38.

[stevenash]

Love him or hate him, he is this generations greatest basketball player.

[The Giant]

Youngest, yes. But only because he didn't go to college.

It took him more games than any of the other players.

[kenshin11x]

So he isn't more of a ball hog compared to those other guys.

[Br0nxer]

Love him or hate him, he is this generations greatest basketball player.

Black Mamba

[stevenash]

So he isn't more of a ball hog compared to those other guys.

Interesting

Jordan averaged 22.9 shots per game for his career
Kobe 19.6 shots taken per game
Jabbar 18.1 shots taken per game
Malone 17.8 shots taken per game

[daimoshokage]

Lebron will annihilate that shit..

[baldur]

Youngest, yes. But only because he didn't go to college.

It took him more games than any of the other players.

because he didnt need. just a few years more leaded kobe becoming the youngest player to eclipse 30,000 career points? are you a troll or what?

[King Mayan]

Lebron will annihilate that shit..

I will annihilate your ass, lil fairy.

[no1here]

Most now day players are extremely weak to Jordan's era. Lebron ain't 80% of Michael.

[Goat Milk]

Most now day players are extremely weak to Jordan's era. Lebron ain't 80% of Michael.

don't understand this phrasing

[darkhat]

Love him or hate him, he is this generations greatest basketball player.

[The Architect]

LeBron will become the youngest to 30,000 points. And will do so by two years+...It was Michael's NBA, then shaq's league, then Duncan...then Kobe's...now its Lebrons.

[soul786]

Youngest, yes. But only because he didn't go to college.

It took him more games than any of the other players.

[The Architect]

Most now day players are extremely weak to Jordan's era. Lebron ain't 80% of Michael.

The game has evolved, alot of that can attributed to MJ. But to say lebron isn't on the same level as jordan is just plain stupid. LeBron James does things on a basketball court that nobody, including Jordan, have ever been able to do.

[Smoke]

Kobe is the truth!

[Goat Milk]

yeah because he came off the bench his for 2 years...

[d2bets]

Love him or hate him, he is this generations greatest basketball player.

Which "generation" would that be?

[William Walters]

Three of the top five scorers ever were/are Lakers (fukk Malone and his knee in your crotch bullshit...one year doesn't count). Purple & Gold baby. All others.............bow down.

[Ratzz]

1) Kobe did not go to college
2) Jordan also retired prematurely to explore MLB 2 years off.
** *(add two more scoring titles, 1 MVP and 1 Ring, possibly 2 rings)
3) Kobe does not pass the ball
4) Kobe two modest scoring titles to Jordan's 10 Scoring Titles
5) a single modest MVP to Jordan's 5 MVPs
6) averages 25.4 ppg to Jordan's 30.1*
7) Kobe two Finals MVps to Jordan's 6 Finals MVps*
8) at those averages, it took Jordan 996 games to reach 30,000
and it took Kobe 1,181 games to reach 30,000 (more than two full seasons)
9) Kobe did all that copying Jordan. That was the precise model he followed.

that 'youngest ever' is a serious stretch..

if you give two kids each a mixed up Rubik's cube..
one at 6AM and the other at 9AM

you cannot then claim that the boy at 6AM solved it the earliest in the day
if it took him longer to do complete the task.

Jordan is the MAN, (Chamberlain great, but overwhelming size advantage.)

…now i know that Kobe is holding back to protect Jordan's legacy, and i respect that.
but Jordan still better, by significant margin*

[wguan2]

1) Kobe did not go to college
2) Jordan also retired prematurely to explore MLB 2 years off.
** *(add two more scoring titles, 1 MVP and 1 Ring, possibly 2 rings)
3) Kobe does not pass the ball
4) Kobe two modest scoring titles to Jordan's 10
5) a single modest MVP to Jordan's 5
6) averages 25.4 ppg to Jordan's 30.1*
7) at those averages, it took Jordan 996 games to reach 30,000
and it took Kobe 1,181 games to reach 30,000 (more than two full seasons)
8) Kobe did all that copying Jordan. That was the precise model he followed.

that 'youngest ever' is a serious stretch..

if you give two kids each a mixed up Rubik's cube..
one at 6AM and the other at 9AM

you cannot then claim that the boy at 6AM solved it the earliest in the day
if it took him longer to do complete the task.

Jordan is the MAN, (Chamberlain great, but overwhelming size advantage.)

…now i know that Kobe is holding back to protect Jordan's legacy, and i respect that.
but Jordan still better, by significant margin*

You use all of these qualification statements to de-credit Kobe's achievement yet you don't acknowledge that Kobe came off the bench for the Lakers for a couple of years.

You hate on Kobe for not passing the ball but then love on Jordan for more scoring titles.

You fail to acknowledge Jordan's shot attempts compared to Kobe.

You fail to acknowledge Jordan was always #1 man as Kobe was #2 for several years.
And if you did acknowledge Kobe was #2, you wouldn't use it to make a case that that is why Kobe didn't have as many individual accolades, but Kobe being #2 is a detriment to his resume and therefore his championships don't hold comparable weight.

This, my friend, is the epitome of bias. (in more slang terms, ball gargling)

[ttwarrior1]

didnt play college, of course he is way up there
Alot will be up there someday, maybe not that high
but of course higher than someone that played college for 3 or 4 years
Who really cares

[Ratzz]

*You fail to acknowledge Jordan was always #1 man as Kobe was #2 for several years.
And if you did acknowledge Kobe was #2, you wouldn't use it to make a case that that is why Kobe didn't have as many individual accolades, but Kobe being #2 is a detriment to his resume and therefore his championships don't hold comparable weight.

This, my friend, is the epitome of bias. (in more slang terms, ball gargling)

i am not the person with the bias. the above statements are all facts.
Kobe had a 6 year headstart on that milestone.
A) 4 yrs college, and B) two years Jordan retirement.

all you need to know is scoring titles and career avg. 30.1 (Jordan) to 25.4 (Kobe)*

try to do the Math. good luck

[William Walters]

You use all of these qualification statements to de-credit Kobe's achievement yet you don't acknowledge that Kobe came off the bench for the Lakers for a couple of years.

You hate on Kobe for not passing the ball but then love on Jordan for more scoring titles.

You fail to acknowledge Jordan's shot attempts compared to Kobe.

You fail to acknowledge Jordan was always #1 man as Kobe was #2 for several years.
And if you did acknowledge Kobe was #2, you wouldn't use it to make a case that that is why Kobe didn't have as many individual accolades, but Kobe being #2 is a detriment to his resume and therefore his championships don't hold comparable weight.

This, my friend, is the epitome of bias. (in more slang terms, ball gargling)

Ratzz is a Lakers hater. Guy is so pissed at how the Lakers have dominated the NBA for decades.........most likely curb stomping the shit out of his favorite lil team.

[wguan2]

i am not the person with the bias. the above statements are all facts.
Kobe had a 6 year headstart on that milestone.
A) 4 yrs college, and B) two years Jordan retirement.

all you need to know is scoring titles and career avg. 30.1 (Jordan) to 25.4 (Kobe)*

try to do the Math. good luck

First off, if we're going to be technical, #3 and #8 are not facts. What is a fact though, is Kobe is the youngest play in NBA history to eclipse 30k points. Why you are attempting to argue this fact with your mixture of facts and opinions is beyond me. Sure how he did it may certainly be different, (which is completely contrary to #8 of your "facts") but how is "youngest ever" a stretch? It's a fact, he was the youngest to do it. Lol but you're right, you are not biased at all.

*** By the way, Jordan went to college for 3 years.

[William Walters]

First off, if we're going to be technical, #3 and #8 are not facts. What is a fact though, is Kobe is the youngest play in NBA history to eclipse 30k points. Why you are attempting to argue this fact with your mixture of facts and opinions is beyond me. Sure how he did it may certainly be different, (which is completely contrary to #8 of your "facts") but how is "youngest ever" a stretch? It's a fact, he was the youngest to do it. Lol but you're right, you are not biased at all.

*** By the way, Jordan went to college for 3 years.

Ratzz getting absolutely owned.

[BettingWizard]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...coring_leaders


Jordan was even better in the playoffs and shot 50% for his career. Kobe is just a volume scorer.

[meader99]

Kobe was youngest, but he wasn't fastest which would be more telling. Lebron will be younger when he gets to 30,000. Kobe played 7000 more minutes than MJ to get to 30,000. Kobe is a great player, MJ is still better.

[Mikail]

don't understand this phrasing

Of course you don't. It doesn't take a lot to stump a mental midget like you.

[Butterface]

Lol didn't Jordan do it like 120 games sooner than Kobe?

[Smoke]

Three of the top five scorers ever were/are Lakers (fukk Malone and his knee in your crotch bullshit...one year doesn't count). Purple & Gold baby. All others.............bow down.

[William Walters]

Lol didn't Jordan do it like 120 games sooner than Kobe?

This thread isn't about "who's better......Kobe or Jordan?". As a lifelong Lakers fan I'd say Jordan.

But, let's keep in mind......in Jordan's first three seasons.........he racked up close to 6,000 points while leading his team to a sweet 30 games under .500 record.

[wguan2]

For further information, it may be significant to emphasize games started over games player in order to attempt to control for the seasons where Kobe came off the bench. Those seasons you could argue is pretty equivalent to Jordan's 3 seasons that he spent at UNC.

1031 Kobe vs 1039 Jordan

Pretty close to be honest.

[Ratzz]

First off, if we're going to be technical, #3 and #8 are not facts. What is a fact though, is Kobe is the youngest play in NBA history to eclipse 30k points. Why you are attempting to argue this fact with your mixture of facts and opinions is beyond me. Sure how he did it may certainly be different, (which is completely contrary to #8 of your "facts") but how is "youngest ever" a stretch? It's a fact, he was the youngest to do it. Lol but you're right, you are not biased at all.

*** By the way, Jordan went to college for 3 years.

correction. Kobe had a 5 yr. headstart on that milestone. a full NBA season (not counting playoffs)
is 2050 pts if you average 25 ppg like Kobe (25.1 ppg, of course it, but for arguments sake we use overall Avg.)*

Ratzz getting absolutely owned.

No. but this is how a Laker fan interprets information.

…they interpret that the Laker team now is good, and will get it all together, and crush the opposition, in the playoffs.

… they imagine that Kobe is the best all-time, even though there are other older that are better (MJ stats destroy Kobe's) and younger than him whose stats project to be better (Lebron)

hell, Durant already has three scoring titles*

[Ratzz]

the bottom line is PPG for entire career.
If Jordan came out of high school, and did not waste 2 yrs. in the minors of MLB
then he would have passed Kareem, and likely the 40,000 pts. milestone.


Jordan 30.1
Kobe 25.4

that stat comparison ends the discussion about which is a more prolific scorer.*