1. 11-29-12 05:59 PM #1
    stevenash
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    Full 2013 MLB Hall of Fame ballot

    Let's have a SBR Hall of Fame election.
    Rules say you can vote up to 10

    Who you voting for?


    Batting Stats Pitching Stats
    Rk YoB % of Ballots HOFm HOFs Yrs WAR WAR7 JAWS Jpos G AB R H HR RBI SB BB BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ W L ERA ERA+ WHIP G GS SV IP H HR BB SO Pos Summary
    1 Jack Morris 14th 66.7% 122 39 18 39.3 30.8 35.1 57.8 568 1 4 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 -100 254 186 3.90 105 1.296 549 527 0 3824.0 3567 389 1390 2478 *1/D
    2 Jeff Bagwell 3rd 56.0% 150 59 15 76.7 46.7 61.7 51.5 2150 7797 1517 2314 449 1529 202 1401 .297 .408 .540 .948 149 *3/D9
    3 Lee Smith 11th 50.6% 135 13 18 27.6 19.7 23.7 32.3 1023 64 2 3 1 2 0 3 .047 .090 .094 .183 -50 71 92 3.03 132 1.256 1022 6 478 1289.1 1133 89 486 1251 *1
    4 Tim Raines 6th 48.7% 90 47 23 66.2 41.1 53.7 50.7 2502 8872 1571 2605 170 980 808 1330 .294 .385 .425 .810 123 *78D4/9
    5 Alan Trammell 12th 36.8% 118 40 20 67.1 43.3 55.2 52.1 2293 8288 1231 2365 185 1003 236 850 .285 .352 .415 .767 110 *6D5/478
    6 Edgar Martinez 4th 36.5% 132 50 18 64.4 41.8 53.1 53.4 2055 7213 1219 2247 309 1261 49 1283 .312 .418 .515 .933 147 *D*5/3
    7 Fred McGriff 4th 23.9% 100 48 19 48.2 33.2 40.7 51.5 2460 8757 1349 2490 493 1550 72 1305 .284 .377 .509 .886 134 *3D
    8 Larry Walker 3rd 22.9% 148 58 17 69.7 43.1 56.4 55.4 1988 6907 1355 2160 383 1311 230 913 .313 .400 .565 .965 141 *9387/D45
    9 Mark McGwire 7th 19.5% 170 42 16 58.7 40.1 49.4 51.5 1874 6187 1167 1626 583 1414 12 1317 .263 .394 .588 .982 163 *3D/597
    10 Don Mattingly 13th 17.8% 134 34 14 39.8 34.4 37.1 51.5 1785 7003 1007 2153 222 1099 14 588 .307 .358 .471 .830 127 *3D97/548
    11 Dale Murphy 15th 14.5% 116 34 18 42.6 39.0 40.8 54.8 2180 7960 1197 2111 398 1266 161 986 .265 .346 .469 .815 121 *8*9372
    12 Rafael Palmeiro 3rd 12.6% 178 57 20 66.1 36.6 51.3 51.5 2831 10472 1663 3020 569 1835 97 1353 .288 .371 .515 .885 132 *3*D7/98
    13 Bernie Williams 2nd 9.6% 134 48 16 45.9 35.7 40.8 54.8 2076 7869 1366 2336 287 1257 147 1069 .297 .381 .477 .858 125 *8D9/7
    14 Barry Bonds 1st 340 76 22 158.1 71.1 114.6 50.7 2986 9847 2227 2935 762 1996 514 2558 .298 .444 .607 1.051 182 *78D/9
    15 Roger Clemens 1st 332 73 24 133.9 64.0 99.0 57.8 709 179 5 31 0 12 0 13 .173 .236 .207 .443 17 354 184 3.12 143 1.173 709 707 0 4916.2 4185 363 1580 4672 *1
    16 Mike Piazza 1st 207 62 16 56.1 40.7 48.4 41.0 1912 6911 1048 2127 427 1335 17 759 .308 .377 .545 .922 143 *2D3
    17 Curt Schilling 1st 171 46 20 76.1 46.7 61.4 57.8 571 773 39 117 0 29 1 25 .151 .178 .171 .348 -9 216 146 3.46 127 1.137 569 436 22 3261.0 2998 347 711 3116 *1
    18 Kenny Lofton 1st 91 42 17 64.9 42.0 53.5 54.8 2103 8120 1528 2428 130 781 622 945 .299 .372 .423 .794 107 *87/D9
    19 Craig Biggio 1st 169 57 20 62.1 40.6 51.3 54.4 2850 10876 1844 3060 291 1175 414 1160 .281 .363 .433 .796 112 *4*287/D9
    20 Sammy Sosa 1st 202 52 18 54.8 42.2 48.5 55.4 2354 8813 1475 2408 609 1667 234 929 .273 .344 .534 .878 128 *98D/7
    21 David Wells 1st 88 40 21 49.2 29.0 39.1 57.8 660 178 8 23 0 5 0 3 .129 .148 .140 .289 -22 239 157 4.13 108 1.266 660 489 13 3439.0 3635 407 719 2201 *1
    22 Steve Finley 1st 72 36 19 40.4 30.4 35.4 54.8 2583 9397 1443 2548 304 1167 320 844 .271 .332 .442 .775 104 0 0 0.00 1.000 1 0 0 1.0 0 0 1 0 *897/D1
    23 Julio Franco 1st 58 42 23 39.7 29.1 34.4 54.4 2527 8677 1285 2586 173 1194 281 917 .298 .365 .417 .782 111 *6*4*3*D/579
    24 Reggie Sanders 1st 18 27 17 36.7 25.2 30.9 55.4 1777 6241 1037 1666 305 983 304 674 .267 .343 .487 .830 115 *9*78/D
    25 Shawn Green 1st 62 33 15 31.4 29.5 30.4 55.4 1951 7082 1129 2003 328 1070 162 744 .283 .355 .494 .850 120 *9387D
    26 Jeff Cirillo 1st 37 23 14 32.0 28.7 30.3 53.4 1617 5396 800 1598 112 727 63 563 .296 .366 .430 .796 102 0 0 0.00 2.000 1 0 0 1.0 0 0 2 1 *534D/671
    27 Woody Williams 1st 17 14 15 28.1 20.2 24.2 57.8 443 540 52 105 4 43 1 17 .194 .222 .267 .489 29 132 116 4.19 103 1.321 424 330 0 2216.1 2217 309 711 1480 *1
    28 Rondell White 1st 6 17 15 25.5 19.9 22.7 54.8 1474 5357 756 1519 198 768 94 360 .284 .336 .462 .799 108 *7*8D
    29 Ryan Klesko 1st 24 26 16 24.6 20.4 22.5 51.5 1736 5611 874 1564 278 987 91 817 .279 .370 .500 .870 128 *7*39/D
    30 Aaron Sele 1st 21 15 15 17.5 17.6 17.5 57.8 404 58 5 9 0 1 0 3 .155 .197 .190 .386 1 148 112 4.61 100 1.491 404 352 0 2153.0 2413 225 798 1407 *1
    31 Roberto Hernandez 1st 93 7 17 17.2 16.7 16.9 32.3 1010 2 0 1 0 0 0 0 .500 .500 .500 1.000 166 67 71 3.45 131 1.367 1010 3 326 1071.1 1002 96 462 945 *1
    32 Royce Clayton 1st 24 23 17 16.4 15.5 15.9 52.1 2108 7379 935 1904 110 723 231 565 .258 .312 .367 .679 78 *6/5D
    33 Jeff Conine 1st 22 23 17 16.2 15.2 15.7 50.7 2024 6957 870 1982 214 1071 54 671 .285 .347 .443 .789 107 *3*79D5
    34 Mike Stanton 1st 66 7 19 13.3 14.3 13.8 32.3 1178 24 3 8 0 3 0 1 .333 .360 .375 .735 96 68 63 3.92 112 1.352 1178 1 84 1114.0 1086 93 420 895 *1
    35 Sandy Alomar 1st 48 24 20 11.6 11.8 11.7 41.0 1377 4530 520 1236 112 588 25 212 .273 .309 .406 .716 86 *2/D3
    36 Jose Mesa 1st 113 1 19 9.6 12.1 10.8 32.3 1023 2 1 0 0 0 0 1 .000 .333 .000 .333 -3 80 109 4.36 100 1.472 1022 95 321 1548.2 1629 151 651 1038 *1
    37 Todd Walker 1st 10 22 12 8.3 8.9 8.6 54.4 1288 4554 647 1316 107 545 66 421 .289 .348 .435 .783 98 *453D/76
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  2. 11-29-12 06:07 PM #2
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    Edgaaaaarrr
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  3. 11-29-12 06:09 PM #3
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    Hopefully Murphy finally gets in
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  4. 11-29-12 06:10 PM #4
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    -Jack Morris
    -Craig Biggio
    -Roger Clemens
    -Jeff Bagwell


    That's about it.
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  5. 11-29-12 06:13 PM #5
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    Morris, bags, smith, edgar, schilling and my hometown guy sandy
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  6. 11-29-12 06:16 PM #6
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    id love to hear someone explain with a straight face why lee smith isn't already in the hall of fame based on other closers who are in
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  7. 11-29-12 06:33 PM #7
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    Quote Originally Posted by InTheDrink View Post
    id love to hear someone explain with a straight face why lee smith isn't already in the hall of fame based on other closers who are in
    Playing devils advocate here.

    Some say he was a compiler.
    Only led the league in saves 4 times in 18 years of closing.
    Bad 71 and 92 won loss record
    Lifetime 1.25 WH/IP ratio is high for a ninth inning closer
    Ordinary lifetime 3.03 ERA

    Take away the number of lifetime saves, Jeff Reardon had similar numbers.
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  8. 11-29-12 06:46 PM #8
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    What is the point of being on the ballot for ten years take them off
    Mcgwire,piazza,bagwell,mcgriff, Larry walker,biggio,bonds and Clemens all should be in
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  9. 11-29-12 06:46 PM #9
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    Playing devils advocate here.

    Some say he was a compiler.
    Only led the league in saves 4 times in 18 years of closing.
    Bad 71 and 92 won loss record
    Lifetime 1.25 WH/IP ratio is high for a ninth inning closer
    Ordinary lifetime 3.03 ERA

    Take away the number of lifetime saves, Jeff Reardon had similar numbers.
    it sounds like you agree? but....

    so was bert blyleven (who shouldnt be in, mind you)

    his era is in the same ballpark as the others who have gotten in....thats not an issue...particularly since his prime was in wrigley (his career era there is 3.27 so it's much better elsewhere)

    had he pitched for anyone other than the cubs he might still be the career leader for saves (a stretch but you get my point)

    here's a save conversion comparison

    Lee Smith
    478
    103
    82%
    Hoyt Wilhelm
    201
    63
    78%
    Rollie Fingers
    341
    109
    76%
    Bruce Sutter
    300
    101
    75%
    Goose Gossage
    310
    112
    73%
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  10. 12-11-12 11:42 PM #10
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    None of them are sure fire hall of Famers, Biggio & Morris probably the closest!

    Joe Wood & Lefty O'Doul not being in there is unfair!
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  11. 12-11-12 11:57 PM #11
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    dale murphy don mattingly
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