[BuddyBear]

Liberals. But the democrats of the 1960's are pretty much similar to the democrats today and it was the democrats opposing the civil rights act of 1964. So you can't say republicans have been on the wrong end of every civil issue in our history.

I guess. But it has changed. The parties are pretty much unrecognizable from what they were decades ago. But all political parties are like that. They are always evolving. By the end of the century, the Democrats and Republicans may re-flip again. Who knows.

I did not knock the Republican Party though. I said, in my opinion, the Republican Party needs to emphasize its strong suits (limited government, taxes, fiscal conservatism, government spending/debt, job creation programs, etc...). They cannot sit there talking about deporting immigrants, no gay marriage, abortion,....those are just losing issues that do not resonate with voters.

[ACoochy]

Here's an example of how the majority party negotiates. This news came out a few minutes ago.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -
The leader of the Senate's Democratic majority, Harry Reid, said he had conferred Wednesday morning with his Republican counterpart in the U.S. House of Representatives, Speaker John Boehner, and both had agreed not to "draw any lines in the sand" for the time being.

At the same time, Reid stressed that Democrats were not likely to budge from their standard negotiating position, that tax increases should apply to the wealthy, not those in the middle class or below.

Boehner will make his case a day after American voters gave Obama a second term, but maintained a divided government, with Republicans still in control of the House and Democrats still holding the Senate.

Boehner will argue that Republicans and Democrats must "take steps together," a spokesman said in a press release.

Basically, the Democrats idea of negotiating is cramming their agenda down the the throats of the minority party. When they resist the Democrats say see the Republicans won't negotiate.

And neither should dems budge from their position as they are the one's in power, just like you'd expect the same from yours if they had won.

The sheer hypocrisy is absolutely astounding...

[BeerDog99]

John, respectfully your position on the rights of the minority government is just silly in my humble opinion.

By that logic (and how the Republicans are acting), the minority has the "right" to stuff their agenda down the throughts of the majority by just digging in their heels until they get their way. No compromise.

Then in four years, the Republican right complains loudly how Obama and the Democrats have not been able to do/fix anything!

It is a self fulfilling prophesy that hurts your country as a whole.

In summary Obama had approx. 2years at the beginning of his first term to try and fix things but the economic environment was so horrible it was just not possible. After that, the Republicans came in with their Tea Party fanatics and dug in their heels to execute the over all plan to make Obama fail as their #1 priority (ref: Mitch M.). That is all. If the US has another 4 years of this minority based obstinance at fixing things in a collaborative manor, not only will Obama fail, I fear your country (and by virtue my country) will be in for a world of economic hurt nobody is prepared for.

Compromise takes two parties, not just the minority (nor the majority) forcing everything that they want.

My opinion, forget politics for the next 3 years and get your governments (all houses and parties) to fix things. Then start Politics back up and try to fix the broken republican party for another 1 year long election cycle!

Cheers and all the best!

[BeerDog99]

This.....

The sheer hypocrisy is absolutely astounding...

[SamDiamond]

We did not elect a majority of Republicans to the House for compromises that leads the country into bankruptcy and economic collapse. You missed my point about our Constitutional rights as the minority party. It is the Democrats that MUST compromise if they ever want to pass a budget. It's either that or they must win a majority in the House which they did not do. Their only other alternative is to pass a constitutional amendment or declare the republic a monarchy or stage a coup.

The point is when you hear about compromise keep in mind they are the majority. They MUST negotiate with the minority, the Republicans, or face stalemate. They refuse to and would rather pretend they don't need to. Every president has had to. Reagan did both Bush's and certainly Clinton did. As I said they have to, they don't have a choice.

Actually that isn't the way it works at all.

The GOP congress is 1/3 of the voting block, that's it.

The don't get to mandate policy If they don't want to compromise, then don't offer them a budget to say no to. If Obama's smart, and if he learned anything, he can extend a great deal of pressure onto the GOP to get what he wants.

[Money]

It's disturbing to me that people are claiming that the money spent on the war is Bush's fault. Do y'all realize we were attacked on our own soil by individuals who want nothing other than to destroy America at any cost? Do you realize we already tried to sit down with them and negotiate? That didn't work. 9/11 happened and for us to do nothing about it would've been outrageous. We stopped future attacks from happening and we ended the terriorists influence in their respective countries. During Obamas first campaign, he pleaded that he would get all our of troops home within his first year. Then he got into office and learned of the things going on that the public doesn't know and he took 3 years to remove them. Now he's sending troops to Kuwait. Defense spending is not the problem, unnessecary spending on our own people that are too lazy to provide for themselves is the problem. It's not the governments fault that people were too lazy to finish high school or too lazy to go find a job. America is full of opportunities, yet, we have a large population that would rather do whatever they want and be taken care of.

[TheGuesser]

It's disturbing to me that people are claiming that the money spent on the war is Bush's fault. Do y'all realize we were attacked on our own soil by individuals who want nothing other than to destroy America at any cost? Do you realize we already tried to sit down with them and negotiate? That didn't work. 9/11 happened and for us to do nothing about it would've been outrageous. We stopped future attacks from happening and we ended the terriorists influence in their respective countries. During Obamas first campaign, he pleaded that he would get all our of troops home within his first year. Then he got into office and learned of the things going on that the public doesn't know and he took 3 years to remove them. Now he's sending troops to Kuwait. Defense spending is not the problem, unnessecary spending on our own people that are too lazy to provide for themselves is the problem. It's not the governments fault that people were too lazy to finish high school or too lazy to go find a job. America is full of opportunities, yet, we have a large population that would rather do whatever they want and be taken care of.

Do you realize that Bush started a war with the WRONG Country over 9/11 and we've spent TRILLIONS in pursuit of that war. That money, and taxing the wealthy appropriately, would have many of the Country's fiscal woes solved. Far more than the few abusers of the system on the bottom end of the economic scale.

[DwightShrute]

Do you realize that Bush started a war with the WRONG Country over 9/11 and we've spent TRILLIONS in pursuit of that war. That money, and taxing the wealthy appropriately, would have many of the Country's fiscal woes solved. Far more than the few abusers of the system on the bottom end of the economic scale.

I agree I suppose but what was the RIGHT country?

[frostno98]

The economy is recovering slowly but surely. I'm glad to see Obama get credit for it when it will happen.

[BettingWizard]

I personally don't think there is a problem.

And this is exactly why the republican party will be dead within 10 years. You get your shit handed to you, and still think there are no adjustments to be made. Keep holding onto your pitiful house majority. After that is inevitably gone, I can't wait to see the coffin close on this Party.

[EmpireMaker]

Do you realize that Bush started a war with the WRONG Country over 9/11 and we've spent TRILLIONS in pursuit of that war. That money, and taxing the wealthy appropriately, would have many of the Country's fiscal woes solved. Far more than the few abusers of the system on the bottom end of the economic scale.

This

[ByeShea]

Get off the guys nuts sheman.

Can't ask a fukkin question without someone hugging the nut.

Unreal

Are you a an idiot or am I a genius?

Just answer my question, is all I ask.

[Shafted69]

Are you a an idiot or am I a genius?

Just answer my question, is all I ask.

How about you answer my question.

I see you have 669 points there. So what's taking you so long to pay up 100 points you lost to me?

[PAULYPOKER]

How about you answer my question.

I see you have 669 points there. So what's taking you so long to pay up 100 points you lost to me?

If this is political and he is right minded you will be stiffed........

[Fishhead]

Do you realize that Bush started a war with the WRONG Country over 9/11 and we've spent TRILLIONS in pursuit of that war. That money, and taxing the wealthy appropriately, would have many of the Country's fiscal woes solved. Far more than the few abusers of the system on the bottom end of the economic scale.

The country cannot afford another GOP president..................ever.

[DwightShrute]

The country cannot afford another GOP president..................ever.

what? Unreal anyone wants 4 more years of the moron that's in office now. Unreal!

[Thor4140]

The real problem is all the free handouts. I think we all know what people will do for a free pizza around here, now imagine a free cell phone, $200 month free food, free housing, $500 per child per month, how can you compete against that. These programs will grow in great numbers over the next 4 years, the GOP will have to bend a little in order to ever have a chance again. Once your on the govt tit, they don't make it easy for you to leave.

Free handouts. Lets see who gets the most free handouts and who they vote for

Red State conservatives are forever whining about people who suck the government tit. They claim they are overtaxed to pay for the tit-suckers.

The truth is, it is those very states, the red whiners who suck the tit, while it is the blue states who are over taxed to pay for them. Here's the list.

States Receiving Most in Federal Spending Per Dollar of Federal Taxes Paid:

1. D.C. ($6.17)
2. North Dakota ($2.03)
3. New Mexico ($1.89)
4. Mississippi ($1.84)
5. Alaska ($1.82)
6. West Virginia ($1.74)
7. Montana ($1.64)
8. Alabama ($1.61)
9. South Dakota ($1.59)
10. Arkansas ($1.53)

Here are the Top 10 states that supply feed for the federal trough (with Blue States highlighted in bold):

States Receiving Least in Federal Spending Per Dollar of Federal Taxes Paid:

1. New Jersey ($0.62)
2. Connecticut ($0.64)
3. New Hampshire ($0.68)
4. Nevada ($0.73)
5. Illinois ($0.77)
6. Minnesota ($0.77)
7. Colorado ($0.79)
8. Massachusetts ($0.79)
9. California ($0.81)
10. New York ($0.81)

So,how about you red state tit-suckers start paying your share....naw, you'd rather whine.




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[Thor4140]

John, this is the straw argument I don't understand with the GOP.

I'm assuming you were a Reagan supporter, were you worried when he was running up record deficits (for the time)?

Were you worried when Bush II was creating the largest expansion of medicare in history?

Or are you only worried about spending because a democrat is in office?

nah he never saw any of that. He has marketed selective vision at the highest of levels. His post shows u why he was on the losing end. Full of lies yet he thinks what he is saying is the truth. Go figure.

[Thor4140]

Do you realize that Bush started a war with the WRONG Country over 9/11 and we've spent TRILLIONS in pursuit of that war. That money, and taxing the wealthy appropriately, would have many of the Country's fiscal woes solved. Far more than the few abusers of the system on the bottom end of the economic scale.

Fox news crowd has never heard that the war in Iraq was the wrong war so cut the guy a break. They have taken poll after poll showing how uninformed Fox News watchers are. They still think Saddam was the one who attacked us on 9/11

[ByeShea]

How about you answer my question.

I see you have 669 points there. So what's taking you so long to pay up 100 points you lost to me?

Ah, the piper. It's time to pay you and I'm trying but it won't take. I don't know why, is there anything more to it than clocking that coin?

[dante1]

I agree I suppose but what was the RIGHT country?

You're kidding right, we all know it wasn't Iraq.

[DwightShrute]

You're kidding right, we all know it wasn't Iraq.

the point that you missed was he said we attached the wrong one. Insinuating that we should have attacked a different one?

[paranoyd androyd]

My takes:

1) Republican Party has basically become a party of white, religious zealots, rural, and poorly educated males with all its political power concentrated in the deep South and the fly over states (i.e. Rust Belt region).

2) If the Republican Party ever wants to become relevant again it needs to talk more about fiscal conservatism, small government, and limiting taxes. Republicans should stop with the social issues and cut the fanatical anti-illegal immigrant rhetoric from their campaigns. On almost every social issue throughout the history of this great country, Republicans (e.g. political conservatives) have been on the wrong side of history.

3) Anyone who stayed up and saw the Romney concession speech could not help but notice that the audience was basically all white. Anyone who stayed up even later and saw Obama's victory speech saw how truly diverse the audience was. That audience truly reflected America. There is no way that the current Republican Party can sustain itself with the changing demographics. Republican Party has to have much better outreach programs and policies that are not perceived as favoring the wealthy all the time.

that's all romney focused on, but still lost. he hammered away on fiscal conservatism, smaller gov't, and lowering taxes. absolutely hammered on those issues. and yet, even during one of the lowest financial times for the country, this message still did not resonate.

this points to a much larger and scarier problem for the country, which is simply this... the majority of people now do not actually believe in any of these tenets. 'conservative' now carries a negative connotation. and people actually want socialism.

[SamDiamond]

that's all romney focused on, but still lost. he hammered away on fiscal conservatism, smaller gov't, and lowering taxes. absolutely hammered on those issues. and yet, even during one of the lowest financial times for the country, this message still did not resonate.

this points to a much larger and scarier problem for the country, which is simply this... the majority of people now do not actually believe in any of these tenets. 'conservative' now carries a negative connotation. and people actually want socialism.

That's a big leap from rejecting Romney to wanting socialism.

Perhaps Americans do not want what Romney is selling. The best exit poll conducted in Ohio by Ohio State asked questions regarding the fairness of taxation. Surprisingly, those polled didn't object to be taxed, they wanted a fair tax system, and didn't think Romney 15% federal tax rate was "fair".

They saw Romney as part of a larger business class that uses middle america for their ends.

That is what the GOP is facing. If they want to reclaim the presidency, they need a candidate that reaches to the middle class.

[mikejamm]

Hey republicans! You're running out of old rich white fuks! It's all about the demographics now! In 2008 Latinos were 12% of the voting block. In 2012, it's now 17%! Do you here the death bell repub idiots? You party lacks the diversity it will take to lead our country into the future. And by the time you narrow mind Mitch McConnell inbred hillbillys figure it out, it will be way too late. Hell you're already fuk'ed and the pure proof was shown by voters on Tuesday night. Watch what happens in the 2016 election, Georgia and Texas win be in play and could very well turn blue. And when that happens, watch Texas opie take a shit in "his" magic underwear! Habla Espanol?

[Tully Mars 63]

Ah, the piper. It's time to pay you and I'm trying but it won't take. I don't know why, is there anything more to it than clocking that coin?

As a non-pro I don't think you can give him any more then 2 or 3 points per day. maybe contact John or Lou and see if they can help?

[Mantle7]

that's all romney focused on, but still lost. He hammered away on fiscal conservatism, smaller gov't, and lowering taxes. Absolutely hammered on those issues. And yet, even during one of the lowest financial times for the country, this message still did not resonate.

This points to a much larger and scarier problem for the country, which is simply this... The majority of people now do not actually believe in any of these tenets. 'conservative' now carries a negative connotation. And people actually want socialism.

this

[Mantle7]

Hey republicans! You're running out of old rich white fuks! It's all about the demographics now! In 2008 Latinos were 12% of the voting block. In 2012, it's now 17%! Do you here the death bell repub idiots? You party lacks the diversity it will take to lead our country into the future. And by the time you narrow mind Mitch McConnell inbred hillbillys figure it out, it will be way too late. Hell you're already fuk'ed and the pure proof was shown by voters on Tuesday night. Watch what happens in the 2016 election, Georgia and Texas win be in play and could very well turn blue. And when that happens, watch Texas opie take a shit in "his" magic underwear! Habla Espanol?

Wow... Congratulations. Latinos having 8 children living in a 1 bedroom house while on welfare. You must be so proud.

[dante1]

The only R gentleman, thank you SBR J.

[jwater]

That's a big leap from rejecting Romney to wanting socialism.

Perhaps Americans do not want what Romney is selling. The best exit poll conducted in Ohio by Ohio State asked questions regarding the fairness of taxation. Surprisingly, those polled didn't object to be taxed, they wanted a fair tax system, and didn't think Romney 15% federal tax rate was "fair".

They saw Romney as part of a larger business class that uses middle america for their ends.

That is what the GOP is facing. If they want to reclaim the presidency, they need a candidate that reaches to the middle class.

Looks to me like the middle class realized who the better candidate was...

[Shafted69]

Ah, the piper. It's time to pay you and I'm trying but it won't take. I don't know why, is there anything more to it than clocking that coin?

for the next 50 days, just pay me 2 points a day which is the max you can do as a non pro.

[Fishhead]

Had many Latino girlfriends, they are wonderful.


Congrats again to Mr Obama


May go down as top five President all-time.

[Inkwell77]

that's all romney focused on, but still lost. he hammered away on fiscal conservatism, smaller gov't, and lowering taxes. absolutely hammered on those issues. and yet, even during one of the lowest financial times for the country, this message still did not resonate.

this points to a much larger and scarier problem for the country, which is simply this... the majority of people now do not actually believe in any of these tenets. 'conservative' now carries a negative connotation. and people actually want socialism.

lol

If you believe what you just wrote you are a moron.
How you could ever make the jump from a POLITICIAN TALKING (without any readable justifiable plans lol, and without any sort of recent history of this actually happening lol) about fiscal conservatism/limiting taxes to Americans wanting socialism is absolutely hilarious.


The Republican party panders to the Hardcore Christians and the Wealthy. I would argue this is not what the majority of Americans are.
If you think voting against a party that legislates for those two groups of people is a vote for socialism.... well I'm not sure what to tell you.

[EmpireMaker]

Amazing how many closet Mormons there are and how many people that love trickle down deficits

[shari91]

Amazing how many closet Mormons there are and how many people that love trickle down deficits

I'm more amazed at how many people in 2012 still fail to understand what the word socialism even means. Maybe if they did they'd realise how clueless they looked every time they tried to use that as a relevant slur in a modern-day first world country.