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    I think this bet is winner... book grade it as Lost, what u think

    1 No (8th Drive) MIN Vikings @ SEA Seahawks
    (Make 1st Down on Current Drive)
    04/11/2012 None +138 Lost

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    No 8th drive was a 3 and out for seattle. http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/drivec...meId=321104026

    They did gain 14 yards but they were first backed up by a 5 yard penalty. (drive 8 started at 11:46 on the game clock) http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/playby...04026&period=2

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    Who wins, yes or no ?


    Quote Originally Posted by tto827 View Post
    No 8th drive was a 3 and out for seattle. http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/drivec...meId=321104026

    They did gain 14 yards but they were first backed up by a 5 yard penalty. (drive 8 started at 11:46 on the game clock) http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/playby...04026&period=2

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    I don't know the answer. Dude if you are betting on individual drives you should know all the rules. Lol

    Bol

    I got hammered by a similar deal 3 weeks ago on calling the Arkansas/ Kentucky game. Was up 49-7 late in the 3rd.

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    Drive No. 8....

    Seattle Seahawks at 11:46 MIN SEA
    1st and 10 at SEA 20 R.Wilson pass short left to S.Rice to SEA 20 for no gain (A.Jefferson). PENALTY on MIN-A.Jefferson, Illegal Contact, 5 yards, enforced at SEA 20 - No Play.
    1st and 10 at SEA 25 (Shotgun) M.Lynch right guard to SEA 32 for 7 yards (C.Greenway).
    2nd and 3 at SEA 32 R.Turbin up the middle to SEA 34 for 2 yards (F.Evans, K.Williams).
    3rd and 1 at SEA 34 M.Robinson up the middle to SEA 34 for no gain (E.Henderson; C.Greenway).
    4th and 1 at SEA 34 J.Ryan punts 41 yards to MIN 25, Center-C.Gresham. M.Sherels to MIN 24 for -1 yards (H.Farwell).
    DRIVE TOTALS: MIN 14, SEA 14, 3 plays, 14 yards, 2:20 elapsed

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidchong View Post
    Who wins, yes or no ?
    No, there was no first down on that drive. So yes you should have won. You should give them a call.

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    thanks, email sent. let see what is the answer from they,

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    Done, book regrade the bet.

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    1st down on the penalty

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Bogey View Post
    1st down on the penalty
    Good point sort of... I thought it was an offensive penalty, ESPN is wrong this should be looked at cause it should have been first and 5. I have no idea, but if the book regraded, then it probably was no first down. I am guessing after the 5 yard penalty, he ran for two yards not 7, so 2nd and 3 was correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidchong View Post
    Drive No. 8....

    Seattle Seahawks at 11:46 MIN SEA
    1st and 10 at SEA 20 R.Wilson pass short left to S.Rice to SEA 20 for no gain (A.Jefferson). PENALTY on MIN-A.Jefferson, Illegal Contact, 5 yards, enforced at SEA 20 - No Play.
    1st and 10 at SEA 25 (Shotgun) M.Lynch right guard to SEA 32 for 7 yards (C.Greenway).
    2nd and 3 at SEA 32 R.Turbin up the middle to SEA 34 for 2 yards (F.Evans, K.Williams).
    3rd and 1 at SEA 34 M.Robinson up the middle to SEA 34 for no gain (E.Henderson; C.Greenway).
    4th and 1 at SEA 34 J.Ryan punts 41 yards to MIN 25, Center-C.Gresham. M.Sherels to MIN 24 for -1 yards (H.Farwell).
    DRIVE TOTALS: MIN 14, SEA 14, 3 plays, 14 yards, 2:20 elapsed
    Based on this, the offense was awarded an automatic 1st down on the penalty. Otherwise it would have been 1st and 5. Then the 7 yard run would have been a 1st down anyway, so there was definitely a 1st down on that drive either way

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Bogey View Post
    Based on this, the offense was awarded an automatic 1st down on the penalty. Otherwise it would have been 1st and 5. Then the 7 yard run would have been a 1st down anyway, so there was definitely a 1st down on that drive either way
    Ya, you are right, illegal contact IS an automatic first down, this should have been a loss, unless there rules state something about it not being earned on a penalty, which I highly doubt.

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    davidchong.....you must make 50 bets on a typical Sunday!

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    Bet says MAKE first down.

    That's a penalty resulting in a 1st down, but since it's a penalty, it's considered a no play, so they didn't MAKE the first down on that drive..

    It can go either way but that would be my defense

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    It counts as a made 1st down in official NFL stats. 1st down by penalty

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    I would say a first down was made. Pretty clear.

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    how the hell did your book regrade that bet.


    that was clearly ILLEGAL CONTACT, 5 YARD PENALTY AUTOMATIC FIRST DOWN.


    thus there was in fact a first down. no argument. no controversy. you lost the bet

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4TH AND STUPID View Post
    how the hell did your book regrade that bet.


    that was clearly ILLEGAL CONTACT, 5 YARD PENALTY AUTOMATIC FIRST DOWN.


    thus there was in fact a first down. no argument. no controversy. you lost the bet
    Absolutely correct the OP lost. But I won't tell anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monitor-Tan View Post
    Bet says MAKE first down.

    That's a penalty resulting in a 1st down, but since it's a penalty, it's considered a no play, so they didn't MAKE the first down on that drive..

    It can go either way but that would be my defense
    Semantics. Since a first down by penalty counts as a first down in the stats, it is essentially a "made" first down.

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