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johnnyvegas13BARRELED IN @ SBR!
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budwiserSBR MVP
- 11-22-11
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#37Durant is getting hounded, and not getting calls.
As long as the Celtics can beat him up, the Nets can't win.
Of course when you're playing in Boston, the fans are going to cheer on any Celtics fouls, and any fouls against the Nets is going against World Peace.
And Nash just isn't doing a good job. Brown played well last game, but he should have subbed out Brown long ago and they would have gotten game 1. I don't know what's in this guy's head-reportedly word around the league is he struggles to make in-game adjustments.
Do the Nets have the better talent? Yes, without Williams no question. Are they the better team? No, they are not. They are not a mature team, every time they get the lead they start playing sloppy, throwing the ball around.
There's always next year, but Durant will be 34 off achilles surgery and imo that'll be the end of the Nets.Comment -
budwiserSBR MVP
- 11-22-11
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#38As for Irving, the guy handed the team the first win, they couldn't put it together. Brown with 1 rebound in 37 minutes has to be the joke of the Nets year. nash not subbing him out in game 1 has to be joke #2
Yeah Irving is all over the place, but you have to finish out game 1, and you're going back 1-1 and it's a totally different series.
But they don't have the toughness. You look at a Yannis, Embiid, Curry, Joker, the list goes on and on, these guys are TOUGH and they don't give up leads easily. These Nets give up leads like they're handing out sympathy flyers.
Now it's just desperation time.
FYI unrelated looks like Booker is out 2-3 weeks.Comment -
budwiserSBR MVP
- 11-22-11
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#39I was listening to the Nets pregame, Nash said he's looking over the tape and talks about how they didn't rebound in game 1. they were watching.
This is his problem. He has to look over tape and figure it out. It was happening all game. Brown was adding nothing. And on the other end, it was 4 on 5. it's always 4 on 5 out there, and Nash HAS to do something about it. You can put in claxton with drummond and crash the boards. but he doesn't do anything. Nobody has a clue what guy is going to be out there at any time, unless it's Durant Kyrie or Brown. The rest of the guys have to wonder. And of course Blake and Aldridge never play, and as a result the Nets are small and they get physically manhandled and wear down.
Sometimes superstars are just not meant to be head coaches. With a coach Bud, a pop, a McMillan, a mature head coach with years of experience, the Nets are well handled. I don't understand how you give a prime head coaching job with a team looking to win a title that year to a guy with 0 experience coaching.
They will most likely fire Nash after the season, but it's probably too late, this was the year, as was last. A 34 year old Durant, and I don't know where they're going to get help with other players.Comment -
IBetYouSBR Hall of Famer
- 07-03-15
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#40As for Irving, the guy handed the team the first win, they couldn't put it together. Brown with 1 rebound in 37 minutes has to be the joke of the Nets year. nash not subbing him out in game 1 has to be joke #2
Yeah Irving is all over the place, but you have to finish out game 1, and you're going back 1-1 and it's a totally different series.
But they don't have the toughness. You look at a Yannis, Embiid, Curry, Joker, the list goes on and on, these guys are TOUGH and they don't give up leads easily. These Nets give up leads like they're handing out sympathy flyers.
Now it's just desperation time.
FYI unrelated looks like Booker is out 2-3 weeks.Comment -
IBetYouSBR Hall of Famer
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#41Looking like a Mavs/ Celtics final to me right now though.Comment -
budwiserSBR MVP
- 11-22-11
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#42The Nash situation actually goes back to minority hiring. You say how.
How many times do black guys get head coaching jobs with no experience. They're set to fail, then they bring in the white coach.
For example, in football look at Notre Dame. They bring in Marcus Freeman, a 36 year old guy with 0 head coaching experience, was linebackers coach. At least be an offensive or defensive coordinator. You watch, this guy is going to fail then they'll bring in a white guy at a big contract.
That's how it works. That's the reality, not this "Rooney rule" b ull s made up by some grandiose Steeler owner.Comment -
budwiserSBR MVP
- 11-22-11
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#43Was thinking the same the Celtics look tough...may have to switch over for my title pick. gotta wait until the Nets lose tho (which obviously looks likely)
Without Middleton they will coast to the Eastern Conference finals, and Miami and Philly will battle it out. Before yesterday, all thoughts were the Celts would be in a battle, turns out the Bux are now clinging to life. I know the Bux well...can someoene tell me who is going to shoot the ball for that team now.Comment -
IBetYouSBR Hall of Famer
- 07-03-15
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#44The Nash situation actually goes back to minority hiring. You say how.
How many times do black guys get head coaching jobs with no experience. They're set to fail, then they bring in the white coach.
For example, in football look at Notre Dame. They bring in Marcus Freeman, a 36 year old guy with 0 head coaching experience, was linebackers coach. At least be an offensive or defensive coordinator. You watch, this guy is going to fail then they'll bring in a white guy at a big contract.
That's how it works. That's the reality, not this "Rooney rule" b ull s made up by some grandiose Steeler owner.Comment -
budwiserSBR MVP
- 11-22-11
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#45Would it surprise you if I told you no less than 5 black guys got a head coaching job this season with no prior experience in the big seat? Including Udoka? About time they gave a coach from the European leagues a chance imo -they'd sooner give someone from the WNBA (like Becky Hammon) a chance.
Owners need guys in their corner. The last thing they need is a guy like Brian Flores who claims racism and disgraces the owner. the team is only one small piece of the owners' lives, I know it's hard to believe but these guys are usually in charge of billion dollar empires and thousands sometimes tens of thousands of employees, they need to take care of. teams are a toy to these guysComment -
IBetYouSBR Hall of Famer
- 07-03-15
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#46Bos/ Udoka: Just picking up from where Stevens left off. They got Horford back so that made a big impact obviously.
Por/ Billups: Total flop. He wanted them to play like his Pistons teams...
NO/ Green: Good coach. Best of the bunch I suspect.
Orl/ Mosley
Was/ UnseldComment -
IBetYouSBR Hall of Famer
- 07-03-15
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#47Thing about Nash is he was a 2-time MVP and a 6ft white guy... that's an extraordinary achievement. Talk about going against the grain! His success was a result of his IQ and diligence -these are things people look for when giving somebody a job, not how high they can jump nor how tall they are. How many of the guys in the list above made an extraordinary achievement?Comment -
jjgoldSBR Aristocracy
- 07-20-05
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#48I got I 4-2 CeltsComment -
budwiserSBR MVP
- 11-22-11
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#49
Billups got an offer to coach I forget which team, declined.Comment -
budwiserSBR MVP
- 11-22-11
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#50Thing about Nash is he was a 2-time MVP and a 6ft white guy... that's an extraordinary achievement. Talk about going against the grain! His success was a result of his IQ and diligence -these are things people look for when giving somebody a job, not how high they can jump nor how tall they are. How many of the guys in the list above made an extraordinary achievement?
You look at Jason Kidd, what a hire. These guys with EXPERIENCE, that's what you need. I'm an old Gen X guy, so is Nash-so I figured he would do great. He just isn't.Comment -
jjgoldSBR Aristocracy
- 07-20-05
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#51Celts defense why they won
Durant was locked down like never before 2 straight gamesComment -
shadymcgradySBR Posting Legend
- 02-27-12
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#52Durant was awful by his standards in game 1, Kyrie in game 2. I thought these guys were supposed to win games for their team not lose themComment -
budwiserSBR MVP
- 11-22-11
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#54
At 57 years old, doing commentary for years on national tv on the #1 games with Jeff Van Gundy, his communication skills are elite and he is well-seasoned
The Warrirors were 51-31 when he got fired. The Warriors got better in all 3 years he was there
that guy HAS to feel slighted, as you said they pick up 5 other black coaches without experience, which is crazy
The problem is, these GMs have big egos. And hiring a guy who can be more experienced and talented than them requires them to check their egos at the door-which is just not generally gonna happen
Supposedly Lakers considering Jackson. I can't imagine what he could do with that mess of a team, but this is what happens to these black coaches.
The cynical part of me says these guys want to hire them young to get them gone in a few years, say hey we're not racist and move on. Depends on how my day's going lolComment -
IBetYouSBR Hall of Famer
- 07-03-15
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#55budwiser, type Andrew Bogut & Mark Jackson into your search engine. Among other things he said Jackson's lockerroom was like a church recruitment service...2-timed his wife yet preaching to others
He does well on TV. Got a sense of humour.Comment -
budwiserSBR MVP
- 11-22-11
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#56Lost his coaching career over a marginal white australian? God man life ain't fairComment -
budwiserSBR MVP
- 11-22-11
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#57Know why jeff van gundy doesn't coach? Did he retire? I hear back in the day he was stressed.Comment -
IBetYouSBR Hall of Famer
- 07-03-15
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#58jvg was a mediocre coach. Don't like his tv personality either -like a poor man's Woody Allen. When D'Antoni was bringing over the Euro style of play at the turn of the century jvg was going in the opposite direction. Idiot. His brother had a better idea of how to do things hence he lasted longer.Comment -
budwiserSBR MVP
- 11-22-11
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#59Jeff and mark got the dry comedy routine going, for better or worse
Dantoni's rockets with paul harden were a thing to watch. A paul hamstring away from possibly upsetting the warriors in their prime. People said 2 guards wouldn't work. Those were the days. People loved or hated the rocketsComment -
Goat MilkBARRELED IN @ SBR!
- 03-24-10
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#60Durant is getting hounded, and not getting calls.
As long as the Celtics can beat him up, the Nets can't win.
Of course when you're playing in Boston, the fans are going to cheer on any Celtics fouls, and any fouls against the Nets is going against World Peace.
And Nash just isn't doing a good job. Brown played well last game, but he should have subbed out Brown long ago and they would have gotten game 1. I don't know what's in this guy's head-reportedly word around the league is he struggles to make in-game adjustments.
Do the Nets have the better talent? Yes, without Williams no question. Are they the better team? No, they are not. They are not a mature team, every time they get the lead they start playing sloppy, throwing the ball around.
There's always next year, but Durant will be 34 off achilles surgery and imo that'll be the end of the Nets.
Also, Boston's role players are hitting everything. Horford, Theis and Grant Williams are role players for a reason. I think Grant Williams had 17 points on 4 shot attempts. Yeah....Lol. Even NBA superstars don't do that.
Theis and Horford are hitting 3s like they're 3 point champions. You're talking about age, Horford is like 36 yrs old. I'll keep giving those guys those shots. They won't go in for 7 games.
Gotta pay attention to those details. The game isn't all about Durant Irving Brown and Tatum.Cause Sleep is the Cousin of DeathComment -
Goat MilkBARRELED IN @ SBR!
- 03-24-10
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#61
Granted, I don't know if Nets are gonna make it through this series, which is why we're getting these odds at +1400, but if they do get through it, and Simmons is back, I think this is the most complete team.Cause Sleep is the Cousin of DeathComment -
shadymcgradySBR Posting Legend
- 02-27-12
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#62I don't think so. I think they're the most well balanced team with Simmons. I think people forget how good Ben Simmons actually is. Seth Curry is better than anyone on the celtics not named Smart Brown and Tatum. Goran Dragic is far better than any bench player on Boston. And yet Boston keeps hitting 3 after 3. It looks good now when 6'8 and up guys like Horford Theis and Williams are popping 3s. But those guys aren't dead eye snipers, and those shots won't fall for 7 games.
Granted, I don't know if Nets are gonna make it through this series, which is why we're getting these odds at +1400, but if they do get through it, and Simmons is back, I think this is the most complete team.
Be that as it may the nets don't have a strict formula for success that a true well rounded team such as the sun's out grizzlies have other than a jump shooting team that tries to capitalize on double teams to their stars.
But the biggest problem is that they don't have a dog on the team. As skilled as Durant and Kyrie are they are finesse players and don't tend to respond well to physicality. They needed a dog to hold the lead in game 2 and a dog to put them ahead for good in game 1.
With a team like Boston where Tatum and brown are comparable to Durant and Kyrie, Marcus smart has no competition and is feasting as the only dogComment -
ThrillaSBR Posting Legend
- 03-10-15
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#63Goater legendComment -
Goat MilkBARRELED IN @ SBR!
- 03-24-10
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#64That's alot of what ifs as opposed to the here and now. Simmons at best in a vacuum vs the fact that he hasn't played all year let alone finding rythym and chemistry with his new team. Potential is best reserved for the start of the season not must win scenarios in April and May.
Be that as it may the nets don't have a strict formula for success that a true well rounded team such as the sun's out grizzlies have other than a jump shooting team that tries to capitalize on double teams to their stars.
But the biggest problem is that they don't have a dog on the team. As skilled as Durant and Kyrie are they are finesse players and don't tend to respond well to physicality. They needed a dog to hold the lead in game 2 and a dog to put them ahead for good in game 1.
With a team like Boston where Tatum and brown are comparable to Durant and Kyrie, Marcus smart has no competition and is feasting as the only dogCause Sleep is the Cousin of DeathComment -
IBetYouSBR Hall of Famer
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#65Why did you give Thrilla a point for calling you a legend? Is that like giving him a kiss?Comment -
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#66Is it a good value to buy them now 0-3 in first round of playoffs?Comment -
CanuckGSBR Posting Legend
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#69Celtics too goodComment -
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