1. 10-10-12 07:18 AM #36
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    Cincy looks real easy
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  2. 10-10-12 07:21 AM #37
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  3. 10-10-12 07:45 AM #38
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    Zito, gonna be all crafty and shit
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  4. 10-10-12 09:13 AM #39
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    OP is a dumbfukk
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  5. 10-10-12 09:17 AM #40
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    GL, mate.
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  6. 10-10-12 09:31 AM #41
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    Zito vs Reds

    Bruce, 4-8 with 1 HR
    Frazier 1-2 with 1 HR
    Ludwick 5-18 with 1 HR
    Phillips 7-15
    Rolen 1-3
    Stubbs 4-8

    Votto not so hot 3-13

    Bottomline is Zito will have to pitch and duck today
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  7. 10-10-12 09:36 AM #42
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    Quote Originally Posted by rm18 View Post
    San Fran has won Zito's last 11 starts, Cincy is a lock(Kris Medlen theory)
    Why does it not surprise me that NYSG didn't know that?
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  8. 10-10-12 09:36 AM #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by Living The Dream View Post
    Zito vs Reds

    Bruce, 4-8 with 1 HR
    Frazier 1-2 with 1 HR
    Ludwick 5-18 with 1 HR
    Phillips 7-15
    Rolen 1-3
    Stubbs 4-8

    Votto not so hot 3-13

    Bottomline is Zito will have to pitch and duck today
    Not exactly a huge sample size.
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  9. 10-10-12 09:39 AM #44
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    Quote Originally Posted by No coincidences View Post
    Not exactly a huge sample size.
    Really?!?! 8 at bats is enough to figure out if a batter sees a pitcher well or not
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  10. 10-10-12 09:41 AM #45
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    Take it for what its worth but I think Zito's number are decent at GABP.

    Remember being in Vegas a few years ago and won a nice chunk on a game he pitched there.

    Lot of new guys on Reds now since then but he might feel good pitching there.
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  11. 10-10-12 09:41 AM #46
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    Here's hoping the Reds close it out today... Not making a play, but as a Reds fan, have a lot of faith they can close it today.
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  12. 10-10-12 11:08 AM #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYSportsGuy210 View Post
    Lincecum threw relief back on the 7th.....you don't throw him out there for 5-6 innings in an elimination game instead of Zito?

    I dunno.

    Never thought I'd see the day Zito got the nod over Lincecum in a playoff elimination game.
    If Lincecum was to be used as a starter, Bochy would have to have been brave and given him game 2 at AT&T over Bumgarner.

    At home, he may have been able to feed off the support from the crowd, which may have helped him pitch out of some tight jams which he has been getting into a lot this season. On the road in a playoff atmosphere and he may unravel if he allows a couple of early baserunners.

    Tough decision for Bochy either way, but if a team has won its last 11 games with a specific starter, they'd be hopeful of making it 12 in a win or bust game.

    No doubt Giants will need a huge amount of luck to win this game as they got last night with the error in the 10th. Either that or they need to remember to bring their bats when they come up to the plate as the offensive performance this series has been horrific, even by Giants standards of recent years.

    Go Giants.
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  13. 10-10-12 11:10 AM #48
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    Quote Originally Posted by delpiero7 View Post
    If Lincecum was to be used as a starter, Bochy would have to have been brave and given him game 2 at AT&T over Bumgarner.

    At home, he may have been able to feed off the support from the crowd, which may have helped him pitch out of some tight jams which he has been getting into a lot this season. On the road in a playoff atmosphere and he may unravel if he allows a couple of early baserunners.

    Tough decision for Bochy either way, but if a team has won its last 11 games with a specific starter, they'd be hopeful of making it 12 in a win or bust game.

    Fair point.
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  14. 10-10-12 11:18 AM #49
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    Quote Originally Posted by LT Profits View Post
    Haven't the Giants won like Zito's last 20 starts or something?
    Yeah & ATL had won Medlen's last 23 & it didn't help them either.
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  15. 10-10-12 11:36 AM #50
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    Quote Originally Posted by freakydave View Post
    Yeah & ATL had won Medlen's last 23 & it didn't help them either.
    Yeah, but its different in that Medlen was -160 against a pitcher with a 16-3 record a sub 3.00 ERA, whereas Zito is +120 with SF having won 11 straight of his starts going against Mike Leake, who finished the season 8-9 with a 4.50 ERA.

    Surely value on Giants here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by delpiero7 View Post
    Yeah, but its different in that Medlen was -160 against a pitcher with a 16-3 record a sub 3.00 ERA, whereas Zito is +120 with SF having won 11 straight of his starts going against Mike Leake, who finished the season 8-9 with a 4.50 ERA.

    Surely value on Giants here.
    Plus, Zito's been around the block. He won't be fazed by the pressure.

    I'm no Barry Zito fan -- just saying that given the number and the opposing pitcher, I'd be careful fading the Giants here.
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  17. 10-10-12 11:52 AM #52
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    it's not like leake is lights out.
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  18. 10-10-12 01:29 PM #53
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    I was about to lay money on the Reds until I read this thread. Good points on both sides. I now lean towards SF but I'll probably pass.

    I really enjoy discussions like these.
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  19. 10-10-12 01:33 PM #54
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    Quote Originally Posted by freakydave View Post
    Yeah & ATL had won Medlen's last 23 & it didn't help them either.
    Oh I have nothing on this game. I was just pointing out to the OP that starting Zito isn't the crazy notion he seems to think it is.
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  20. 10-10-12 01:44 PM #55
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    Quote Originally Posted by LT Profits View Post
    Haven't the Giants won like Zito's last 20 starts or something?
    San Francisco has won the last eleven games in which Zito has started but they've dropped each of his last four outings against the Reds. Play here is the OVER 8
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  21. 10-10-12 01:47 PM #56
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    Leake isn't that great but he can hit...Frazier is 3-5 off Zito lifetime w/a hr and Navarro hits lefties well. I see the Giants getting atleast 2-3 off Leake within 5 innings. I like Over 8
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  22. 10-10-12 01:49 PM #57
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYSportsGuy210 View Post
    I don't care if Dusty Baker is pitching for Cincinatti.....this is a no-brainer

    Gonna hammer Reds RL.
    Zito had a great season. He has regained his formed check the numbers he was 15-8 on the season and you know the Giants aren't a team that gives their pitchers run support.
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  23. 10-10-12 02:21 PM #58
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    Zito pitched well down the stretch. What other option is there? Lincecum? Guy was pretty bad this season.

    The play is clearly to go Zito Game 4 and then Cain on full rest in Game 5.

    Bringing back Cain on short rest doesn't help because the Giants need to win both games.
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  24. 10-10-12 02:32 PM #59
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    Quote Originally Posted by yisman View Post
    Zito pitched well down the stretch. What other option is there? Lincecum? Guy was pretty bad this season.

    The play is clearly to go Zito Game 4 and then Cain on full rest in Game 5.

    Bringing back Cain on short rest doesn't help because the Giants need to win both games.
    Thanks for copying and pasting my response, Yisser.
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  25. 10-10-12 02:46 PM #60
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    no problem
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  26. 10-10-12 02:48 PM #61
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    Zito throwing good ball as of lately...
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  27. 10-10-12 03:42 PM #62
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allure View Post
    Am I the only one who thinks Cincinnati is done? They had their chance to close it out but they pathetically blew it. People already bashing on Zito and so on. Reds are done, time to unload on Giants series win.
    Quote Originally Posted by Allure View Post

    Why would that be a reverse jinx? As of yet I have no wager placed, but I really consider placing a bet on Giants series win, before the series is tied. We are still talking about the Giants, they did make the post season for a reason, people act like Reds play the Astros.
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  28. 10-10-12 03:58 PM #63
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    I guess the op and others forgot how bad leake is. The only thing he has done well is steal shirts from local stores
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  29. 10-10-12 04:02 PM #64
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    Reds leave 5 on through 2 innings.

    Great start.
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  30. 10-10-12 04:03 PM #65
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    Wtt...that is correct.
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  31. 10-10-12 05:03 PM #66
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    5-2 Giants

    Giants wins game 4 and the series

    Just as I said, so fukking listen to me
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  32. 10-10-12 05:19 PM #67
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    No question. Giants have this.
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  33. 10-10-12 06:24 PM #68
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    Quote Originally Posted by POTVINSUX View Post
    San Francisco has won the last eleven games in which Zito has started but they've dropped each of his last four outings against the Reds. Play here is the OVER 8
    Very good call. I forgot to consider this as Mike Leake was named the opposing pitcher cause of my hectic schedule today. Congrats Giants ML and RL backers.
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  34. 10-10-12 06:27 PM #69
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    I still think the Reds win this easy if SF doesn't replace Zito with Linsecum. They better hope Matt Latos brings his A+ game because its going to be damn near impossible to beat Matt Cain twice.
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  35. 10-10-12 06:34 PM #70
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYSportsGuy210 View Post
    Very good call. I forgot to consider this as Mike Leake was named the opposing pitcher cause of my hectic schedule today. Congrats Giants ML and RL backers.
    Guy makes a thread and a bet, but doesnt know who the starting pitchers are. Real sharp there.
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