[ABEHONEST]

This has puzzled me before? On the Miss/Auburn college football game.
The Heritage supervisor "claims" that they are holding a 5 1/2 pointspread, currently.
Okay, I believe him. But other sources say it's suppose to be a 6...and was a 6 1/2, the source stated earlier--a very reliable source, too.
When I called, and at the same time looked at their Miss. spread online, both say 5 1/2? But the source say's it 6 currently, and was 6 1/2? Of course, I was hoping for the 6 1/2 but it's no longer posted. Even SBR say's Heritage at 5 1/2? And SBR'S history says it never was 6 1/2, but it was once a 6.

It is supposed to be sitting on 6 now, again. Yet, their line says 5 1/2 . That is a major difference with pointspreads!
I'm certainly NOT accusing Heritage of lying, but wtf is going on?
Not the first time I've noticed "juicy" lines not available, yet they were "supposed to be available?"
Several times I've seen this.

*Any veteran member on here that can explain this to me where it makes commonsense, get's a 25 point bonus. I may have to email you though, for some "secretive info?" Sorry, my commonsense, not yours.

You must understand this: The 6 1/2 was supposed to be available for me, but it was not, and they sill are holding a 6, I understand, but can anyone find it?
Please help, you know I could go into a paranoia collapse?

[BigDaddy]

it's really simple

they have more than 1 set of lines.


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[jjgold]

Most books deal dual lines depending on your betting style

They use betting recognition software

[ABEHONEST]

it's really simple

they have more than 1 set of lines.


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You may be right Bigdaddy, but the supervisor stated "we only use one line," when I asked him that question, straight-up? BD, can you prove they are lying?

[ABEHONEST]

Most books deal dual lines depending on your betting style

They use betting recognition software

Same with you JJ, can we prove them being liars? After all, they have just about sunk my ship this football season, and any sucker, I mean any smart gambler, wants the "very best line available" for his possible edge!
Prove them lying and that person gets 50 points instead of 25!

[BigDaddy]

lol

keep your 25 points

get your good source to call them and you call them at the same time and see what line is offered to both accounts

record both calls and post it in this thread

prove it yourself.

[ABEHONEST]

I've already called them, and they claim not to know anything about line changes being "different?"
Who can see a 6 right now? Who saw a 6 1/2 earlier? Then I would have something to work with.
And, I can prove certain things but cannot prove them to be lying, presently.

[MBENZ]

Right now it has 6 on sports options but when I logged into my account it has 5.5.What does that tell you Abe?

[ngates815]

Log in with your name and check the spread. Take screen shot.
Have your friend that gets dealt a different line log in. Take screen shot.

Simple as that, no need to call them.

[ABEHONEST]

Good idea!
And thanks MBEDZ for your info.
This may take awhile, but I will get after the truth.

Check later today for any updates.

[ngates815]

Good idea!
And thanks MBEDZ for your info.
This may take awhile, but I will get after the truth.

Check later today for any updates.

I'd check for you now...But for some reason can't login to my heritage account. 5dimes has it at 5.5 though.

Good luck detective.

[ABEHONEST]

I'd check for you now...But for some reason can't login to my heritage account. 5dimes has it at 5.5 though.

Good luck detective.

I just checked again! They are still holding the 5 1/2 -08 pointspread?

[MonkeyF0cker]

Yeah. They're not a "recreational" book and they don't deal multiple linesets. If you believe anything Heritage says, you're a fool.

There is only slime that faces the U.S. now.

[RonPaul2008]

I can confirm that Heritage has multiple lines, but they are still a good book imo.

[lecubs28]

Most books deal dual lines depending on your betting style

They use betting recognition software

this is completely false.

only two books do this - heritage and bodog. very scummy tactic, not even legal in vegas.

[richsox24]

I thought I remember reading or hearing somewhere that Heritage denied posting dual lines. Is Heritage caught in a lie or am I missing something?

[MonkeyF0cker]

this is completely false.

only two books do this - heritage and bodog. very scummy tactic, not even legal in vegas.

There are others. Doesn't excuse it though.

[ABEHONEST]

I just received some more information about Heritage and the idea of them, possibly, "dealing" two lines.
The supervisor plainly stated on the phone conversation earlier that they do not have but one sports line.
All my information and phone calls, since checking on this supervisors statement, points to the fact that they might, indeed, post TWO individual pointspreads?
They will need to address this controversy if they indeed do post separate lines. One for the casual players and one for the sharper players, I would assume? If they see themselves as completely innocent, then I do not expect them to answer this controversy on this forum.

Now, if proven wrong about dealing only one line, how will their SBR players feel about this?
Okay, I just talked to another supervisor, we'll call him DD for now, and once again he say's they deal the same line for all their clients.

Does anyone have any further proof of two separate pointspreads at Heritage?
There is definitely something strange about this? Like I firmly stated, this is just anther time I've noticed this same coincidence. And, when I do, the pointspead I hear of would be the one I would want, not the one I am looking at on their website.

Still, I cannot prove them to be lying, so it may remain a puzzle? And maybe they are being straight-up?
If any member can help me prove anything different from what their supervisor has said, then we will carry this case on to a final result.

[MonkeyF0cker]

This is old, old news.

Welcome to six months ago, Abe.

[MonkeyF0cker]

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-ta...lines-now.html

[skrtelfan]

betus on the record as dealing dual lines. justin7 made a video about it. plenty of other books do it although i wouldnt say most.

[Emily_Haines]

Heritage does everything under the sun to insure that they win

1] They copy Pinny's numbers and move the instant they do
2] They slap delay on your account the instant you bet any steam
3] They limit the amount you can bet after you show them you usually get the best numbers
4] In addition to limits on your wagers they ban you from all promo's
5] They deal dual lines
6] They bend over backwards to keep the accounts of the losing players with cashback, promos, free payouts, free contest etc. and do not do this for winning players.
7] They lie about kicking out winning players when I know for fact several players I know that win year after year had their accounts closed.

[ABEHONEST]

Heritage does everything under the sun to insure that they win

1] They copy Pinny's numbers and move the instant they do
2] They slap delay on your account the instant you bet any steam
3] They limit the amount you can bet after you show them you usually get the best numbers
4] In addition to limits on your wagers they ban you from all promo's
5] They deal dual lines
6] They bend over backwards to keep the accounts of the losing players with cashback, promos, free payouts, free contest etc. and do not do this for winning players.
7] They lie about kicking out winning players when I know for fact several players I know that win year after year had their accounts closed.

Excellent post Emily!
You sound legit to me. You also sound like a pro, so I've misjudged you in the past. Probably had something to do with your unrelenting loving of Democrats?

Did you once play there and how can you prove this info? Email me if you want, but I have no confidence of security with that either. When Sportsbooks are allowed to read your posts, I get a little concerned. I could give you my phone # if you like?
Thanks again for your response!

[TexansFan]

They have different lines for Cory and his Mom, and then for everyone else.

[Emily_Haines]

Excellent post Emily!
You sound legit to me. You also sound like a pro, so I've misjudged you in the past. Probably had something to do with your unrelenting loving of Democrats?

Did you once play there and how can you prove this info? Email me if you want, but I have no confidence of security with that either. When Sportsbooks are allowed to read your posts, I get a little concerned. I could give you my phone # if you like?
Thanks again for your response!

I'm just going off my own personal experiences for the 5 months I had an account there and what some of my friends had to say about them.

[paranoyd androyd]

Yeah. They're not a "recreational" book and they don't deal multiple linesets. If you believe anything Heritage says, you're a fool.

There is only slime that faces the U.S. now.

yep

[wantitall4moi]

there are more and more books doing it but theyre all shit books, but theyre still highly rated by SBR. At least from what I have heard from some reliable people I have no first hand knowledge since I dont play at trash joints.

I would expect some low level local to deal a dual line or try and hedge a number on a guy, thats why I always ask for the numbers first and double check, but the guys I have now are big enough to not worry about it too much.

I have had multiple accounts with several books over the years and I never ever saw a dual line at any of them, even SIA, probably the 'worst' book I ever played at but they were like an ATM you could play there until you won X amount of dollars then you were asked to leave. So even though back then SIA was ripped to shreds, theyre 50 times better than the books who people think walk on water these days.

[jjgold]

Let me ad some interesting tidbits

Heritage and Sports Options is the same family
Sports Options stole programming and customer base from Don Best when Rick use to work at Don Best and then fukked them and started his own company Sport Options funded by Heritage Sports

Sports Options plays games with lines so beards can bet that work for them

[CarpeDime]

There is only slime that faces the U.S. now.

ok but for the millionth time, people who live in the US should not be allowed to have access to books like Pinny, Greek, matchbook, etc etc

it is for their own good and for the good of the US in general

Bill Frist (Republican - TN), Bob Goodlatte (Republican - VA 6), Jim Leach (Republican - IA 2) and John Kyl (Republican - AZ) understood this very well when they made sure the UIGEA went through, and they were right, they did the right thing

pinny, greek, matchy and books like them should only be for people who live OUTSIDE the US

[tatommack]

I have -6

[ABEHONEST]

I see it as a black-eye on any Book that deceits it's clientele! Hey, how hard is it to win a wager these days, especially this modern era of volatile football, where totals are hitting the 100 mark in regularity.

The Books do not need this double- deceitful line scenario. They will win bundles, but not enough bundles to satisfy many of them, I suppose?
I have asked for SBR in enter an opinion, or an investigation, on this, "possible," double-dealing scenario. I believe it's certainly a responsibility for them, since they are in business together, one feeding the other, business wise. Would SBR frown on this, or will they say that the Book has the right to run their business using the method they choose, without any outside ruling?

I have lost several games in this football season by 1/2 points, and that is no fun. But, when you hear that your favorite Book, is, "most likely," presenting you special odds, meanwhile, using special software, it does sour me on betting there, and sours me on sports-betting altogether.
I need to know the truth and I need SBR to investigate any Book if they suspect any deceit towards it's members.
Remember, for instance, I have talked to two supervisors at Heritage today, and they both claim innocence in regards to posting special lines for special clients. They state that they only use "one" line.

So, either they lie and will be found out, or maybe, with SBR's help, will be found to be a straight-up Book.

[cloverfield]

Hey Abe,

Hopefully we're be able to clear up this merky water.

You seem to have had some confusion with Heritage in the past...remember this thread: http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-talk/1895082-merky-water-concerning-heritage-apparently-resolved.html

[Justin3587]

[prop]

Let me ad some interesting tidbits

Heritage and Sports Options is the same family
Sports Options stole programming and customer base from Don Best when Rick use to work at Don Best and then fukked them and started his own company Sport Options funded by Heritage Sports

Sports Options plays games with lines so beards can bet that work for them

Posts like this have made me fond of JJGold

Seriously though it's an uphill battle saying much negative about Heritage. They'll have dozens of bonus whores and shills come out to defend them plus losing player that have been fooled for years.

This 2009 Post pretty much sums it up.

I think this average book should win a most shills award though. I have never seen so many players ostensibly excited about so little...

Their reputation is mostly fabricated. There's another slow pay going on right now, there was another issue in past with a large winner, and then plenty to see in the Cory1111 thread, and that's true no matter how you view Cory. Can see their dishonesty, spin and shill attack over there.

Bottom line is they're probably fine for small player and losing whales, but are not a book you want to be holding a large net win balance with. Would avoid parlays, casino jackpots or whatever else. Keep it small, cash in and cash out not accumulating much and should be fine.

[Dark Horse]

Let me ad some interesting tidbits

Heritage and Sports Options is the same family
Sports Options stole programming and customer base from Don Best when Rick use to work at Don Best and then fukked them and started his own company Sport Options funded by Heritage Sports

Sports Options plays games with lines so beards can bet that work for them

That is interesting.

The kind of info some book review site used to report in a long forgotten past. That's why they were giving members a free month of Sports Options membership.