[GamblerSpirit]

Haters gonna hate while eli keeps piling on superbowl rings in stupendous fashion. Whoever said schaub mat ryan or alex smith lmao, you guys either dont know football or biased. Mat 2 points ryan and alex smith lmao penetrating morons i swear.

[SteveRyan]

Not sure about him being the best in the NFL right now, but in terms of fantasy football QB's he is definitely #1.

The guy puts up strong numbers every week.

Never gets injured.

[xraygord]

Eli is number one for sure.

[greenhippo]

Passer Rating

Guy A: 82.5 (38th all time)
Guy B: 92.3 (9th all time)

Yards per pass attempt

Guy A: 7.1 (63rd all time)
Guy B: 7.8 (11th all time)

Yards per pass completion

Guy A: 12.1
Guy B: 12.2

Pass Attempts per game

Guy A: 32.6 (10th all time)
Guy B: 22.5 (118th all time)

Pass completion %

Guy A: 58.7 (57th all time)
Guy B: 64.5 (6th all time)

Neither QB rushes for yardage although Guy B has Guy A beat in this category.

Guy A has two SB wins which is a team accomplishment. Guy B has zero at the moment.

Somehow I look at those numbers and see that Guy B is by far the better QB, but apparently most of us here laugh at such a statement.

[RawBillyIce]

With all that handicapping I hope u made at least a green penny or two

[eidolon]

Passer Rating

Guy A: 82.5 (38th all time)
Guy B: 92.3 (9th all time)

Yards per pass attempt

Guy A: 7.1 (63rd all time)
Guy B: 7.8 (11th all time)

Yards per pass completion

Guy A: 12.1
Guy B: 12.2

Pass Attempts per game

Guy A: 32.6 (10th all time)
Guy B: 22.5 (118th all time)

Pass completion %

Guy A: 58.7 (57th all time)
Guy B: 64.5 (6th all time)

Neither QB rushes for yardage although Guy B has Guy A beat in this category.

Guy A has two SB wins which is a team accomplishment. Guy B has zero at the moment.

Somehow I look at those numbers and see that Guy B is by far the better QB, but apparently most of us here laugh at such a statement.

I'm going to say that Guy A had a pretty damn good Defense?

[greenhippo]

For his prime years, yes Guy A has had the better overall Defense.

[RawBillyIce]

Prime? Shiiii. T. Eli is still a baby!

[rm18]

Guy A: 32.6 (10th all time)
Guy B: 22.5 (118th all time)

this stat means a lot Schaub would not be able to keep up the other stats if he threw the ball 10 times more a game. So high a % of his throws are play action and against prevent defense

[EmpireMaker]

Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Matt Ryan, Ben Roethlisberger, Schaub, Romo, are better
Stafford, RGIII, Vick, Newton, Bradford, Rivers, Peyton (now), Flacco are as good or better

[EmpireMaker]

When you throw 3 INT's in the first half you need to throw 51 times in the game to try to catch up.

[EmpireMaker]

I'm going to go out on the limb here and predict that Tampa and Carolina won't be the top 2 pass defensive teams in the NFL this year.

[greenhippo]

Guy A: 32.6 (10th all time)
Guy B: 22.5 (118th all time)

this stat means a lot Schaub would not be able to keep up the other stats if he threw the ball 10 times more a game. So high a % of his throws are play action and against prevent defense

He doesn't throw that much because he doesn't need to, the offense is made for a great run game. Thing is his numbers don't drop off when volume goes up, in 2009 he led the league in pass attempts/completions/yards and yards per game. Yet his numbers were

68% completion - demolishes Manning
8.2 yards per attempt - kills anything Manning has put up save for last year
98.6 passer rating - higher than any rating Manning has put up

His numbers get better (compared to average) when he throws more. He is a 5000+ yard, 35 TD thrower on a team that needs him to throw 35 times or more a game.

[pulledclear]

Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Matt Ryan, Ben Roethlisberger, Schaub, Romo, are better
Stafford, RGIII, Vick, Newton, Bradford, Rivers, Peyton (now), Flacco are as good or better

Its about winning in the playoffs you.....

[LT Profits]

He doesn't throw that much because he doesn't need to, the offense is made for a great run game. Thing is his numbers don't drop off when volume goes up, in 2009 he led the league in pass attempts/completions/yards and yards per game. Yet his numbers were

68% completion - demolishes Manning
8.2 yards per attempt - kills anything Manning has put up save for last year
98.6 passer rating - higher than any rating Manning has put up

His numbers get better (compared to average) when he throws more. He is a 5000+ yard, 35 TD thrower on a team that needs him to throw 35 times or more a game.

EVERYTHING in this post is entirely irrelevant when you consider that Schaub has never won a playoff game. Saying that Schaub is better than Manning is downright laughable. Same thing holds true for Matt Ryan, who I love this year, but nevertheless has never won a playoff game and thus in no way can be ranked in front of Manning yet. Eli has a lot in common with Roethisberger in that they are better quarterbacks in real life than they sometimes look on the stat sheet, mainly because of their leadership abilities.

[freakydave]

EVERYTHING in this post is entirely irrelevant when you consider that Schaub has never won a playoff game. Saying that Schaub is better than Manning is downright laughable. Same thing holds true for Matt Ryan, who I love this year, but nevertheless has never won a playoff game and thus in no way can be ranked in front of Manning yet. Eli has a lot in common with Roethisberger in that they are better quarterbacks in real life than they sometimes look on the stat sheet, mainly because of their leadership abilities.

So if Schaub or Ryan win one playoff game they are as good as Manning?
It takes a team to get to the playoffs & it takes a team to win in the playoffs.Playoff stats do mean something but should not be all to end all in evaluating a player.Just look at how many breaks completely unrelated to skill it took just for the giants to win his two SB's.In the first SB a guy caught a ball by trapping it to his helmet.That's not skill on Mannings part but it was a key play.Last season Tony Romo missed a wide open receiver on 3rd down if that pass gets completed dallas runs out the clock beating the giants & they don't even make the playoffs.Now you have to be good to be lucky but nobody in this thread is claiming eli is no good.I just don't see how anyone can dismiss Greenhippo's argument based on a lack of playoff success.

[Monitor-Tan]

So if Schaub or Ryan win one playoff game they are as good as Manning?
It takes a team to get to the playoffs & it takes a team to win in the playoffs.Playoff stats do mean something but should not be all to end all in evaluating a player.Just look at how many breaks completely unrelated to skill it took just for the giants to win his two SB's.In the first SB a guy caught a ball by trapping it to his helmet.That's not skill on Mannings part but it was a key play.Last season Tony Romo missed a wide open receiver on 3rd down if that pass gets completed dallas runs out the clock beating the giants & they don't even make the playoffs.Now you have to be good to be lucky but nobody in this thread is claiming eli is no good.I just don't see how anyone can dismiss Greenhippo's argument based on a lack of playoff success.

EVERYONE gets breaks. Everyone gets shafted. Everyteam in the NFL caught a break sometime down the season and Everyteam got shafted.. All breaks even out in the end.

So even though he's caught lucky breaks, it's what you do AFTER you get them, that defines what kind of player you are..

THERE ARE TONS of players who get opportunity but shank it.. AKA, Welker/Brady last play.

And as you mentioned the whole Romo thing. They had the chances to put it away but they whiffed it. Eli knows how to take advantage of good fortune. Guess what, that's a skill set. Not many players can finish up on other team's mistake.

There's always two sides of looking at things.. It's only a matter or which way are you going to look at it..

Playoff wins might not mean a lot, which I agree, but leading the team to TWO superbowl, that's a whole different ball game.

[LT Profits]

So if Schaub or Ryan win one playoff game they are as good as Manning?
It takes a team to get to the playoffs & it takes a team to win in the playoffs.Playoff stats do mean something but should not be all to end all in evaluating a player.Just look at how many breaks completely unrelated to skill it took just for the giants to win his two SB's.In the first SB a guy caught a ball by trapping it to his helmet.That's not skill on Mannings part but it was a key play.Last season Tony Romo missed a wide open receiver on 3rd down if that pass gets completed dallas runs out the clock beating the giants & they don't even make the playoffs.Now you have to be good to be lucky but nobody in this thread is claiming eli is no good.I just don't see how anyone can dismiss Greenhippo's argument based on a lack of playoff success.

Well anybody trying to justify Schaub being better than Manning clearly has no clue when evaluating quarterbacks. Now would things change if Schaub/Ryan win a playoff game, probably not. If they win a Super Bowl, then they could enter the conversation, although I think Ryan has the much better chance of eventually elevating himself to "elite" status than Schaub does, as I always thought Schaub was overrated even when he was putting up good numbers. In fact, Schaub was the anti-Manning, always shriveling up in the fourth quarter. And you can talk about "luck" all you want, but the fact remains that Manning led the Giants from behind late in both Super Bowls and he probably has the highest QB Rating in the fourth quarter in the NFL the last several years. Bottom line, other than the Big Three, there is no other QB in the league that I would want on my team when needing a fourth quarter rally.

[greenhippo]

LT embarrassing himself and his white gutter trash family by arguing with everything but stats. Can't expect much from these GEDers though

[greenhippo]

LT thinks Trent Dilfer is a better quarterback than Dan Marino Cant even make this shit up, guy thinks Dilfer > Marino

[LT Profits]

LT embarrassing himself and his white gutter trash family by arguing with everything but stats. Can't expect much from these GEDers though

LT thinks Trent Dilfer is a better quarterback than Dan Marino Cant even make this shit up, guy thinks Dilfer > Marino

Were you born an idiot or did you work at it your whole life?

[SteveRyan]

LT embarrassing himself and his white gutter trash family by arguing with everything but stats. Can't expect much from these GEDers though

Who the fukk do you think you are insulting this guys family?

LT has been on this forum for 6 years and you have been here only since February this year.

STFU you broke dik fukkin noob.

[freakydave]

EVERYONE gets breaks. Everyone gets shafted. Everyteam in the NFL caught a break sometime down the season and Everyteam got shafted.. All breaks even out in the end.

So even though he's caught lucky breaks, it's what you do AFTER you get them, that defines what kind of player you are..

THERE ARE TONS of players who get opportunity but shank it.. AKA, Welker/Brady last play.

And as you mentioned the whole Romo thing. They had the chances to put it away but they whiffed it. Eli knows how to take advantage of good fortune. Guess what, that's a skill set. Not many players can finish up on other team's mistake.

There's always two sides of looking at things.. It's only a matter or which way are you going to look at it..

Playoff wins might not mean a lot, which I agree, but leading the team to TWO superbowl, that's a whole different ball game.

First of all if you honestly believe breaks even out-we have to agree to disagree.But your kinda missing my point you could put any one of a number good QB's on the giants last year & the still win the SB imo.
Bernie Kosar has very similar career playoff numbers to mannings & SB ring.Eli is a good qb but the op said best in the nfl AIIEC he's not.