1. 09-17-12 08:30 PM #36
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    enough is enough. pay these guys and let's move on already. these clowns are mocking the game.
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  2. 09-17-12 08:31 PM #37
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    They were a nice novelty the first week and held their own.

    Now they've worn out their welcome and need to go
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  3. 09-17-12 08:31 PM #38
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    Quote Originally Posted by 19th Hole View Post
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    Giant...I'm quite surprised on your take on the ref
    situation.
    You're an astute guy and i'm thinking that we must
    be watching different games. I see the sub refs floundering
    out there. Throw them a lifeline.

    If the referees all used masks, and we had no idea of their identities, we wouldn't notice a difference right now.

    It's only a big deal because the media made it one.

    They're probably not as good as the regular refs, but they're not horrific either.
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  4. 09-17-12 08:31 PM #39
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    Four turnovers in 1Q. It's like watching the Philadelphia Eagles.
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  5. 09-17-12 08:31 PM #40
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    They can't even keep the players from throwing blows.
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  6. 09-17-12 08:32 PM #41
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    lol refs are blowing this game
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  7. 09-17-12 08:32 PM #42
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    Quote Originally Posted by SBR Lou View Post
    Sorry didn't see that one. Was filling my thread creation quota, pal.

    its your house pal

    im just a guest
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  8. 09-17-12 08:33 PM #43
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    This is bush league.

    Opie pay the refs what they want and fly them to the games next weekend

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  9. 09-17-12 08:33 PM #44
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    Someone threw a punch and knocked an official's cap off. Should be an ejection.
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  10. 09-17-12 08:33 PM #45
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bostongambler View Post
    He was referring to the NHL lockout 19th hole. Let's go!!!! Get with the program

    Much love
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    Oops....Agree on the NHL gap not being reached...
    But I stand wth my sub refs statement.

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    Today, 08:20 PM
    paranoyd androyd
    "These guys These guys should be killed along with Goodell for allowing this to continue on. What a sham this is. How can you allow your product to be diminished this much."

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    Absofukkintively.
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  11. 09-17-12 08:33 PM #46
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    This is crazy shyt!!!!!!
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  12. 09-17-12 08:35 PM #47
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    The bottomline is they need to be authoritative and take order of that field. Even if they screw things up, act like you belong there and stop letting an opposing coach hollering at you change your mind.

    There's no way Ed Hochuli would let players do this type of shit.
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  13. 09-17-12 08:36 PM #48
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    Goodell has to be embarassed

    this is getting ridiculous

    glad its happening on national tv

    maybe they will be pressed to get a deal done
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  14. 09-17-12 08:37 PM #49
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    Quote Originally Posted by SBR Lou View Post
    The bottomline is they need to be authoritative and take order of that field. Even if they screw things up, act like you belong there and stop letting an opposing coach hollering at you change your mind.

    There's no way Ed Hochuli would let players do this type of shit.
    zero chance the the players act like that if the regular guys are out there

    players have no respect for these refs
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  15. 09-17-12 08:37 PM #50
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    i won't blame the blacks when the shit hits the fan, and it will... these refs are terrible
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  16. 09-17-12 08:37 PM #51
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    This is crazy pay the refs
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  17. 09-17-12 08:38 PM #52
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant View Post
    If the referees all used masks, and we had no idea of their identities, we wouldn't notice a difference right now.

    It's only a big deal because the media made it one.

    They're probably not as good as the regular refs, but they're not horrific either.
    I agree with this to an extent. However, what's happening now is that the players and coaches are backing the regular refs by publicly ridiculing these scab refs which is creating an overall publicity nightmare for the league.

    These guys all looked spooked on camera deadly afraid of making bad calls. These guys are getting controlled on the field of play by the players, coaches, and crowd and can not maintain control. That's a big problem for the product and viewer since it distracts from the actual flow of the game.
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  18. 09-17-12 08:38 PM #53
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    I have no clue what just happened for the last 10 minutes...
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  19. 09-17-12 08:38 PM #54
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    Quote Originally Posted by Br0nxer View Post
    Goodell has to be embarassed

    this is getting ridiculous

    glad its happening on national tv

    maybe they will be pressed to get a deal done
    Bench clearing brawls on national television could expedite the process, for sure.
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  20. 09-17-12 08:39 PM #55
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    how do you award ATL the ball when a pile of players were still on top of each other.
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  21. 09-17-12 08:39 PM #56
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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1879049.html
    this is what the stalemate is about.... pensions. as usual.
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  22. 09-17-12 08:40 PM #57
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    ryan cries for a flag and 20 seconds after the play is over idiot ref tosses one

    cant make this shit up
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  23. 09-17-12 08:43 PM #58
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    Quote Originally Posted by paranoyd androyd View Post
    However, what's happening now is that the players and coaches are backing the regular refs by publicly ridiculing these scab refs which is creating an overall publicity nightmare for the league.
    You're probably right about this.

    Whenever the inmates are running the asylum it's usually not a good thing.
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  24. 09-17-12 08:46 PM #59
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    Another challenge and two more flags, another stop in the action. The first quarter took an hour?
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  25. 09-17-12 08:46 PM #60
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    Quote Originally Posted by Br0nxer View Post
    Goodell has to be embarassed

    this is getting ridiculous

    glad its happening on national tv

    maybe they will be pressed to get a deal done
    yeah this will turn out to be a blessing in disguise, the perfect storm since it's happening on MNF. refs should be back by week 4 with goodell painted as a clown and the league paying hand over fist for the regulars back.
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  26. 09-17-12 08:48 PM #61
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    watching an NFL game from start to finish has been borderline awful for awhile, now it's just unbearable. 4 hrs of my time for 1 game, and i get maybe 20 mins of actual football
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  27. 09-17-12 08:48 PM #62
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    The real refs should start asking for more; bargain down to their initial number. Think Goodell's guna let this keep happening week after week?
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  28. 09-17-12 08:48 PM #63
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    Game will be over at 1230 at the earliest... time to pound beers
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  29. 09-17-12 08:48 PM #64
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    Regular refs not coming back anytime soon...........
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  30. 09-17-12 08:49 PM #65
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyanLeafOfBets View Post
    Game will be over at 1230 at the earliest... time to pound beers
    Nearly 3am here in London Ryan gonna be 6 am before this is done
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  31. 09-17-12 08:49 PM #66
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    this is penetrating abusrd officiating.
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  32. 09-17-12 08:52 PM #67
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    i am pretty sure tirico is being paid by the regular officials.
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  33. 09-17-12 09:04 PM #68
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    almost comical
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  34. 09-17-12 09:12 PM #69
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    Quote Originally Posted by SBR Lou View Post
    Because they are greedy and pigheaded. They also might have believed the quality of the officiating would be such that no one would notice the difference. They were wrong.

    The refs are on a lockout, they only even want an extra $800 per game or so.
    This is true that the money per game the union is asking for, is actually peanuts. However, there are 3 much larger issues.

    1. The NFL wants to abolish the defined pension benefits that all refs are now entitled to and replace it with a more league friendly 401K type of system.

    2. The NFL wants to hire more crews for availablity/possible early retirement for senior officials who are heavily vested in the current retirement program.

    3. The NFL wants all current officials to be full time NFL employees only/ quit their day job. As we all know, many of the current refs also enjoy lucrative full time jobs. Be it a CEO, Lawyer, Doctor, or whatever.

    4. This is a one time chance for the NFL to break the strangle hold that the current Referees' union has on the NFL. This isn't just about 800.00 a game. It's about the millions of dollars that the owners and the league will have to pay in the future for refs that will no longer even be working the games. This is all about "Union Busting", it's really not about the 800.00 a game.

    5. Get ready for the replacements for a while, the regular refs are very well off and I don't see the NFL or owners caving anytime soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redchevy View Post
    this is true that the money per game the union is asking for, is actually peanuts. However, there are 3 much larger issues.


    1. The nfl wants to abolish the defined pension benefits that all refs are now entitled to and replace it with a more league friendly 401k type of system.

    2. The nfl wants to hire more crews for availablity/possible early retirement for senior officials who are heavily vested in the current retirement program.

    3. The nfl wants all current officials to be full time nfl employees only/ quit their day job. As we all know, many of the current refs also enjoy lucrative full time jobs. Be it a ceo, lawyer, doctor, or whatever.

    4. This is a one time chance for the nfl to break the strangle hold that the current referees' union has on the nfl. This isn't just about 800.00 a game. It's about the millions of dollars that the owners and the league will have to pay in the future for refs that will no longer even be working the games. This is all about "union busting", it's really not about the 800.00 a game.

    5. Get ready for the replacements for a while, the regular refs are very well off and i don't see the nfl or owners caving anytime soon.
    this.
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