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I blame Greg Jackson more than John "Bones" Jones
If I understand correctly, JBJ opted out of fighting Sonnen at the advice of Greg Jackson. Unforutnately for JBJ, this only negatively affects him, not Jackson. And Jackson knows this. This decision was in the best interest of Greg Jackson and him giving selfish advice he knew a young man would follow. He simply took the advice of his coach, a man that should have his best interest at heart and a man that's been around the scene for a while. Fukk Greg Jackson
Greg Jackson ruined MMA...
They both can go Fuk themselves!!
Yes HOMO
to me it shows what Jackson really thinks of Jones. A 185er who hasnt trained in a month and who is a lesser version of Henderson, and he wont let Jones fight?
pathetic
Fighters who have trained with greg jackson : Cerrone, Cub Swanson, Jardine, Travis Browne, Leonard Garcia, Brian Stann, Marquardt, Diego Sanchez, Condit... Would you consider any of these fighters remotely boring?
What if another Jackson fighter GSP has the same decison for UFC 154, Condit is injured 8 days out and is replaced by either Kampmann or Hendrocks from the co-main. Does Jackson tell him not to fight?
He is a trainer. The input he gave to Jon Jones was strictly from this perspective and did not take any outside pressures/circumstance into account. Isn't that his job?
I definitely think this was ultimately Greg Jackson's decision. And he certainly pissed off a lot of people and I don't blame them for being pissed. I'm somewhat disappointed myself but I mostly feel pity for the other fighters on the card. It would have been nice if Jones would have "stepped up" and fought Sonnen but it would have also been nice if the UFC would have found a way to make the card happen anyway. I'm sure this easier said then done since most fans specifically wanted to see the one fight.
This brings me to my next question... http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-ta...nes-fight.html? My answer is Belfort and here's why... Belfort is a very explosive striker. This could potentially pose a problem for Jones. If Jones fought Sonnen next weekend I really think Jones would pick him apart and finish him fairly easy inside of 2 rounds. It wouldn't surprise me if Jones did the same thing to Belfort but I actually think it's going to be a more competitive fight than if Sonnen fought Jones next weekend. So overall, I'm sort of ambivalent about Jones not being willing to fight Sonnen as I would actually rather see him fight Belfort.
I don't think I saw anybody mention anything about boring... Your post is off topic.Originally Posted by Vitooch
I think Dana could have saved the card, he could have had other people fight. Dana canceled the card to say fukk you to Jackson and Jones. Jones made the wrong decision by not accepting the fight, but Dana is a douche for canceling the whole card. He is more to blame imo than Jones or Greg Jackson. Sonnen get's back to back title shots, in two different divisions, in a row, wtf...? This whole situation is retarded and will be forgotten about.
Everybody fawked up except Sonnen.
Silva wanted to fight... if Dana wasn't so quick to cancel the card, Silva would have gotten word to him, then we would have probably seen Silva vs Sonnen III at 205
why should chael get another title fight anyway he just lost a title fight
I feel like Dana is over-sensitive to criticism of the card quality right now after some poor showings lately. Cancelling the event and loading the bad PR on JBJ is a way to deflecting a lot of the attention away from UFC. Maybe not with the hardcore fans, but with the more casual ones.
As for Belfort-Jones, what a joke. Jones will handle Belfort with ease, and the main event will be boring.
I was looking foward to Sep 1 for a UFC event.
The card getting canceled is the fault of the UFC only. They should not be spreading cards so thin. If the card had a strong co-main event it would not have got canceled. Also, I am not convinced that the card would have still been canceled if Koshcheck was not injured.
My point is that Greg Jackson generally gets a bad rap when he really has his fighters best interests solely in mind, which is his job. The fact of the matter is Dana put Jones in a terribly difficult situation and is now deflecting any criticism he should have received for putting together such a week card. While I do think Jones probably should have taken the fight, Dana White deserves a big part of the blame for how childish and unprofessional he behaved.
Greg Jackson does whatever the rules allow him to do that in his mind will best benefit himself and his fighters. It's really hard to blame the guy for boring fights when his guys get their hand raised so often and he is following the rules.
That being said how could it possibly be a mistake on Jones' part to take a fight against a guy with a 27-12 record, coming from MW, who has 8 days notice, when Jones has had a full training camp? Not only that, but Sonnen is a PPV king. Dana would have hooked Jones up with whatever he needed including a rematch clause and a nice bonus for taking an easy fight. Worst case scenario Jones loses and he makes even more money with an immediate rematch. The immediate rematch would sell better than the first fight. Most likely outcome though Jones wins an easy fight, collects a big pay check and gains fans.
In the end, it's hard to see an unfavorable outcome from Jones taking the fight with Sonnen. While Jackson made the wrong decision here, Jones as a fighter should have put Jackson in his place and taken the easy guaranteed big money.
It is kind of funny that UFC 151 will never happen and it will be the first UFC from 1-152 right now that will have been skipped.
But then again, if the boss comes and hes desperate for you to help him its in your best interest to come through and help. That way you can keep your job forever ala Forrest Griffin. He also should have known the consequences of his actions knowing Dana White. Theres a reason why the fighters are bashing Bones.
The fans did not like it, the fighters did not like it, the boss did not like it...so its pretty clear it was a dumb decision because in the end he may be the best and earn tons of money and even erase all of of this, but he could well end up being not the one chosen by god like he thinks. He lost fans and money possibilities and this could backfire on him. All of this because he didnt want to fight an 185 pounder.
This aint boxing so its foolish for a guy to behave like he owns Mayweather promotions while working in the UFC.
Its like people forgets why we love mma, We love it because they come to fight and deliver and its not polluted with political crap so we get dream matchups pretty often and we usually get to see the fights we want to see. **** Bones and Don King!
I hope this punk fails.....and i miss pride days...
A humongous clap for the true fighters
While Jackson probably made the better choice for him, this does nothing to help Jones. Every bit of criticism has been pointed at Jones, not Jackson, even though it was Jackson who advised Jones not to take the fight.
I understand Jones is a grown man that makes his own decision but his coach and mentors opinion weights heavily, maybe moreso than his own opinion.
However I doubt either Jackson or Jones foresaw this amount of criticism and in life we live and we learn. But I would put my entire BR on a prop for Jones getting booed before his next fight. I think it will be the loudest boo's ever heard at an MMA fight. People really, really dislike Jones and even hate him now.
And rightfully so.
But for me personally, it's Greg Jackson that I can't stand.
Greg Jackson talks out of both sides of his mouth. He looks like a former meth user and being in albuquerque probably is. The guy doesn't teach striking, wrestling, and his guido-jitsu is a joke. So much of a joke Condit asked Gracie barra for some black belts to train with for GSP. Ceasar Gracie publicly mocked Greg for this because his grappling system is the laughing stock of mma. Only thing I can tell he is good at is teaching his fighters to run. Which under the unified rules shouldnt be rewarded and slowely these dumb f-ck judges are figuring this out.
To all the dumb f-cks who say he uses the rules to win fights. That's bullshit. Nobody believes condit and guida are winning fights running like bitches. The fact of the matter is the unified rules are too vague and allow anyone to skew their f-cked up views into giving a fight to someone. Running isn't effective striking or effective grappling.
I agree mostly with Sideloaded here. Only thing is that if you are going to make more money exploiting the weak judges/cheating isn't it worth it if you can completely cover yourself by saying that is how judges have judged in the past and using the vague rules to your advantage?
I bet big on both Nick Diaz and Gray Maynard and was kind of pissed off. I saw what should have been an easy win for both fighters. Many others saw the same thing in these fights. Jackson gave his fighters the only strategy that might "beat" their opponents.
I'll admit he exploits the rules and uses weak judging to beat the system. In his position though if you were a manager and would be able to do the same thing and make a lot more money in the long run, wouldn't you?
It's very similar to TRT right now. Most people think it's ridiculous, but as a fighter one fight can be the difference in making $20,000 a fight to making $1,000,000 a fight.
They need to fix rules and hold people accountable. Exploiting a system that is easily exploitable shouldn't be the fault of a fighter/trainer/manager. The rules and judging should be fixed to protect these fighters and make sure MMA doesn't turn into the point fighting it is slowly becoming.
As a stated in my above post though, there is more money to be made for Jones taking the Sonnen fight and therefore that is a mistake on both Jones and Jacksons part.
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