Originally Posted by taxe91
LOL. Isnt that the point? Why do you think that is? They tend to grow... :LOL:
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08-23-12 07:11 AM #36
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08-23-12 07:38 AM #37
He just turned 21 at that age you can get big very fast ,his body is filled with testostorone. He's a great player maybe thats why his numbers are improved they must have seen something to bring him up at 20 years old.
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08-23-12 07:42 AM #38
Yea they saw Vernon Wells striking out, and Bobby Abreu being a defensive liability. Originally Posted by tonyp0387
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08-23-12 09:53 AM #39
This thread lacks any credibility as the minor leagues have more stringent testing policies than the Majors. Trout started his career in the minors, and did not become a major leaguer until a month into the season.
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08-23-12 10:13 AM #40
Its possible. The other point is at that age with proper strength training and nutrition (which u know big league teams pay a lot for) maybe it can be achieved. Plus imagine getting into the bigs and you see the work eithic of pujols, t hunter (who is still playing at a high level after all those years), and weaver (yes he is a pitcher, but look how he is an Ace and his brother is a burn out) he probably got the motivation. im not saying he isnt on something, but to say he is without proof or just bc he is good is as unethical as him taking it in the first place. just my 2 cents
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08-23-12 10:26 AM #41
well prove it smart gay. Originally Posted by 2daBank
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08-23-12 10:35 AM #42
The kid has had to been tested at least twice so far this year. Not juicing, and he's not blowing 100's of millions of dollars in future pay days juicing.
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08-23-12 02:49 PM #43
I guess I just know what its like to work out 1-2 hours a day, clean diet, nutrition, and good genes. I've had people accuse me of roofs since I was Trouts age and its just fukked. Discredit all of someone's hard work with a accusation. My boy benches 515... Squats 900. Deadlifts 600... And I know for a FACT he's never touched peds. Originally Posted by 2daBank
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08-23-12 02:54 PM #44
Where have you been? He was caught red handed. And it wasn't a slow progression. Nobody and I mean NOBODY puts on 35 pounds of muscle when you're in your 40s... Originally Posted by k13
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08-23-12 02:54 PM #45
Lebron James was even BIGGER than Trout at this age, yet never a peep about him being on anything...
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08-23-12 03:05 PM #46
Tiger Woods is on Steroids. So is John Daly.
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08-23-12 03:18 PM #47
This can be accomplished by a non-chemically enhanced individual IF and ONLY IF his main focus was hypertrophy/hyperplasia. This means eat, sh1t, lift, eat, sleep, rinse and repeat... Originally Posted by Mantle7
Because Bonds also had to focus on baseball it would strain credibility to say he put on the weight naturally. Also, if you look at pictures of him in his early days, he showed no signs of being a mesomorph (those who put on lean mass easily) or being some genetic freak that had something not unlike myostatin inhibition.
Not buying this. With proper cycling and dosage (as well as masking agents), beating a drug test isn't rocket science. Guys like Melky and Colon are just an IQ percentage point or two above being mentally handicapped. They're just blessed to have skills that pays truck loads of money. Otherwise, these a55hats would be towel drying cars at the local car wash. Originally Posted by stevenash
Trout is the new generation of ball players. And like any member of the new generation, he can learn from the mistakes of Bonds, Arod, Clemens and evolve from it. These fools were the equivalent of people drink a 12-pack of beer to get a buzz on. A smarter, more sophisticated fellow knows a shot or two of vodka on an empty stomach can yield similar results.
If Trout or any other athlete wants credibility, he'd voluntarily submit his samples for freezing and testing the in the future. As for not risking 100 million or more in future pay, these are alpha males who have gone through their entire lives under the belief that the rules for the common man doesn't apply to them. The 'it-won't-happen-to-me' mindset is alive and well.
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08-23-12 03:19 PM #48
Regis and Kathy Lee are obviously on the juice..
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08-23-12 03:26 PM #49
I believe the juice those two are on is called Botox. Originally Posted by Mantle7
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08-23-12 03:37 PM #50
EV, it cannot be acheived. A 40 something year old man cannot put on 35 pounds of muscle in a summer. Its just not possible...
And it's a lot harder to beat a test then youre making it sound. If you KNOW you're going to be tested on a random d then it's a little easier to beat but not a random test.
You sound educated on this but I'm surprised to hear some of your opinions..
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08-23-12 03:40 PM #51
The masking agents youre talking about are tested for as well.. its not like taking a cup of Pisa to your probation officer. They do the top to bottom testing.
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08-23-12 03:58 PM #52
I never "in a summer." You're putting words into my mouth and making accusations off that. So take caution where you go with this. Originally Posted by Mantle7
I did state that it "strains credibility" that Bonds was clean. So read the post again.
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08-23-12 04:03 PM #53
The masking agents that are currently known and tested for. A test, like any filter, will ONLY recognize what it has been built to recognize. Originally Posted by Mantle7
And testing twice a year is nowhere near as stringent as it can be. A season is over 160 games. He could very well have completed a large cycle while in triple A, gotten off it, and now is in cruise mode thanks to his youth, genetics, good training and nutrition.
It's obvious you're letting your emotional ties with Trout and the Halos cloud your judgement in favor of Trout being clean. You did mention in an earlier post that someone you know is a Halos fan. Your current avatar is that of the Halos.
I much prefer a cold, objective outlook (and yes, I realize complete objectivity is impossible for humans). It's this mindset that keeps me in the black. I suggest you adopt the same.
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08-23-12 04:06 PM #54
Ok, when you took my quote and replied to it it kind of seemed that you were saying it was possible to do it in a short period of time. My bad if I misunderstood you.
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08-23-12 04:21 PM #55
[QUOTE=EVPlus;15759514]The masking agents that are currently known and tested for. A test, like any filter, will ONLY recognize what it has been built to recognize.
And testing twice a year is nowhere near as stringent as it can be. A season is over 160 games. He could very well have completed a large cycle while in triple A, gotten off it, and now is in cruise mode thanks to his youth, genetics, good training and nutrition.
It's obvious you're letting your emotional ties with Trout and the Halos cloud your judgement in favor of Trout being clean. You did mention in an earlier post that someone you know is a Halos fan. Your current avatar is that of the Halos.
I much prefer a cold, objective outlook (and yes, I realize complete objectivity is imossible for humans). It's this mindset tht keeps me in the black. I suggest you adopt the same.[/QUOTE
It has nothing to do with Trout or the Angels, genius. That was very predictable of you to try and take it there, though. Your conspiracy theory sounds great... What if, what if, and what if.
Testing twice a year? Now I know you have no idea what you're talking about. There's someone in the locker room almost every single game doing random tests. It's a fact.
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08-23-12 04:40 PM #56
Mantle, they dont even test in the off season bro...again i aint saying he is or isnt on them, ive known plenty of guys that are not and are built similar, that said i know more guys that are... either way you acting like a drooling little schoolgirl defending your hero's virtue with bs, anyone with half a fukkin brain and work ethic can add bunch of muscle in off season and maintain most of it w/o additional juice....
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08-23-12 04:42 PM #57
This is why so many on this forum loathe you. Originally Posted by Mantle7
When I debated the "twice a year test" I was replying to Steve Nash who said Trout is tested at least twice this season.
Again, read my original post.
As for random testing, I said the following:
" He could very well have completed a large cycle while in triple A, gotten off it, and now is in cruise mode thanks to his youth, genetics, good training and nutrition."
A young strong guy like Trout can easily stay in maintenance mode while being clean AFTER going through a significant cycle while in Triple A to build up his base level of strength and muscular density. In other words, no matter how many random tests he goes through now, it doesn't matter because AT THIS POINT IN TIME his blood work will come clean.
Every time you post, you stick your foot deeper into your mouth. I've dealt with people like you before. It always ends the same. I'll pick apart your lack of logic and let you continue to embarrass yourself. And each time that happens, your credibility diminishes.Last edited by SBR Jonelyn; 03-10-15 at 03:56 PM.
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08-23-12 04:55 PM #58
If he did a cycle in Triple A it would have zero effect on his size and production now. Steroids make you strong while you are on them you fukking retard.
You live in a "what if" world. It's ok... Continue to draw up speculations with no facts. Bravo.
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08-23-12 04:56 PM #59
Well MAYBE before high school... Originally Posted by CanuckG
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08-23-12 04:57 PM #60
Originally Posted by Mantle7
Cmon bro, surely you smarter than this...
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08-23-12 04:59 PM #61
Do you realize how many times you've said "could of" and "if". O.k... You win. Im not gonna debate with the captain of the High School debate team.
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08-23-12 05:00 PM #62
Who knows..they all get busted eventually
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08-23-12 05:05 PM #63
For some, generally young males, a good cycle of juice can in fact build up a base which can be maintained (not improved but maintained) for 3-4 months. Anabolic steroids are not some magic beans where if you stop taking them, you shrivel back into a raisin the next day or even next week. Originally Posted by Mantle7
And just how long is the mlb season...? And about when did Trout come up from triple A...?
By trying desperately to argue with me on the subject of sports science, you're bringing a plastic knife to a gun fight.
You fail at reading comprehension. You let your hero-worship cloud your judgement. And now you're backed into a corner with nothing more than ad hominem insults.
Everybody and I mean everybody who reads this thread with an open mind can see you for desperate, argumentative fool that you are.
I'll be waiting for a "gambling is cruel" "have to reload" "can't win at this baseball betting" thread from you in the future. Because it's obvious you refuse to cultivate objectivity. And that's the kiss of death.
Care to reply to this and bury your foot deeper into your mouth? Doesn't matter with me either way. At this point, you're just a side show while I wrap up another winning week.Last edited by EVPlus; 08-23-12 at 05:10 PM.
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08-23-12 05:13 PM #64
hey, I like trout. Im sure they test him all the time... The media would be all over the rookie with amazing stats!
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08-23-12 05:26 PM #65
How often is "all the time." ? Originally Posted by nic9212
During his reign as the undisputed King of the Tour de France, Armstrong was tested more than Trout or any other mlb player is now.
Interesting how the truth is coming to surface about Lance...
As for the media, they know dirt sells. But that dirt has to be balanced with the occasional feel-good story. Oh, I'm sure IF Trout is caught red-handed, the media will be all over it because they are vultures after all.
But just entertain this theory:
Trout, while under the radar at triple A, goes through a significant cycle. And I don't buy the notion that minor leaguers are tested MORE. Where do funds come from?
He gets the word that he's on the short list to get called up to the show.
At this point, he immediately goes off all banned substances.
His gender, age, genetics, and good training/diet allow him to cruise through while clean.
He reaps the benefits of being mlb's golden boy.
In the following off-season, he goes back on another cycle. And like any smart cookie, he tries to find more efficient methods.
Absurd...? Maybe. But those who fail to cultivate objectivity and bet on emotional ties will, sooner or later, go on tilt, and then get buried. These emotional ties are not limited to just players or teams. They can also be certain filters, models, strategies.Last edited by EVPlus; 08-23-12 at 05:31 PM.
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08-23-12 05:27 PM #66
Who the **** is trout.
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08-23-12 05:36 PM #67
"For some" "can be".
Mrs. Speculation.
A cycle of roids cannot be maintained without other drugs such as nolvadex,Clomid, hcg, arimidex, and several others.
You know how to argue... But you just don't know $hit about roids and all you do is draw up conclusions with no substance
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08-23-12 05:36 PM #68
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08-23-12 05:38 PM #69
I agree with you. I did two cycles of test several years ago in about a 7 month period. Once I was off, the muslce gains and strengths I developed did not leave me for several months. I'm not saying Trout is or was on something, but if he did do a cycle in triple A, with continuous Weight training..there is no way he'd have lost the edge by now. Originally Posted by EVPlus
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08-23-12 05:40 PM #70
How much Test did you use?
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