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    Golden Nugget suing card maker.

    Golden Nugget suing card maker after unshuffled cards pay off big for gamblers




    ATLANTIC CITY — At first, it seemed like a coincidence, the kind of thing that happens from time to time at a casino, where the same number or same sequence of cards happens twice in a row.

    But when the players at an April game of mini-baccarat at the Golden Nugget Atlantic City kept seeing the same sequence of cards dealt, over and over and over again, their eyes grew wide and their bets grew bigger, zooming from $10 a hand to $5,000.

    Forty-one consecutive winning hands later, the 14 players had racked up more than $1.5 million in winnings — surrounded by casino security convinced they had cheated but unable to prove how.

    In a lawsuit against a Kansas City playing card manufacturer, the Golden Nugget contends the cards were unshuffled, despite being promised to be pre-shuffled and ready to use.

    The April 30 incident was the latest instance of unshuffled cards causing big headaches for an Atlantic City casino. In December, the Trump Taj Mahal Casino Resort used unshuffled mini-baccarat cards for 3½ hours before realizing something was wrong. That episode led to a $91,000 fine against the casino, which fired nine people it said were involved.




    It is so basic to the concept of gambling that it often goes without saying: the cards in the deck need to be shuffled before anyone uses them. But in the case of the Golden Nugget, the gamblers did nothing wrong, and deserve to be paid the nearly $1 million they still have coming to them, according to their lawyer, Benjamin Dash.

    "The Golden Nugget appealed to gamblers to come in and play games licensed and sanctioned by the state of New Jersey," he said. "My clients did exactly that, and then were denied their winnings. There is absolutely no law in New Jersey that would permit the Golden Nugget to declare the game illegal because it failed to provide shuffled cards."

    But in a lawsuit filed against the 14 gamblers in July, that is exactly what the casino seeks, citing state gambling regulations requiring all casino games to offer fair odds — to both sides. The casino's lawsuit asserts the gamblers and the casino both began the game believing it was legal and proper — until the players kept winning over and over again.

    The Golden Nugget said it flooded the area with floor persons, managers, supervisors, surveillance and security officers, believing they were watching "a sophisticated swindling and cheating scheme" in progress.

    "From the beginning to the end of play, however, plaintiff could not identify any particular act of those players that actually constituted swindling and cheating," the casino wrote in its lawsuit. Accordingly, it let nine of the players cash out $558,900 worth of chips. The other players still have $977,800 in chips that they have not yet cashed in.

    The Golden Nugget also asserted in its lawsuit that Gemaco, Inc., a Missouri playing card manufacturer, acknowledged it had provided a defective shipment of cards that were not pre-shuffled. A message left at the company's administrative offices was not immediately returned Monday.

    Three of the Golden Nugget gamblers have filed a counter-suit against the casino, alleging the gambling house discriminated against them based on their Chinese Heritage. The three are from Atlantic City, Queens and Brooklyn, N.Y. One of them, Hua Shi of Brooklyn claims he was sleeping in his room at the casino when someone knocked on the door. When he answered, he was rushed by four Golden Nugget employees who pinned him against the wall and searched him and his belongings, according to his lawsuit. He said casino personnel held him in a room without food, water or an interpreter for eight hours. After a second search of his room, he was released, his lawsuit asserts.

    The casino called the allegations in the gamblers' lawsuit "completely false."

    "The Golden Nugget values all of its customers and would never discriminate against anyone, including the Asian community," it said in a statement. "In fact, the Golden Nugget designed and built an Asian gaming area and restaurant to specifically attract Asian guests to the casino. The countersuit has no merit and is nothing more than a ploy by the gamblers and their lawyers to tarnish the Golden Nugget's reputation in order to gain an economic advantage in the lawsuit. We will not let this happen."

    Since the December incident with the mini-baccarat cards, the Trump Taj Mahal has installed a $2.2 million digital recording system which it says has greatly improved its surveillance capabilities, and the surveillance department has added eight officers.

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    Casino screws up and loses then cries foul. Typical

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCentaur View Post
    Casino screws up and loses then cries foul. Typical

    what a joke

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    "The Golden Nugget said it flooded the area with floor persons, managers, supervisors, surveillance and security officers, believing they were watching "a sophisticated swindling and cheating scheme" in progress."

    And no one noticed the cards were coming out the exact same way every time? Don't sure the gamblers fire your people for being stupid.

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    They won't give me my money back if I mess up gambling. Why should the casino be allowed to get their money back when they mess up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr KLC View Post
    They won't give me my money back if I mess up gambling. Why should the casino be allowed to get their money back when they mess up?
    thats my biggest issue.. if these asians.. kept loosing.. and thus it was an issue because of cards.. would the casino give them the money back ?
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    no wonder i lost to only 1 out in the sbr poker tournament


    players knew enough how the cards were coming to bet bigger, but dealer, pit boss, people watching the cameras didn't?

    crazy

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    A lot of Asian people play mini bac while writing down the card history. It does not surprise me that it was Asian people who were smart enough to notice the pattern in the cards, while the casino was oblivious. The Casino needs to pay up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milwaukee mike View Post
    no wonder i lost to only 1 out in the sbr poker tournament


    players knew enough how the cards were coming to bet bigger, but dealer, pit boss, people watching the cameras didn't?

    crazy
    Grits n Gravy asleep at the wheel

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    grits n gravy works at atlantic city nugget?

    someone should be fired for that

    i can see them missing a few hands of it (especially upstairs) but not 14 players and 41 hands later

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Dalamar View Post
    "The Golden Nugget said it flooded the area with floor persons, managers, supervisors, surveillance and security officers, believing they were watching "a sophisticated swindling and cheating scheme" in progress."

    And no one noticed the cards were coming out the exact same way every time? Don't sure the gamblers fire your people for being stupid.
    It is beyond belief!!! Where did they learn their craft??? (As Al Pacino would say.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCentaur View Post
    Casino screws up and loses then cries foul. Typical
    Annoying

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    If the casino had suspected the cards were unshuffled, why didnt they stop the deck at the 15th hand won in a row and called for a shuffle? They do it all the time in blackjack and baccarat to prevent a run. That's bullshit.....they let the hands go up to the 41st win a row which means they took the chance and the winners should be paid. Even if that deck was unshuffled, thats not the player's responsibility and the casino took the action.

    The casino needs to pay up, period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a4u2fear View Post
    Annoying
    What is

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    They better get payed. It reminds me of all the times people hit the major jackpots (millions) on slots and then the company says it was a malfunction in the slotmachine and doesn't pay.

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    Really unreal

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