[Hankwins]

They just allowed me to sign up and took my deposit! i log in and can't bet! I call and they tell the don't take bets from illinois! I say why on earth would allow me to sign up and take my deposit!!!?

She says becuase we are planning on offering fantasy football in the future! COMPLETE CRAP, now my gambling funds are screwed for the weekend!

[Br0nxer]

why are fukkin people playing with books like this

wake the fukk up bro

5 dimes-heritage for USA players

that is all

[ProfitBettingSov]

Where do you hamburgers find books like these?

I should set up a book called BetWinners and take deposits from naive fukks like you.

[boeing power]

BetNigeria is worse.

They fuked me hard.

[Trident]

why are fukkin people playing with books like this

wake the fukk up bro

5 dimes-heritage for USA players

that is all

It's a site for betting the ponies.

[Mikeyanks23]

Betbronxer.com really fukked me. Made a deposit of $300 and the fukk tells me they only accept bets on heads or tails on nfl games when the temp is below 43.7 degreees

[Br0nxer]

Betbronxer.com really fukked me. Made a deposit of $300 and the fukk tells me they only accept bets on heads or tails on nfl games when the temp is below 43.7 degreees

[ProfaneReality]

BetAmerica is not an offshore sportsbook.

Sharp guys showing up today

[Trident]

It's a site for betting the ponies.

BetAmerica is not an offshore sportsbook.

Sharp guys showing up today

Verified sharp here :59

[mynameismud]

why are fukkin people playing with books like this

wake the fukk up bro

5 dimes-heritage for USA players

that is all

ive been at betusa for 4 years and ive had no problems. little slow on payouts...checks arrive in about 14 days via fedex. 5Dimes definitely have way more options to bet on though.

[KingKolzig]

if thecentaur, tony come, acl123, mynameismud and a few others really do bet all day thats fkn bs. probably retired killers playing poker and watching sports all day pharisees

[ttrace35]

Cheeseburger delux.

[jjgold]

BetAmerica totally legit but you did not do your homework and look at state restrictions

[Hankwins]

BetAmerica totally legit but you did not do your homework and look at state restrictions

If my state was restricted it shouldn't even be in the drop down menu! The taking a deposit from a player from a restricted state is just the icing on the cake!

[Hankwins]

And they should have took a deposit when their no fantasy play available right now anyway. That a deposit from a player where the funds in his account are 100% worthless to him!

[acl123]

if thecentaur, tony come, acl123, mynameismud and a few others really do bet all day thats fkn bs. probably retired killers playing poker and watching sports all day pharisees

[mynameismud]

If my state was restricted it shouldn't even be in the drop down menu! The taking a deposit from a player from a restricted state is just the icing on the cake!

you are 100% right. are they sending your deposit back immediately?

[mynameismud]

if thecentaur, tony come, acl123, mynameismud and a few others really do bet all day thats fkn bs. probably retired killers playing poker and watching sports all day pharisees

[BrianLaverty]

why are fukkin people playing with books like this

wake the fukk up bro

5 dimes-heritage for USA players

that is all

What a complete moron Bronxer is.

Yes.. he should use illegal, offshore books to bet ponies when Bet America is legal and regulated? Gimme a break... moron.

[Jerm3462]

if thecentaur, tony come, acl123, mynameismud and a few others really do bet all day thats fkn bs. probably retired killers playing poker and watching sports all day pharisees

[Hankwins]

you are 100% right. are they sending your deposit back immediately?

Yes but now I have to wait 5 days to get it. It was my weekend gambling funds but I borrowed cash to bet sports anyway lol

[indio]

What a complete moron Bronxer is.

Yes.. he should use illegal, offshore books to bet ponies when Bet America is legal and regulated? Gimme a break... moron.

Right, play against your own money with 18% rake, when you can go offshore and reduce the hold to 8% with 10% added to the mutuals, and not bet against your own money at smaller tracks with smaller pools.

Let's see, if we wanted to bet $100 to win on a horse at Emerald Downs that had a win pool of $22,000 on a horse that had $8350 bet on him, that mutual would come back $4.20 or +110. If he bet that same horse $100 to win through a shop offering a 10% +, the mutual would pay 4.40 at the track, and he would get a mutual after the add-on of $4.84 or +142.

So you could bet that horse +110 through a "regulated" shop, or bet that same horse at +142 at a offshore book. In this scenario on this bet, he reduces the rake on his wager from 20.3% down to 8.15%. And you call him a moron?

lets say he places this bet 5 times a week for the year (260 total). He wins 125 out of 260 races with these shorter priced horses. Through the track, he loses $800 for the year, offshore, he wins $4250. And he's a moron?

Learn some math before you go insulting someone, even though Bronxer probably didn't know the original poster was referring to a legal horse shop.

[paranoyd androyd]

why are fukkin people playing with books like this

wake the fukk up bro

exactly

[Trident]

Let's see, if we wanted to bet $100 to win on a horse at Emerald Downs that had a win pool of $22,000 on a horse that had $8350 bet on him, that mutual would come back $4.20 or +110. If he bet that same horse $100 to win through a shop offering a 10% +, the mutual would pay 4.40 at the track, and he would get a mutual after the add-on of $4.84 or +142.

So you could bet that horse +110 through a "regulated" shop, or bet that same horse at +142 at a offshore book. In this scenario on this bet, he reduces the rake on his wager from 20.3% down to 8.15%. And you call him a moron?

lets say he places this bet 5 times a week for the year (260 total). He wins 125 out of 260 races with these shorter priced horses. Through the track, he loses $800 for the year, offshore, he wins $4250. And he's a moron?

99.9% of Horse bettors couldn't hit that % of winners or do they play that way, while it looks good on paper getting a nice rebate in a regulated shop is the way to go unless you live in a state where you can't sign up.

[jjgold]

Right, play against your own money with 18% rake, when you can go offshore and reduce the hold to 8% with 10% added to the mutuals, and not bet against your own money at smaller tracks with smaller pools.

Let's see, if we wanted to bet $100 to win on a horse at Emerald Downs that had a win pool of $22,000 on a horse that had $8350 bet on him, that mutual would come back $4.20 or +110. If he bet that same horse $100 to win through a shop offering a 10% +, the mutual would pay 4.40 at the track, and he would get a mutual after the add-on of $4.84 or +142.

So you could bet that horse +110 through a "regulated" shop, or bet that same horse at +142 at a offshore book. In this scenario on this bet, he reduces the rake on his wager from 20.3% down to 8.15%. And you call him a moron?

lets say he places this bet 5 times a week for the year (260 total). He wins 125 out of 260 races with these shorter priced horses. Through the track, he loses $800 for the year, offshore, he wins $4250. And he's a moron?

Learn some math before you go insulting someone, even though Bronxer probably didn't know the original poster was referring to a legal horse shop.

What are good rebate horse books??

[BrianLaverty]

indio, you ARE an idiot if you live in the US and use offshore books if you are betting horses for a living.

For one thing, you can throw all those #'s away because the second that you win in horses... every sportsbook thats available to Americans will ban you from the racebook if you show that you have any idea what you are doing. This is obvious to anyone who has a clue.

Next... the limits at offshore books are horrible. Try to get more then 500 down and very few books will take it.

Lets take a look at 5dimes racebook limits:

The Super High Rebates Setting has the following limits:
Tracks A: WPS $500 max & 5% rebate, exotics $200 max & 9% rebate
Tracks B: WPS $500 max & 4% rebate, exotics $200 max & 8% rebate
Tracks C: WPS $200 max & 3% rebate, exotics $20 max & 6% rebate
D/E/Harness: WPS $100 max & 2% rebate, exotics $10 max & 4% rebate

The Standard Rebates Setting has the following limits:
Tracks A/B: WPS $500 max & 3% rebate, exotics $200 max & 6% rebate
Tracks C: WPS $200 max & 3% rebate, exotics $20 max & 6% rebate
Tracks D/E: WPS $20 max & 1% rebate, exotics $2 max & 2% rebate
Harness: WPS $10 max & 1% rebate, exotics $1 max & 2% rebate

The minimum wager amount is $0.25.

I can't find on the website where it says specific track limits, but I know for a fact I couldn't get 200+ down on many racetracks at 5dimes as I always got down.



Even at Bookmaker, the site where most people think is sharp, has rules like this:

• 10. All Quarter Horse Racing the Maximum Net Profit Per Race is $1,000
• Category D Tracks - MAXIMUM NET PROFIT: $3,000 (Per Race) NO REBATE
  
  
  
  Obviously there are no limits at places like bet America since it all goes into the pool.
  
  
  
  
  The only reason to use offshore racebooks is if you live outside the US and have access to LEGAL sportsbooks with racebooks, or if you are trying to manipulate the pool.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  

[BrianLaverty]

99.9% of Horse bettors couldn't hit that % of winners or do they play that way, while it looks good on paper getting a nice rebate in a regulated shop is the way to go unless you live in a state where you can't sign up.

I think its pretty obvious indio does not bet on horses much at all, with that kind of reasoning. Anyone with half a brain would use the regulated shops..

[Br0nxer]

indio, you ARE an idiot if you live in the US and use offshore books if you are betting horses for a living.

For one thing, you can throw all those #'s away because the second that you win in horses... every sportsbook thats available to Americans will ban you from the racebook if you show that you have any idea what you are doing. This is obvious to anyone who has a clue.

Next... the limits at offshore books are horrible. Try to get more then 500 down and very few books will take it.

Lets take a look at 5dimes racebook limits:

The Super High Rebates Setting has the following limits:
Tracks A: WPS $500 max & 5% rebate, exotics $200 max & 9% rebate
Tracks B: WPS $500 max & 4% rebate, exotics $200 max & 8% rebate
Tracks C: WPS $200 max & 3% rebate, exotics $20 max & 6% rebate
D/E/Harness: WPS $100 max & 2% rebate, exotics $10 max & 4% rebate

The Standard Rebates Setting has the following limits:
Tracks A/B: WPS $500 max & 3% rebate, exotics $200 max & 6% rebate
Tracks C: WPS $200 max & 3% rebate, exotics $20 max & 6% rebate
Tracks D/E: WPS $20 max & 1% rebate, exotics $2 max & 2% rebate
Harness: WPS $10 max & 1% rebate, exotics $1 max & 2% rebate

The minimum wager amount is $0.25.

I can't find on the website where it says specific track limits, but I know for a fact I couldn't get 200+ down on many racetracks at 5dimes as I always got down.



Even at Bookmaker, the site where most people think is sharp, has rules like this:

• 10. All Quarter Horse Racing the Maximum Net Profit Per Race is $1,000
• Category D Tracks - MAXIMUM NET PROFIT: $3,000 (Per Race) NO REBATE
  
  
  
  Obviously there are no limits at places like bet America since it all goes into the pool.
  
  
  
  
  The only reason to use offshore racebooks is if you live outside the US and have access to LEGAL sportsbooks with racebooks, or if you are trying to manipulate the pool.
  
  
  
  
  

betting horses for a living


its for shits and giggles for 99%

for me
100 win bet
50 exacta

might play 5 races a week on saturdays or sundays
saratoga-del mar

who the fukk needs more then 500 WPS on the big tracks

give me a fukkin break guy

[BrianLaverty]

What are good rebate horse books??

Bet America gives you 3% cash back on every wager.. and they are regulated. Best value out there IMO.

[BrianLaverty]

betting horses for a living


its for shits and giggles for 99%

for me
100 win bet
50 exacta

might play 5 races a week on saturdays or sundays
saratoga-del mar

who the fukk needs more then 500 WPS on the big tracks

give me a fukkin break guy

Why don't you just admit you don't have a clue on the topic? Telling people to use Heritage and 5Dimes with shitty limits when you could have no limits at all the REGULATED books?

[Br0nxer]

Why don't you just admit you don't have a clue on the topic? Telling people to use Heritage and 5Dimes with shitty limits when you could have no limits at all the REGULATED books?

because i had no idea the OP was talking about betting horses when i made post #2

he didn't state that

i thought he was just betting sports

i did not know betamerica was a legal regulated horse book

[Trident]

Bet America gives you 3% cash back on every wager.. and they are regulated. Best value out there IMO.

3% is a horrible on flats and a joke for exotics, much better rates available for regulated shops if you do your homework.

[jjgold]

If you bet horses it must only be legal usa shops and like some of the boys said try and find rebate shops

[lines freak]

They just allowed me to sign up and took my deposit! i log in and can't bet! I call and they tell the don't take bets from illinois! I say why on earth would allow me to sign up and take my deposit!!!?

She says becuase we are planning on offering fantasy football in the future! COMPLETE CRAP, now my gambling funds are screwed for the weekend!

Tack this on to the list of books to avoid. It's getting longer and longer

[Hankwins]

Providing you are a state they accept wagers from I'm sure they are great. I did a conference call with capital one and them to try to get my funds released and they said they couldn't speed up the process becuase it was listed as a cash advance. Totally ridiculous not to have a warning on the site of states that can't play.