[Sam Odom]

Accept = Will not bitch about or make-up loony conspiracies

5-4 Pro or Con on all or part of ObamaCare

The reason I ask... I cannot get an answer from most folk in person or online , mainly from Libs tho

[Sam Odom]

Sam Odom will be civil and will not bitch online or in real life if ObamaCare is upheld 5-4

[King Mayan]

Sammy not bitching???

that will never happen.

[MartinBlank]

Sam, you're head will explode if any provisions of this are upheld.

I can't see a way that it doesn't get overturned. It certainly is going to be interesting at 9:01 AM on Thursday.

[Sam Odom]

Sammy not bitching???

not over this SCOTUS decision I wont

Sam, you're head will explode if any provisions of this are upheld.

Why would I ? It is what it is... I wish Obama was as law abiding and respected the process - He acts like a spoiled brat when he doesnt get his way law be damn

[itchypickle]

There is a reason why the media has already been spinning it for weeks as "an extreme, radical court" so they can play it off when the one major 'accomplishment' of Obama that he put his heart into is deemed illegal. So much for Obama's constitutional understanding from being a 'professor' and Pelosi replying "Are you serious" to the question posed whether or not the law was keeping with constitutional limits.

[d2bets]

Democrats will accept by redoubling efforts at single-payer, which is where it's ultimately. Republicans are desperate to defeat this non-government run health care bill promoting individual responsibility provisions that Republicans used to favor and instead will force a push toward actual government-run health care.

Like I said righties, be careful what you wish for, because you might get it.

[Sam Odom]

Mayan , Martin & d2

So...??? will you accept a 5-4 pro or con

[Sam Odom]

Like I said righties, be careful what you wish for, because you might get it.

You would be shocked as to what Sammy Odom thinks should happen with Healthcare

[d2bets]

Mayan , Martin & d2

So...??? will you accept a 5-4 pro or con

Not sure what you mean by accept. I've got healthcare, I'm fine. I feel bad for those in limbo. I think eventually we'll join the rest of the civilized world and essentially have a medicare for all system. Overturning this law would speed that process up. So in the long run overturning the law would be a positive development.

[Sam Odom]

Not sure what you mean by accept.

Below...

Accept = Will not bitch about or make-up loony conspiracies

[MartinBlank]

I don't have much choice but to accept it. But, and this is the biggie----while American's aren't in favor of this mandate, polls have shown they agreed with a significant portion of this bill----especially things like not being able to exclude based on prior medical history----so if the GOP gets this beaten down, and they dont have a solution....which they don't---, Americans won't be happy with them either

[jw]

while American's aren't in favor of this mandate ...

That is not actually totally accurate .. the polls that the Republicans keep shouting and screaming about also show a portion of people "against Obamacare" who .. like me .. would like to scrap the bill .. and then pass an even stronger version of the bill which gives us a 100% government controlled healthcare option.

So while the Republicans may shout and scream that most are against .. in fact .. more people would rather have the bill as it stands right now .. than no version of the bill at all.

This is going to be another public policy decision where the Republicans are jumping up and down and calling for a version of something when they are in fact ... in a minority ...

[PAULYPOKER]

Will you accept a 5-4 SCOTUS decision on ObamaCare ?

Do you have a choice?

[Tully Mars 63]

I'll accept it. SCOTUS gets to make the call in the US.

[frogsrangers]

Will I accept it? Yes

Will I be happy with it? No. That would tell me that there are 4 judges on the supreme court that want to treat citizens as subjects, not citizens. That means we are just one death of a conservative justice away from absolute tyranny in this country.

Heck we were just one vote away from overturning the 2nd amendment. One more liberal on the court and we can kiss it goodbye.

[stevenash]

Intrade, which is dead on accurate has it at almost 80 percent.

[d2bets]

Intrade, which is dead on accurate has it at almost 80 percent.

More like 75% today.

[Sam Odom]

Do you have a choice?

Pauly , YOU have a choice to not bitch about it or make-up loony conspiracies something you do well BTW

[King Mayan]

So Sammy wants liberals to not bitch..

But will continue crying in players talk about Obama, until November..

nice..

NO DEAL!!

[Sam Odom]

Mayan will not accept a 5-4 in favor of ObamaCare

[GUMMO77]

So Sammy wants liberals to not bitch..

But will continue crying in players talk about Obama, until November..

nice..

NO DEAL!!

[PAULYPOKER]

Pauly , YOU have a choice to not bitch about it or make-up loony conspiracies something you do well BTW

The only thing loony here pal is the fogginess of your own mind.........

Maybe you should try Peyote to try and tap into your untouched Consciousness ,since you can not do it naturally...............

[Sam Odom]

Mayan will not accept a 5-4 in favor of ObamaCare

Add... GUMMO77

[Andy117]

Heck we were just one vote away from overturning the 2nd amendment. One more liberal on the court and we can kiss it goodbye.

There is no real movement to do away with the 2nd amendment.

[King Mayan]

There is no real movement to do away with the 2nd amendment.

Yes there is... RUSH said so..

[Shaudius]

If Roberts is writing the opinion its not 5-4 either way. Its upheld 6-3 or defeated 5-4.

[ChalkyDog]

It is impossible this bill gets overturned in entirety. I am sorry.

It is going to overturned in part only. Obamacare lives.

5-4 overturned is most likely due to conservative court.

[Sam Odom]

If it is 6-3 (pro or con) on mandate then there shouldnt be as much vitriolic rhetoric... like the 8-0 "papers please" on monday

[Tully Mars 63]

It is impossible this bill gets overturned in entirety. I am sorry.

It is going to overturned in part only. Obamacare lives.

5-4 overturned is most likely due to conservative court.

I agree.

[Shaudius]

If it is 6-3 (pro or con) on mandate then there shouldnt be as much vitriolic rhetoric... like the 8-0 "papers please" on monday

6-3 would be the four justices appointed by Democrats, a Republican appointee(Kennedy by Reagan) who sides with the liberal wing sometimes and the Chief Justice joining to show that the decision wasn't partisan and so he could write the decision. If Kennedy swings to the conservative wing then he's writing the opinion not Roberts because he has that kind of power, refuse to side with them if he doesn't get to write the opinion the way he wants to write it. If he wants to vote to uphold it he doesn't really have the same power because Roberts will make 6 in that case.

[Sam Odom]

It is going to overturned in part only. Obamacare lives.

If mandate is killed how does ObamaCare get funded ? Keep in mind appropriations must start in the House

[Shaudius]

If mandate is killed how does ObamaCare get funded ? Keep in mind appropriations must start in the House

The individual mandate isn't what funds the Affordable Care Act, the tax penalties for people who forgo insurance are minor in the grand scheme of the ACA. The individual mandate is important because it allows insurance companies to continue to earn money while providing the real benefits of the Affordable Care Act, guaranteed issue and community rating(the Medicaid expansion and tax credits would still exist to allow more people to be insured if the individual mandate is struck down, but obviously not if the Medicaid expansion is shot down, which is also an issue in the case, those benefits are partially paid for through a medical device tax, among other things).

The real problem with overturning the individual mandate and not overturning guaranteed issue and community rating is that if guaranteed issue exists without the individual mandate, no one has any incentive to obtain coverage prior to getting sick, so people, who are guaranteed coverage at the point of service will wait to get insurance until when they need it, effectively killing the private health insurance market. Insurance companies in that scenario would still be allowed to employ reasonable waiting periods for coverage, but as long as you could wait the proscribed period you could continue to free load until you got sick, that is to say unless you required emergency care, in which case the public would still foot the bill for you much as they do now.

Oh and in case you were wondering. Don't hold your breath if you think overturning the Affordable Care Act is going to somehow lead to less government spending. Here's what a Republican Congressman said on just that issue two days ago,

"

"If the Supreme Court strikes down Obamacare, I would certainly support using the savings to replace the cuts contained in the FY 2013 Obama budget. I believe that most GOP Defense appropriators and House Armed Services Committee members would feel the same way," said Rep. Tom Cole (R-Okla), who sits on the House Defense Appropriations Subcommittee."

[agharah1]

Its not a conspiracy if everybody knows how it works. And if people didn't bitch about things, the Internet would be just about useless.

[d2bets]

Strike the individual mandate = Republicans for Free Riders