[rm18]

Wade is going Hall. Dude will be playing another 5 years.

He will have multiple rings, a finals MVP.

He is hall bound.

2007

[ChalkyDog]

Lebron doesn't make players around him better is part of the problem. He doesn't even draw attention away from others as well as he can. Put that is getting a little too in depth.

Without Battier and Chalmers having some great games, Heat might be down 3-1, so all of the Lebron James praise is a little stupid. Hell, Cole changed the momentum and this game with those 2 3's, so James definitely has had enough help.

I seriously can't tell if this is sarcasm. LeBron is a much better distributor than Jordan ever was. The guy was dishing assists left and right this game, drawing double teams at will. Chalmers and Battier are open because of Bron.

Signed,

Member of Bron hate club.

[gamble]

Lebron reminded me more of Magic Johnson tonight than MJ anyway, so we're having the wrong discussion anyway. Lebron will never be Jordan even if he does win 6 titles. Because we all know he won't be taking 'the' shots. He'll be deferring.

i think that is a much better comparison to begin with actually, LBJ doesn't have a jumpshot to consistently shoot at the end of games and its harder to penetrate at the end of games because refs don't call fouls like they do earlier on

[crustyme]

yeah, wow, reached the finals. Quite an accomplishment.

stop being a dick, brahma.

youre lucky i even talk to you after all your shenanigans.

[crustyme]

Wade is going Hall. Dude will be playing another 5 years.

He will have multiple rings, a finals MVP.

He is hall bound.

2006-7 cavs

[PickWinnerAllDay]

stop being a dick, brahma.

youre lucky i even talk to you after all your shenanigans.

If that is luck, I'd prefer not to have it.

[ThaTopMoron]

one thing you can say about lebron is he reached the finals without a hall of fame sidekick. jordan couldnt even advance past 1st round without pippen.

Cavs reached the Finals because the East was utter shit that year... even Cavs fans will admit that. why the hell you think they got swept out

[PickWinnerAllDay]

Crustyme is obviously a 20 something and doesn't really recall MJ's greatness. I'm also a 20 something, but I was smart enough to watch the games when I was older.

I remember that Suns' series. Pippen wasn't very good. Jordan dragged them over the hump. I remember game 5 in particular. Pippen had like 7 turnovers even though the ball was in Jordan's hands 99% of the game as he was dropping 55 of their 111.

[ChalkyDog]

2007 cavs, gotcha.

You can't compare the east when the Pistons were king, with Thomas and The Jordan Stopper himself in Dumars. To the load of shit it was in 2007.

Also, if you are willing to hold Pippen to some insane esteem, look at his accomplishments when Jordan wasn't his batman.

[ThaTopMoron]

Moron, I disagree. Sonics were probably their toughest of the 6, IMO.

haha maybe... the Bulls that year were just TOO GOOD, they made them look like the worst of the 6

what was the combined record for the Bulls that year 72-10 + playoffs... hmmm

[rm18]

2007 cavs, gotcha.

You can't compare the east when the Pistons were king, with Thomas and The Jordan Stopper himself in Dumars. To the load of shit it was in 2007.

Also, if you are willing to hold Pippen to some insane esteem, look at his accomplishments when Jordan wasn't his batman.

Pippen was 3rd in the MVP race in 1994 http://www.basketball-reference.com/...ards_1994.html

[rm18]

1993 Suns were really good and deep except Barkley was playing hurt.

[ChalkyDog]

Pippen was 3rd in the MVP race in 1994 http://www.basketball-reference.com/...ards_1994.html

I am a Bulls fan, remember buying every damn finals and championship t-shirt. Own 1 Jordan jersey, the rest are Pippen. I personally like Pippen better than Jordan, and was always a bigger fan of his.

But, the argument that Pippen is the reason Jordan was Jordan is utter bullshit. Two great players, one the GOAT, on a team. A team that could have 8 peated if it wasn't for a gamblin..... errrr baseball sidetrack of Jordans.

[crustyme]

Pippen was 3rd in the MVP race in 1994 http://www.basketball-reference.com/...ards_1994.html

exactly.

pippen led the bulls in every category that season (2nd in reb) and led them past 1st round, something jordan could never do without pippen. wouldve advanced to conf finals if not for that crooked ref hue hollins with one of the worst bs calls ever. bulls also won 55 games that season, just 2 less than previous season with jordan.

[greenhippo]

Crustyme is obviously a 20 something and doesn't really recall MJ's greatness. I'm also a 20 something, but I was smart enough to watch the games when I was older.

I remember that Suns' series. Pippen wasn't very good. Jordan dragged them over the hump. I remember game 5 in particular. Pippen had like 7 turnovers even though the ball was in Jordan's hands 99% of the game as he was dropping 55 of their 111.

Pippen had 3 turnovers

[PickWinnerAllDay]

Pippen had 3 turnovers

What box score you looking at guy?

Starters	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
Michael Jordan	46:00	21	37	.568	0	1	.000	13	18	.722	1	7	8	4	0	0	1	3	55
Scottie Pippen	44:00	7	14	.500	0	2	.000	0	2	.000	0	6	6	10	1	0	6	1	14
Horace Grant	37:00	7	11	.636	0	0		3	6	.500	8	8	16	2	3	3	0	5	17
B.J. Armstrong	35:00	4	10	.400	1	2	.500	2	2	1.000	0	2	2	6	3	1	1	2	11
Bill Cartwright	30:00	1	4	.250	0	0		1	2	.500	2	3	5	2	0	0	0	4	3
Reserves	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
John Paxson	18:00	2	5	.400	2	4	.500	0	0		1	2	3	1	0	0	1	2	6
Scott Williams	14:00	1	1	1.000	0	0		0	0		0	1	1	0	0	1	0	6	2
Stacey King	9:00	1	1	1.000	0	0		1	2	.500	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	3	3
Rodney McCray	4:00	0	0		0	0		0	0		0	1	1	0	0	0	1	0	0
Darrell Walker	2:00	0	0		0	0		0	1	.000	0	0	0	1	0	0	0	0	0
Trent Tucker	1:00	0	0		0	0		0	0		0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0

This one says 6. I've seen a 7 there though. Where you getting 3?

[crustyme]

Pippen had 3 turnovers

brahmakerry caught in another lie?

im shocked.

[greenhippo]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...306180CHI.html

I'm looking at Game 5??????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????

[greenhippo]

Uh, what boxscore you looking at buddy?

[PickWinnerAllDay]

Uh, what boxscore you looking at buddy?

It was game 4 for the 55 point game, but still, you should have realized I was talking about the 55 point MJ game, since, well, I said 55 points.

[greenhippo]

What box score you looking at guy?

Starters	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
Michael Jordan	46:00	21	37	.568	0	1	.000	13	18	.722	1	7	8	4	0	0	1	3	55
Scottie Pippen	44:00	7	14	.500	0	2	.000	0	2	.000	0	6	6	10	1	0	6	1	14
Horace Grant	37:00	7	11	.636	0	0		3	6	.500	8	8	16	2	3	3	0	5	17
B.J. Armstrong	35:00	4	10	.400	1	2	.500	2	2	1.000	0	2	2	6	3	1	1	2	11
Bill Cartwright	30:00	1	4	.250	0	0		1	2	.500	2	3	5	2	0	0	0	4	3
Reserves	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
John Paxson	18:00	2	5	.400	2	4	.500	0	0		1	2	3	1	0	0	1	2	6
Scott Williams	14:00	1	1	1.000	0	0		0	0		0	1	1	0	0	1	0	6	2
Stacey King	9:00	1	1	1.000	0	0		1	2	.500	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	3	3
Rodney McCray	4:00	0	0		0	0		0	0		0	1	1	0	0	0	1	0	0
Darrell Walker	2:00	0	0		0	0		0	1	.000	0	0	0	1	0	0	0	0	0
Trent Tucker	1:00	0	0		0	0		0	0		0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0

This one says 6. I've seen a 7 there though. Where you getting 3?

That one says Game 4. I see you saying 'in particular game 5" Where are you getting the 7?

[PickWinnerAllDay]

That one says Game 4. I see you saying 'in particular game 5" Where are you getting the 7?

I think the overall point is that Pippen wasn't that good in that series.

[greenhippo]

So you say "I went back and watched the games, IN PARTICULAR GAME 5 of the Phoenix series" so by you saying Game 5 I should have taken that as Game 4? Reaching man, just admit you thought 4 was 5 and move on.

[greenhippo]

I think the overall point is that Pippen wasn't that good in that series.

Not what I'm arguing

I wouldn't put Pippen top 30.

[PickWinnerAllDay]

Not what I'm arguing

I wouldn't put Pippen top 30.

What we were discussing was the amount MJ/Lebron got from their teammates. I think Lebron is getting more from the Heat than Jordan got in a lot of his 6 titles. Especially the Suns' series.

[neverstoppers23]

Jordan had one of the greatest supporting casts. So its a nice little stat, but don't see how it helps you evaluate how great of a player he is.

[crustyme]

I think the overall point is that Pippen wasn't that good in that series.

youre an idiot.

21.2ppg 9.2 rpg 7.7apg 2 steals wasnt good?

[PickWinnerAllDay]

youre an idiot.

21.2ppg 9.2 rpg 7.7apg 2 steals wasnt good?

Says the guy who claims that Jordan isn't that good b/c he only scored every point but 3 in the 4th of a closing game.

[crustyme]

Says the guy who claims that Jordan isn't that good b/c he only scored every point but 3 in the 4th of a closing game.

why are you such a moron?

[paranoyd androyd]

Except for Lebron and Kobe and shaq and magic and bird and all the other guys who have lost in the finals

Its MJ and timmeh....and everyone else.

Yep.

And the Gold Standard in the NFL is the 49ers.. 5-0 in Superbowls.

Everyone else is competing for the scraps.

/thread

[jjgold]

Real easy

only one Jordan

Jordon did not have this massive pressure on him