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well now I disagree again. Does DT really have any ideas? I mean serious ideas? Yes, it is easy to bash immigrants, yes it is easy to claim trade deals aren't fair, or China is cheating, or we need tariffs. But, how many of these "ideas" did he do a 180 on. One day tariffs are coming, next week they are modified, a week later they are on again. One week he is calling Kim names, two weeks later he is speaking nice.
How many ideas of DT have actually come to fruition? Yes he has passed a tax plan rewarding the very rich. BTW, in his campaign, he said that the rich will have to pay more. Instead he gave them a huge tax break, which means he gave himself and his family a huge tax break. Now he is talking about rejoining with trade partners after he pulled out. What did he present in lieu of the Iran treaty? He is not a great negotiator and deal maker he is a great BS artist. So much of what he promised has not been answered. So much of what he said has been a 180. Where is coal today? Is he even addressing it? Where is infrastructure?
The president of the USA wastes his time tweeting nonsense about nonsense, is totally inconsistent and contradictory on both domestic and foreign policy and inherited a much-improving economy from Obama.Comment -
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Yeah, I'm old school and think that if you get wealth it should either be given voluntarily, or earned, not forcibly taken by politicians and given to you.
In reality, you're the one who wants to sit on his ass while everyone does the work and the government takes it and gives some to you.Comment -
One thing about the left that drives me nuts is that they always argue against their own ideas and concepts. You see it with hicks in this thread, saying we could solve world hinger by taking half of Jeff Bezos' wealth, but is protesting against taking the Saudi's wealth, despite having multiple times more than Bezos.
It's the same thing with the living wage crap. They understand that some people aren't interested in working for $8 an hour, but could be enticed to work for $18, but then argue for the opposite. Someone making $54 an hour is a lot less likely to work if after taxes their pay is $24 an hour.Comment -
PI Mike asked if they enjoy seeing the extra money in their paycheck?
PI, I don't think we call the checks they get "pay checks", if you get my drift.
Josh is right. Again. Much of the left looks on with envious eyes instead of getting off the couch and going for it.
One of the libs here told me his priorities were not to work hard and get ahead. But was to live life. Well ok, good by me. But as Pink Floyd said 'keep your hands off my stack...Jack'.Comment -
You can do that. Run a business on the down low. What's yours is yours. Make sure you charge for your retirement fund
and actually put it into an account or be penniless come retirement.
Do you mind contributing to SS and Medicare or is that a no no to you also? The way it sounds you want ALL the money
and if you are penniless that's on you. Right?
No one gave me shit my friend. What I have I worked very hard for. No ass sitting, actual work. When the money wasn't
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this is probably true, the problem is how do you force people to take that money and invest it. And if you do force them what is worse taking some money out of their checks every week or forcing them to invest. But, the main point is some people simply won't invest it voluntarily and they will be destitute. Then what do we do? Since we live in a country that cares (just a little) the government will need to come to their aid anyway. Unless we want to have millions more on the street living like dogs. So it is 6 of one, half dozen of another.
Taxes are a necessary evil in a civilized republic or democracy, actually in any basic type of government they are a necessary evil. The person that develops a totally fair tax plan will be considered an economic genius since it probably doesn't exist. I have never had a problem paying taxes, and I have received virtually nothing from the federal government in the form of transfer payments. That doesn't mean I don't benefit because I certainly do. I receive all types of goodies, protection from fire and harm, use of public transportation, and a host of other goodies.
Things people rarely think of are benefits coming from the fed, state or local. They just think they deserve them, and they do, but they need to be paid for.Last edited by dante1; 06-04-18, 02:09 PM.Comment -
You don't force people to invest, however you will see the average person get a 15% boost to their paycheck, which will boost the economy. If people can invest their SS money in the stock market, it will be worth more and society will be wealthier. People will be able to pass millions on to their children. Some people might not save, but that person isn't on an island, they'll have family, friends, and there is a social fabric that can help take care of some people. Even if you believe that a small % will be destitute, why not use the common good argument that the left always uses and realize that society would be better off by investing rather than putting your money in SS?
Few people argue against all taxation, I just argue against destructive taxation, which destroy freedom or destroy incentive to build or produce. Outside times of war and prior to 1913, we didn't have income taxes, corporate taxes, payroll taxes, or capital gains taxes, yet we were still a civilized society with the highest standard of living in the world, and we had a strong social safety net via a strong network of charities. Despite a much lower tax burden, we still had fire and police departments, roads, public transport, etc.Comment -
good points, but no matter how many raises you give some people will not save, simply won't do it. and then at retirement these people will have nothing. as I wrote it is one evil or another.
the taxation in this country obviously didn't destroy incentive or the ability to produce, when we had the highest taxation in the history of our country was the decade that we had some of the greatest prosperity. I don't buy that corporations are overtaxed, the results in our productivity and our inventiveness proves just the opposite.
I certainly understand your points, I simply don't agree with your conclusions.Comment -
I constantly tell them to google Obama's accomplishments. but that is probably fake news. They see what they believe, Thor. No facts, no logic, no science nothing is enough to change the mind of a person that wants to believe what they want to believe. Look at Dwightie, Brooks, Petepan/rifleman have you ever encountered any three as dumb as those three? Nothing will change the mind of an idiot.
BTW, where is dwightie, when he gets embarrassed he becomes scarce? lol He does it all the time, if two or three gangs up on that poor idiot he is gone.Comment -
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the military brass disagrees with you vehemently, did you know that? Obama never made a racist statement in his life, at least as a resident he didn't. you just think he did. and you can't go on and on because everything he tried he did with the health of the country in mind, like health care and hundreds of others.
look it up, research it, don't believe me. stop for one-second reading far-right shit and read some normal award-winning news.Comment -
Will there be people that will never, ever save, no matter how old they are or how close they are to wanting to retire? Sure, although I don't know that will be a very high number. The questions are, will those people be destitute? I doubt it, hardly anyone is on an island, plenty of friends and family can help, as can society. Let's say I'm wrong on that. Is it worth holding almost all of society back due to the irresponsibility of a few?
The taxation did cause problems, we don't grow as fast as we did in times of lower taxes, and investment dollars have flown to other countries than America, which caused their workers to have greater standard of living increases than American workers.
you don't agree with my conclusions, or we don't share the same values?Comment -
I don't remember what I said. I'm sure I never used the word force. Just made a comparison of what could be done with the money, I don't think I even said take it from Bezos. Just if you had 1/2 of his worth.
Either way your still moving goalpost, putting words in my mouth, adlibbing, to fit a twisted narrative. I mean you are the guy that advocates for child labor.
In the end nobody is worth a 100 billion dollars when children in this country live on the street.
Sorry Josh, I'm just not a Cold Hard Bitch like you.Comment -
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Next time Bernie says something about making someone pay a certain amount, just say, "Or else" afterwords. "We're going to make the millionaires and billionaires pay their fair share, or else!" You're not going to use force to make someone pay their "fair share"? Should we raise Bezos' tax rate to 50%? What if he says it's too high and he isn't paying it? The rest won't be taken by force? You do want to take from Bezos. How much exactly? And why not go after the Saudi Royal Family, since they have much more than Bezos?
Name one place I've ever advocated for child labor. I have said that child labor laws are pretty much worthless since children have such a low productivity level no one will hire them, and parents aren't going to pull their kids out of school and make them work 80 hours a week for a nickel an hour. This is a perfect example of you putting words in my mouth.
Why don't you educate us? You're the one who claimed people from all around the world would sit in the belly of a rickety old boat for a month or 2 to come to America, where in many cases they didn't even speak the language, because America offered an ever-so-slight higher standard of living than where they came from.Comment -
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GDP growth is huge. Thanks President Trump!!
Bill lol still doesn’t get how wrong he was...
20 years later he still doesn’t get it.Comment -
You mean Bezos should pay his tax's like the rest of do? Last year he paid nothing. How much did he take from the American people?
Does he still keep an ambulance outside his warehouses when people pass out because its 110 degrees & he's to cheap to buy air conditioning? Are some of his working still on food stamps? Does he still offer crap or no benefits? You tell me what he should pay.
Still don't know why you keep bringing up the Saudis, they don't live in America.
Thought you said you didn't mine child labor, or you thought they should work.
I never said that, you did. Your the one who wants to return to the 19th century. I think I said some of those people just returned home because it wasn't much better here.
Neil Diamond LOL
Everybody knows the deal is rotten
Old black Joe still pickin' cotton
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You only pay taxes if you're profitable, and Amazon wasn't profitable for years. Those years losing money are carried forward and count against their current profits.You mean Bezos should pay his tax's like the rest of do? Last year he paid nothing. How much did he take from the American people?
Does he still keep an ambulance outside his warehouses when people pass out because its 110 degrees & he's to cheap to buy air conditioning? Are some of his working still on food stamps? Does he still offer crap or no benefits? You tell me what he should pay.
Still don't know why you keep bringing up the Saudis, they don't live in America.
Thought you said you didn't mine child labor, or you thought they should work.
I never said that, you did. Your the one who wants to return to the 19th century. I think I said some of those people just returned home because it wasn't much better here.
Neil Diamond LOL
Everybody knows the deal is rotten
Old black Joe still pickin' cotton
For your ribbons and bows
I don't know. I know that those warehouse jobs start at $12, and if you work full time, you legally mush pay their benefits. I think he and Amazon should pay 0, and the only tax we should have in America is a sales tax. Your turn, what should he and his companies pay?
Who cares where they live, they have money. You have advocated confiscating the money of corporations and people to solve social problems, even said that if they've made profit by selling in America, which Saudi Arabia has done, they should pay that society back. Why don't you want one of the 2 wealthiest families in the world to do that?
I never advocated for child labor, I said the parents wouldn't pull their kids out of school and make them take full time jobs for a dime an hour, which makes those child labor laws redundant.
From post #208 in this thread: https://www.sportsbookreview.com/for...ax-scheme.html
I would like to return government to a much smaller size.Yeah people left a shitty life there, for a little less shitty life here.Comment -
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That's not the reason they didn't pay tax's this year.
No Amazon hires a lot of part time & Seasonal worker around the holidays.
Well it does matter were they live & according to the Nuremberg trials that would be against international law.
WOW that sounds a little different than the way you worded it. LOL
Then start taxing land site value & economic rents like the classical economist wrote. Our tax system is backwards on purpose.Comment
