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  • chase1
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 11-02-09
    • 842
    #11131
    Trader's paradise right now.

    If any of you are interested in options, I would suggest you read "Get Rich with Options" By Lee Lowell

    It's one of the first books I read when I started trading regularly back in 2010. If you got the capital, you could make it work very well and grow it exponentially. Even if you don't, you can do it on the side for extra income as it can be income generating. Just putting it out there. It is an excellent book and an easy read. I have read a lot of books on options and some can make it more intimidating or complicated than is necessary. The great thing about it is you can make money in an up, down or sideways market and they very best thing is you don't always have to be right. That's the beauty of it.

    Best one out there for beginners and don't take my word for it just read a few of the reviews. Here is the book link-

    Get Rich with Options: Four Winning Strategies Straight from the Exchange Floor: Lowell, Lee: 8601300284484: Amazon.com: Books

    You can find it cheaper, I'm sure. He's got newer editions but I wouldn't pay more for it. I doubt he can add much more to it it's just to sell more books. Anyone wants to know more advanced stuff just ask or PM me... or any traders of options that might have any other suggestions.
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      • Doublethink
        SBR Sharp
        • 05-21-21
        • 415
        #11132
        S&P 500 @ 4500 level very critical right now.

        Was today's move to make Jan. look like a save for the market firms? I'm on the wait and see list.
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          • chase1
            SBR Wise Guy
            • 11-02-09
            • 842
            #11133
            Originally posted by Doublethink
            Was today's move to make Jan. look like a save for the market firms? I'm on the wait and see list.
            You can't help but think that way. I'm remaining neutral as well and being more cautious than aggressive with any trades I put on. It's hard to trust this rally since Friday since we have failed on any rips the last few months. I'm hoping it goes up, but I see it like some others here that we could get a lower leg down and test those lows and possibly break it. Maybe it tires out by tomorrow or Wed but I'm not great at predictions.

            Can the Nasdaq finally end the week positive after today's big move? It certainly won't look good if we don't. We were headed for a 6th straight down week before moving barely into the green thanks to Friday's rally. I pretty much call last week a wash.
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              • Slurry Pumper
                SBR MVP
                • 06-18-18
                • 2811
                #11134
                So the SPY is right at the lower level of what I was looking for here. The upper range is going to be the 20DMA or about $456. The 20 and the 100 DMA are going to cross today and I can't help but think that is the goal for today if the market continues this rally. Down south on the S&P there are a lot of support levels but the one that really matters is the 200DMA ($442.50) below that and the break down is on with only a few steps away from a new low at $420.75. That seems like a long way off but we have seen big spreads lately and by the end of the week the SPY can be right back down there and I don't think anyone would be surprised.

                Yesterday, I sold most of my calls in the QQQ and SPY leaving just a small portion to see what happens today. Totally looking at the IWM and the $DJT to participate. I would like the IWM to rally up today and maybe tomorrow to the $208 level. If that happens that trade with PUTS is totally intact and I would pound that pretty hard. We'll see it is best to just wait and see letting the trades come to us rather than trying to force a narrative.
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                  • Snowball
                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                    • 11-15-09
                    • 30050
                    #11135
                    As I expected January has been rough. I got out of the short positions (puts) but will only emphasize that ppl consider the geopolitical stresses along with the financial market stresses (Fed more hawkish), there will be impacts in the energy markets and other sectors depending upon what happens on the geopolitical stage. So be prepared to adjust. The only tech sector I am bullish would be non-Asian semiconductors. I like rare earths but again, non-Asian with the Chinese situation. Right now we are at a pause for Olympics. If China and Europe are going to be safe invesments then we'll have to see more positive diplomacy... so the markets won't be thoroughly dependable for a while. There could very well be another downturn after the Olympics. Small domestic FOSSIL FUEL ONLY energy is a good place.
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                      • trobin31
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 01-09-14
                        • 9853
                        #11136
                        Originally posted by snowball
                        as i expected january has been rough. I got out of the short positions (puts) but will only emphasize that ppl consider the geopolitical stresses along with the financial market stresses (fed more hawkish), there will be impacts in the energy markets and other sectors depending upon what happens on the geopolitical stage. So be prepared to adjust. The only tech sector i am bullish would be non-asian semiconductors. I like rare earths but again, non-asian with the chinese situation. Right now we are at a pause for olympics. If china and europe are going to be safe invesments then we'll have to see more positive diplomacy... So the markets won't be thoroughly dependable for a while. There could very well be another downturn after the olympics. Small domestic fossil fuel only energy is a good place.
                        uuuu
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                          • homie1975
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 12-24-13
                            • 15452
                            #11137
                            Originally posted by Snowball
                            As I expected January has been rough. I got out of the short positions (puts) but will only emphasize that ppl consider the geopolitical stresses along with the financial market stresses (Fed more hawkish), there will be impacts in the energy markets and other sectors depending upon what happens on the geopolitical stage. So be prepared to adjust. The only tech sector I am bullish would be non-Asian semiconductors. I like rare earths but again, non-Asian with the Chinese situation. Right now we are at a pause for Olympics. If China and Europe are going to be safe invesments then we'll have to see more positive diplomacy... so the markets won't be thoroughly dependable for a while. There could very well be another downturn after the Olympics. Small domestic FOSSIL FUEL ONLY energy is a good place.
                            That's what I'm talkin' bout SNOWer !!

                            the geopolitical backdrop is too intense right now.

                            not only do we have Russia v Ukraine but China is hovering around Taiwan and of course Little Rocket Man is launching more missile tests. the world powers are trying to test us (i am going to leave my political opinion out of it because it is what it is) and we need to make market decisions keeping these huge macro issues in mind.

                            i agree with JOSHer that we retest the recent lows and make lower lows. if i am wrong, great, it means we are up from here. if i am right, then it will time to look for DCA opportunities in all of the growth stuff i bought in 2021.
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                              • Slurry Pumper
                                SBR MVP
                                • 06-18-18
                                • 2811
                                #11138
                                Well the bull rally continues today as the SPY moved up after taking all day to shake off the $450 level in the last hour to the next level of interest $453. This is just below the 20 and 100 DMA cross. There is another level just above that at around $457 and that to me is about as far as I'm willing to give this rally before the expected turn around.
                                The QQQ had a good day running up to the 200 DMA and closing just below it. The 20 DMA is next tomorrow at $368.50 and maybe a spike of it.
                                The IWM participated today and close at just about the same level it was at during the FED minutes last week. Like I said the IWM needs to get above that for me to believe. It hasn't yet but I'm still watching to see. Could go either way.
                                The $DJT did participate today shooting up to and spiking briefly through the 20 and 100 DMA convergence. The transports are a leading indicator and it is leading the others to the spot.
                                Looking at the VIX came crashing down past the 20 and 50 DMA. I do expect a reaction tomorrow or Thursday.

                                Put all this shyt together and WTF is going to happen?
                                Well I think we get an early spike tomorrow of the moving averages but end up with a down day. I don't think that the markets will just continue to march up. Resistance will come into play and the rejection at those resistance levels will let us know if the downturn is another slide down the mining shaft, or just a little pullback in a countertrend up. The lows from 2 Monday's ago is the line in the sand. I don't think that happens, I think the pullback will stop before the line in the sand and we will consolidate for a while or market will go a little higher for a few weeks before taking another dump a few weeks before the next fed meeting.
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                                  • trobin31
                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                    • 01-09-14
                                    • 9853
                                    #11139
                                    Bought some Zoom calls ITM, about a month out, nothing crazy in case goes to zero...put ratio is still high so who knows how long they pin it down

                                    Bank OZK looks like a safe solid play here as does CARV, it's also black history month so may get a momentum swing since CARV is a black owned bank
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                                      • RangeFinder
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 10-27-16
                                        • 8041
                                        #11140
                                        Picked up AMZN on Friday, will sell on the earnings news.
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                                          • homie1975
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 12-24-13
                                            • 15452
                                            #11141
                                            Nasdaq and the VXN both moved up today. That tells us there is still fear out there. Not a good sign for the tech growth high fliers.
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                                              • Slurry Pumper
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 06-18-18
                                                • 2811
                                                #11142
                                                Originally posted by Slurry Pumper
                                                Well the bull rally continues today as the SPY moved up after taking all day to shake off the $450 level in the last hour to the next level of interest $453. This is just below the 20 and 100 DMA cross. There is another level just above that at around $457 and that to me is about as far as I'm willing to give this rally before the expected turn around.
                                                The QQQ had a good day running up to the 200 DMA and closing just below it. The 20 DMA is next tomorrow at $368.50 and maybe a spike of it.
                                                The IWM participated today and close at just about the same level it was at during the FED minutes last week. Like I said the IWM needs to get above that for me to believe. It hasn't yet but I'm still watching to see. Could go either way.
                                                The $DJT did participate today shooting up to and spiking briefly through the 20 and 100 DMA convergence. The transports are a leading indicator and it is leading the others to the spot.
                                                Looking at the VIX came crashing down past the 20 and 50 DMA. I do expect a reaction tomorrow or Thursday.

                                                Put all this shyt together and WTF is going to happen?
                                                Well I think we get an early spike tomorrow of the moving averages but end up with a down day. I don't think that the markets will just continue to march up. Resistance will come into play and the rejection at those resistance levels will let us know if the downturn is another slide down the mining shaft, or just a little pullback in a countertrend up. The lows from 2 Monday's ago is the line in the sand. I don't think that happens, I think the pullback will stop before the line in the sand and we will consolidate for a while or market will go a little higher for a few weeks before taking another dump a few weeks before the next fed meeting.
                                                So I don't always make good predictions but I do pretty well on most days. Today the IWM didn't participate and couldn't get above the Fed day high. The QQQ spiked through the convergences of the 20 and 200 DMA then stalled out. The transports gapped up and couldn't keep it going.

                                                With all that in mind I bought some SPY PUTS at $457 strike (Mar 2). Tomorrow if I come back and the market continues to move up, $460 buying more, $462 buy the rest for the full load if it gets there. My typical 16,33,50% step in at play here. and I'm out above $463.50 on hourly closes.

                                                I'm not looking for the trap door to open and the market gets swallowed up here, just a regular pullback is where I will start. So SPY at the nice easy number of $450 is the first level before re-evaluation, next is a zone of $446 - $444 is where I realistically expect this thing to wander down to. I also think it can take a week or more to get there with a chop shop meandering tape. Today was boring as hell waiting for the market to eek out the gains on decreasing volume so a little consolidation is probably in order. The VIX came back down and bounced a little bit off of the 100 DMA towards the 50 DMA so maybe the fear picks up who knows, I'm not predicting it.
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                                                  • Slurry Pumper
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 06-18-18
                                                    • 2811
                                                    #11143
                                                    I didn't even look at the aftermarket last night when I posted the last post. FakeBook came in and got the beat down like a Uyghur in a Chinese sweat shop who can't figure out how to properly sew some Nike apparel. Just do it!

                                                    Its just funny how there always seems to be a catalyst right when an important number is reached in the market. Almost a tin foil hat wearing event. Now this morning we get the unemployment claims and we will see if that is a further push for the market to take a little dive.
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                                                      • k13
                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                        • 07-16-10
                                                        • 18104
                                                        #11144
                                                        Originally posted by guitarjosh
                                                        The Nasdaq is still oversold, but I think we retest the lows and make lower lows.
                                                        By what numbers is it oversold?
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                                                          • k13
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 07-16-10
                                                            • 18104
                                                            #11145
                                                            Is everyone here just a long?
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                                                              • trobin31
                                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                • 01-09-14
                                                                • 9853
                                                                #11146
                                                                So far Tesla is holding its trendline going back to July 2020...unless this is last point of supply and nukes below, likely see a bounce to 1,500 after this correction is over
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                                                                  • Lineman
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 11-21-09
                                                                    • 2594
                                                                    #11147
                                                                    Originally posted by Lineman


                                                                    This is a weekly chart, so longer term view...50 is trying to hold with fingernails, maybe a bounce from here to put a right shoulder.....One of many scenarios!.....or things are really bad, going straight down....100? is way down there!....

                                                                    Is the right shoulder in than? Volume is the ?
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                                                                      • Lineman
                                                                        SBR MVP
                                                                        • 11-21-09
                                                                        • 2594
                                                                        #11148




                                                                        I am watching these 2 patterns that the MHP(Manual Harmonic Patterns) found in tradingview. I don't have much experience with these patterns, let's see how and if they play out...Predicting a W (double bottom) here.....
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                                                                          • RangeFinder
                                                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                            • 10-27-16
                                                                            • 8041
                                                                            #11149
                                                                            Originally posted by RangeFinder
                                                                            Picked up AMZN on Friday, will sell on the earnings news.
                                                                            Amazon just reported blowout earnings and popped 17% in after hours trading. This is a good day.
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                                                                              • homie1975
                                                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                                                • 12-24-13
                                                                                • 15452
                                                                                #11150
                                                                                Originally posted by rangefinder
                                                                                amazon just reported blowout earnings and popped 17% in after hours trading. This is a good day.
                                                                                well done !!!
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                                                                                  • antifoil
                                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                                    • 11-11-09
                                                                                    • 3993
                                                                                    #11151
                                                                                    all that selling because of facebook was fakenews. the only people using facebook are dying of covid, so of course its daily active users has gone down.
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                                                                                      • homie1975
                                                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                                                        • 12-24-13
                                                                                        • 15452
                                                                                        #11152
                                                                                        Originally posted by antifoil
                                                                                        all that selling because of facebook was fakenews. the only people using facebook are dying of covid, so of course its daily active users has gone down.
                                                                                        FB is so much more than a social media app, it's all about the METAVERSE and btw they also own Instagram and WhatsApp so going forward it is a tremendous growth stock.

                                                                                        BUY.
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                                                                                          • Slurry Pumper
                                                                                            SBR MVP
                                                                                            • 06-18-18
                                                                                            • 2811
                                                                                            #11153
                                                                                            Well that Amazon bump didn't even make it until the next day before things started to sour. They did so well on a per share basis but missed the revenue. Sounds like a shell game operation there. We'll see we have jobs coming out in about an hour and the way things have been lately it may be a big surprise either way.

                                                                                            So yesterday I sat there as all the markets melted away and went down much further than I thought it would. To the point where the SPY short play I have on is right above the level that I thought it would eventually get to in like a week. Yesterday the VIX spiked back up above the 50 DMA so that usually means bad things for the markets. This morning the VIX continues to rise so far.

                                                                                            I have all of my short PUTS on still after evaluating yesterday when the SPY got stuck around the $450 number again for a while before taking a dump into the close. I have to admit the Amazon earnings at first made me rethink my position and maybe I should have taken some profits. As we all know pigs get slaughtered and yesterday represents a pretty good 1 day profit. In hind sight I should have taken 40% off at a minimum. That represents a mistake in technique from me and regardless of the outcome, I will mark that down as a need to get better discipline in trading.

                                                                                            Today whatever happens I'll be out of the short position going into the close as the SPY is hovering right above my target level and I still think we have a run up in the near future from this current level. I may be out early if the jobs numbers come in and the market has a surprise upside move. Today's move can be violent and huge with the way things are lining up either way up or down. We could also see a kill them at the open and a 5 alarm rescue into the close.

                                                                                            There is no way I would hold short going into the close here unless the bottom falls out today and we see a collapse when at the SPY $420 level. If that happens and I'm not thinking it does, the SPY will make a quick run to the $400 spot.
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                                                                                              • homie1975
                                                                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                                                                • 12-24-13
                                                                                                • 15452
                                                                                                #11154
                                                                                                U.s. Interest rates futures imply more than 5 hikes in 2022 after u.s. Jobs data
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                                                                                                  • homie1975
                                                                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                                                                    • 12-24-13
                                                                                                    • 15452
                                                                                                    #11155
                                                                                                    13% probability at this time of 50bp hike in March, but if it's not done then, 90% probability at the next meeting in May.
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                                                                                                      • alling
                                                                                                        SBR MVP
                                                                                                        • 05-13-10
                                                                                                        • 1405
                                                                                                        #11156
                                                                                                        SPY etc AH gains already gone..😆 🤣 😂
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                                                                                                          • RangeFinder
                                                                                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                                                            • 10-27-16
                                                                                                            • 8041
                                                                                                            #11157
                                                                                                            Market will be down 3-4% next week IMO. I think that will be the bottom and things will slowly trend up going into March. Buying back tech at the end of next week will be the way to go looking forward. Chip makers should do well going into summer (Micron, Intel, Tawain Semi) are names I would get into. Chips will recover and demand will start to be met.
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                                                                                                              • trobin31
                                                                                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                                                                • 01-09-14
                                                                                                                • 9853
                                                                                                                #11158
                                                                                                                Originally posted by RangeFinder
                                                                                                                Market will be down 3-4% next week IMO. I think that will be the bottom and things will slowly trend up going into March. Buying back tech at the end of next week will be the way to go looking forward. Chip makers should do well going into summer (Micron, Intel, Tawain Semi) are names I would get into. Chips will recover and demand will start to be met.
                                                                                                                Yeah I would fade this rally
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                                                                                                                  • homie1975
                                                                                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                                                                                    • 12-24-13
                                                                                                                    • 15452
                                                                                                                    #11159
                                                                                                                    Oil stocks are the new FAANGs?​

                                                                                                                    One reason why stocks have stumbled out of the gate in 2022 is the underperformance of Big Tech stocks. Weak results and guidance from Facebook owner Meta Platforms tanked the FAANGs last week.
                                                                                                                    Meta's (FB) shares have plunged more than 30% this year. So are shares of Netflix (NFLX). Amazon (AMZN) is still down about 7% despite a big stock pop Friday after reporting solid results. Microsoft (MSFT) is down about 10% and Tesla (TSLA) has fallen nearly 15%. Apple (AAPL) and Google owner Alphabet (GOOGL) have fared better due to strong earnings.
                                                                                                                    But even as tech struggles, investors are flocking to energy stocks. The Energy Select Sector SPDR (XLE) ETF is up nearly 25% this year as crude oil prices skyrocket.

                                                                                                                    Chevron (CVX) is leading the Dow with a 15% gain while Exxon Mobil (XOM) is up more than 30%. Halliburton (HAL), Schlumberger (SLB), Occidental Petroleum (OXY), Hess (HES) and APA (APA) are among the top gainers in the S&P 500.
                                                                                                                    Higher oil and gas prices are not good for consumers. But investors are pleased to see rising energy costs because it means more profits for oil giants.
                                                                                                                    Along those lines, Exxon analysts have raised their earnings forecasts for 2022 by 16% over the past three months and have raised their 2023 profit targets by 20%.
                                                                                                                    "We're seeing this sector rotation into energy," said Tony Minopoli, chief Investment officer at Knights of Columbus Asset Advisors. "Stocks will follow earnings."
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                                                                                                                      • Madison
                                                                                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                                                                        • 09-16-11
                                                                                                                        • 6442
                                                                                                                        #11160
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by homie1975
                                                                                                                        13% probability at this time of 50bp hike in March, but if it's not done then, 90% probability at the next meeting in May.
                                                                                                                        Imagine the world today if interest rates were at their circa 100 year average of 4-6%. End of civilization as we know it (2000-2022).

                                                                                                                        The last 20 years have been an ENORMOUS TAX on the elderly who mostly depend on fixed income.
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                                                                                                                          • Madison
                                                                                                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                                                                            • 09-16-11
                                                                                                                            • 6442
                                                                                                                            #11161
                                                                                                                            Momentum

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                                                                                                                              • homie1975
                                                                                                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                                                                                                • 12-24-13
                                                                                                                                • 15452
                                                                                                                                #11162
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Madison
                                                                                                                                Imagine the world today if interest rates were at their circa 100 year average of 4-6%. End of civilization as we know it (2000-2022).

                                                                                                                                The last 20 years have been an ENORMOUS TAX on the elderly who mostly depend on fixed income.

                                                                                                                                Rising interest rates could certainly give way to higher volatility in 2022. But history tells us that rising interest rates do not necessarily have to mean falling stocks – in fact, the opposite has been true throughout history:


                                                                                                                                July 1954 to October 1957 2.7% +33%
                                                                                                                                May 1958 to November 1959 3.4% +32%
                                                                                                                                May 1967 to September 1969 5.2% +5%
                                                                                                                                March to September 1971 1.8% -2%
                                                                                                                                February 1972 to July 1974 9.6% -26%
                                                                                                                                January 1977 to July 1981 14.4% +28%
                                                                                                                                February 1983 to August 1984 3.0% +13%
                                                                                                                                March 1988 to March 1989 3.3% +14%
                                                                                                                                December 1993 to April 1995 2.7% +33%
                                                                                                                                January 1999 to June 2000 1.9% +14%
                                                                                                                                June 2004 to July 2006 4.2% +12%
                                                                                                                                November 2015 to January 2019 2.3% +30%
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                                                                                                                                  • Slurry Pumper
                                                                                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                                                                                    • 06-18-18
                                                                                                                                    • 2811
                                                                                                                                    #11163
                                                                                                                                    I agree with Homie over there and the stats jive with what I think happens going forward. Next week I see a rising market overall then maybe the last 10 days give or take a few days going into March is the next leg down until the Fed raises rates. Then the shocked look on peoples faces will happen as the markets move up for 4 to 5 months.
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                                                                                                                                      • Madison
                                                                                                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                                                                                        • 09-16-11
                                                                                                                                        • 6442
                                                                                                                                        #11164
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by homie1975
                                                                                                                                        Rising interest rates could certainly give way to higher volatility in 2022. But history tells us that rising interest rates do not necessarily have to mean falling stocks – in fact, the opposite has been true throughout history:

                                                                                                                                        July 1954 to October 1957 2.7% +33%
                                                                                                                                        May 1958 to November 1959 3.4% +32%
                                                                                                                                        May 1967 to September 1969 5.2% +5%
                                                                                                                                        March to September 1971 1.8% -2%
                                                                                                                                        February 1972 to July 1974 9.6% -26%
                                                                                                                                        January 1977 to July 1981 14.4% +28%
                                                                                                                                        February 1983 to August 1984 3.0% +13%
                                                                                                                                        March 1988 to March 1989 3.3% +14%
                                                                                                                                        December 1993 to April 1995 2.7% +33%
                                                                                                                                        January 1999 to June 2000 1.9% +14%
                                                                                                                                        June 2004 to July 2006 4.2% +12%
                                                                                                                                        November 2015 to January 2019 2.3% +30%
                                                                                                                                        Homie,

                                                                                                                                        Maybe you misinterpreted my comment. I didn't in any way mean to imply that higher interest rates would be a negative for equities. Moreso, my intent was to imply that until the world gets back to some equilibrium (4-6%) with regard to rates we are in an artificial mode.

                                                                                                                                        The world has become dependent on 0% interest and cheap money. Given the national debt etc we/FED, in my view, have one way out and that's inflation. That in itself will destroy a multitude of generational savers wealth.

                                                                                                                                        The last thing the government wants is deflation, in simple terms because it reduces their taxable base.

                                                                                                                                        Be well, and best!
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                                                                                                                                          • k13
                                                                                                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                                                                                                            • 07-16-10
                                                                                                                                            • 18104
                                                                                                                                            #11165
                                                                                                                                            The market is scared of 2% let alone 4-5%.
                                                                                                                                            Old examples don't mean anything.

                                                                                                                                            The whole world is in the biggest debt bubble ever.
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