[TheCentaur]

what would be the end result? In a liberal utopia describe the society and how it would function

[MoneyLineDawg]

Everyone would smoke weed and gamble all day

[samgurt]

[Sam Odom]

[SBR_John]

Nothing wrong with the concept of liberalism. It's when you mix in a heavy dose of socialism it becomes toxic.

[Sam Odom]

Nothing wrong with the concept of liberalism.

there were very honest and patriotic elected Liberals once in this country - most of the kids on SBR have no idea about them & no understanding of their beliefs

[DwightShrute]

Nothing wrong with the concept of liberalism. It's when you mix in a heavy dose of socialism it becomes toxic.

exactly.

Look up the word Liberalism...."Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally liberals support ideas such as constitutionalism, liberal democracy, free and fair elections, human rights, capitalism, and the free exercise of religion"

Completely different meaning today.

[d2bets]

exactly.

Look up the word Liberalism...."Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally liberals support ideas such as constitutionalism, liberal democracy, free and fair elections, human rights, capitalism, and the free exercise of religion"

Completely different meaning today.

Right. Now it means electing a black man from Kenya as President. Now they've gone too far. Right?

[Sam Odom]

research "Classical liberalism"

[DwightShrute]

Right. Now it means electing a black man from Kenya as President. Now they've gone too far. Right?

not sure what you are saying and if you are being sarcastic?

I don't care if he's black or any other color and I don't believe he was born outside the USA.

[TheCentaur]

Agreed, "liberalism" has a totally different meaning today than its original meaning. Actually I think the same could be said of democrat and republican. Just assume I mean today's accepted definition.

[DwightShrute]

research "Classical liberalism"

there ya go, even further apart from what a liberal is today.

[Sam Odom]

Agreed, "liberalism" has a totally different meaning today than its original meaning.

yup , happens to many definitions across the political spectrum - i get a kick how many use the word 'Fascism' today

[Easy-Rider 66]

what would be the end result? In a liberal utopia describe the society and how it would function

And if conservatives got everything they wanted and ruled the world? If the extreme far left or extreme far right got everyhting they desired it would scary indeed. It's in the extremes that things gets tricky.

[Sam Odom]

E-R 66 , when the parties began purging their DINOs & RINOs respectively was IMO the start of what we have today... It was healthy to have differing ideas & debate WITHIN each party

[TheCentaur]

And if conservatives got everything they wanted and ruled the world? If the extreme far left or extreme far right got everyhting they desired it would scary indeed. It's in the extremes that things gets tricky.

Oh I agree with you the answer is somewhere in between. I still would like to hear what a proud liberal says to this question though.

[Easy-Rider 66]

E-R 66 , when the parties began purging their DINOs & RINOs respectively was IMO the start of what we have today... It was healthy to have differing ideas & debate WITHIN each party

Good point. Now it seems if you do not adhere front and center to strict party line you are a traitor to the righteous cause.

[Emily_Haines]

What would the Republican Utopia be?

20 foot high fence around the entire country with machine gun posts every 100 yards
Mandatory requirements that you enlist in the military
Check points on the highways
More rules, harsher sentences and more prisons
No programs at all to help the poor (would have people living in mud huts)
All extra money would be put into military
Lot's more wars (Can't have Iran with nukes, Got to something about Syria)
No gambling, drinking or porn
Would need license to go on internet
Taxes would be shifted from the rich and to everyone else

[MC PICKS]

exactly.

Look up the word Liberalism...."Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally liberals support ideas such as constitutionalism, liberal democracy, free and fair elections, human rights, capitalism, and the free exercise of religion"

Completely different meaning today.

Todays version of liberal is socialist/marxist. You notice how capitalism is listed second to last in the definition. Obama is the 1st president to wage a war on capitalism and its basically his entire platform as far as running for re election is concerned. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out that he is a socialist/marxist, just look at what he does.

[TheCentaur]

What would the Republican Utopia be?

20 foot high fence around the entire country with machine gun posts every 100 yards
Mandatory requirements that you enlist in the military
Check points on the highways
More rules, harsher sentences and more prisons
No programs at all to help the poor (would have people living in mud huts)
All extra money would be put into military
Lot's more wars (Can't have Iran with nukes, Got to something about Syria)
No gambling, drinking or porn
Would need license to go on internet
Taxes would be shifted from the rich and to everyone else

I was pretty sure there wouldn't be a straight answer. Seems all they can do is say what is wrong or what they don't like instead of having any plan or vision

[TheCentaur]

@5dimes

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Liberals are pissed because I didn't deserve this and there are much more important uses/causes for this money

[DwightShrute]

Todays version of liberal is socialist/marxist. You notice how capitalism is listed second to last in the definition. Obama is the 1st president to wage a war on capitalism and its basically his entire platform as far as running for re election is concerned. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out that he is a socialist/marxist, just look at what he does.

fact

[icancount2one]

They made a show about it:

Star Trek: The next generation.

[Easy-Rider 66]

@5dimes

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Liberals are pissed because I didn't deserve this and there are much more important uses/causes for this money

Possible that the extreme far left would hold that opinion. But the extreme far right might be on their moral high horse and hold the opinion that you should be prosecuted for gambling. Knife cuts both ways.

[TheCentaur]

They made a show about it:

Star Trek: The next generation.

Now if we could just invent holodecks, warp drive, transporters, and people working simply for the betterment of themselves and society...

Plus hot ensigns would get eaten by evil black blobs and high ranking government officials would get infested by slimy parasitic alien queens, who the F**k wants that

[King Mayan]

Everybody would be happy, good looking, smart...

[Waterstpub87]

Have you ever read Brave New World?

[Turd Ferguson]

I still would like to hear what a proud liberal says to this question though.

I would settle for another 30 years of new deal policy, where the GDP grew at a greater rate than any other 3 decade period in our history, there were no financial meltdowns, and Americans made living wages from a hard day's work and bought things made proudly by other Americans.

That middle class was getting a bit cumbersome though. Not enough power at the top and not enough billionaires becoming multi-billionaires. Thank gawd for Reaganomics.

[TheCentaur]

Have you ever read Brave New World?

Yes, my absolute favorite book of all time. The predictions it makes about a future drug dependent society are stunningly accurate

[Waterstpub87]

Yes, my absolute favorite book of all time. The predictions it makes about a future drug dependent society are stunningly accurate

Welcome to your liberal utopia.

[guitarjosh]

I would settle for another 30 years of new deal policy, where the GDP grew at a greater rate than any other 3 decade period in our history, there were no financial meltdowns, and Americans made living wages from a hard day's work and bought things made proudly by other Americans.

That middle class was getting a bit cumbersome though. Not enough power at the top and not enough billionaires becoming multi-billionaires. Thank gawd for Reaganomics.

All we need is another Communist expansion, WW3 to destroy the rest of the world's manufacturing base, giving America a virtual monopoly, a return to the Gold Standard, and a tight money policy at the Fed, and you'll get your wish.

[guitarjosh]

A liberal utopia would mean that the poor 95% of the population would live in grass huts so they don't hurt the environment, they would only eat fruit and vegetables, they would have to walk everywhere. There would be an explosion of malaria due to banning of the killing of mosquitos, and the death rates would plummet since there are no hospitals for the average person, since hospitals need electricity. Basically, it would be a return to the stone age

The remaining 4% middle class would be simi skilled to serve the limousine liberals.

The 1% ruling class limousine liberals would live in mansions around the world as they dine lavishly on all kinds of steak, veal, and caviar. They would fly from palace to palace on their private jets, while buying "carbon offsets" that they had written into regulations so they don't have to follow the rules for the other 99%.

[MonkeyF0cker]

there were very honest and patriotic elected Liberals once in this country - most of the kids on SBR have no idea about them & no understanding of their beliefs

You don't know much about history if you make this statement. Politicians have been deemed corrupt for many, many years in this country and for good reason. You might want to look at the muckraking movement of the early 20th century if you'd like to educate yourself.

To this day, both sides remain corruptable and anyone with continuously contemptuous treatment of one side makes themselves look like an absolute fool.

If anything, the progressive movement (or liberalism) has largely been a grass-roots movement of the American populace throughout the years rather than the evil, socialist stigma that your favorite propaganda machine has spun you to believe. Without it, there would still be slavery, no safety rights for workers, no women's suffrage, etc., etc., etc. And to this day, it aims to gain equal rights for some of its citizens (like the GLTB community).

[SBR_John]

You don't know much about history if you make this statement. Politicians have been deemed corrupt for many, many years in this country and for good reason. You might want to look at the muckraking movement of the early 20th century if you'd like to educate yourself.

To this day, both sides remain corruptable and anyone with continuously contemptuous treatment of one side makes themselves look like an absolute fool.

If anything, the progressive movement (or liberalism) has largely been a grass-roots movement of the American populace throughout the years rather than the evil, socialist stigma that your favorite propaganda machine has spun you to believe. Without it, there would still be slavery, no safety rights for workers, no women's suffrage, etc., etc., etc. And to this day, it aims to gain equal rights for some of its citizens (like the GLTB community).

You do realize Lincoln was a Republican and the south was cough cough "progressive"?

Liberal has changed to be closer to socialism. Most democrats do not consider themselves liberal or progressive just as most republicans do not consider themselves part of the far right. Your post gives credit to liberals when in fact it was democrats and republicans that achieved all you listed. They would be insulted to be considered a liberal. The only true accomplishment of liberals is welfare and now they can add socialized medicine at least until the Supreme Court has its say.

[ChalkyDog]

When I was in college, I was always surrounded by staunch, bull-headed neo-cons, and they loved hearing my opinion, because I didn't agree with the majority of their shit. As a result, I was labeled liberal by every single one of them. Never called myself that at any moment.

One day, a very educated scholar came into a class to talk with the professor, we were stuck in some group, trying to figure out something to do with the ICC. Once again, everyone in the damn class was calling my ideas liberal.

Point being, the scholar said something to the effect of "A true liberal, never says he is liberal" - I believe that whole-heatedly.

The morons you see who vote democrat do it for 1 of 2 reasons, that is how they were raised, or because democrats are more "minority friendly."

Liberals don't necessarily vote democrat, FWIW.

Obama 30 years ago would be considered a Moderate Conservative. My Fathers Republican party no longer exists. This country made a gigantic shift to the right somewhere around the turn of the century. It will never go back.