[Tully Mars 63]

Yeah exactly that is the Romney way. Break the back of decent paying wages to get cheaper help so a select few can prosper. What a guy. I always love when they bust up the wages and then take a 20 million dollar bonus to celebrate. Disgraceful greed.

Well lets be honest. I pulled those select quotes from Mitt's op-ed without giving the full details and context of what he was trying to say and the way I present them they're out of their original context. Read the entire piece and Mitt's calling for deep executive and management cuts, no more private jets and huge benefits for dead weight management types (ie, stuff that would play well in the rust belt.) So when you say-

Break the back of decent paying wages to get cheaper help so a select few can prosper

That's really not what Mitt's piece is saying at all. He's clearly calling for those who screwed up to pay the price and for those who can or were successful to survive. His piece is calling for survival of the strong and successful, basically a free market philosophy. That's about as American as it gets isn't?

The main part he seems to be wrong on is-

"IF General Motors, Ford and Chrysler get the bailout that their chief executives asked for yesterday, you can kiss the American automotive industry goodbye. It won’t go overnight, but its demise will be virtually guaranteed."

And even that can't be proven wrong because of his qualifier "It won’t go overnight, but its demise will be virtually guaranteed." So if team Obama is smart they'll just go with the quote "IF General Motors, Ford and Chrysler get the bailout that their chief executives asked for yesterday, you can kiss the American automotive industry goodbye." With the tag line of basically "the guy claiming to know all about business, Mr. Super Smart CEO, said this and he couldn't have been more wrong."

Politics is a dirty sport and telling half the truth will often get you farther.

[Sam Odom]

"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas or go down to the Super Bowl on the taxpayers’ dime. There’s got to be some accountability and some responsibility.” - President Obama 2009



The Obama Women Are in Vegas
Mar 29, 2012

It’s spring break for the Obama daughters and mom has taken them West for the week. Now the Obamas have arrived in Las Vegas for a private family visit. The first lady’s private schedule with Sasha and Malia in Las Vegas is short.

[Tully Mars 63]

The first family travels. The POUS takes vacations... get over it. How many days did Bush spend clearing brush in Crawford? Shit the Bush twins went to South America on the tax payers dime and stayed after the Secret Service reported the situation wasn't safe, wanted to stay two more days for their big birthday bash.

[Sam Odom]

The first family travels. The POUS takes vacations... get over it.

Read the post just above mine ... Oh wait! That is your post so re-read it

[Tully Mars 63]

Read the post just above mine ... Oh wait! That is your post so re-read it

All I'm saying is this is a non-starter. It's not going to sway any votes in either direction. It plays well to the base but won't change any minds... or very few.

[Thor4140]

There are a lot of people who disapprove of Obama's handing of the bank bailouts, takeover of the auto industry, stance on abortion, homosexual marriage, and Obamacare.

Many people will vote against him because of his stances on these issues.

Romney isn't great. But Obama's record is not impressive.

But then again most voters are idiots, have no knowledge of how the government works, and just believe everything they hear on liberal programs like MSNBC. If the media wasn't so damn liberal, Obama wouldn't stand a chance. But Obama's campaign has a lot of money and the media behind him.

You saying the media (owned by corporations) is liberal just shows maybe u shouldn't be the person calling others idiots.

[thetrinity]

The first family travels. The POUS takes vacations... get over it. How many days did Bush spend clearing brush in Crawford? Shit the Bush twins went to South America on the tax payers dime and stayed after the Secret Service reported the situation wasn't safe, wanted to stay two more days for their big birthday bash.

can we get pictures of this bash, Dad?

[Darkside Magick]

Cant believe people still believe in the illusion of voting.....your vote dont count...all this shyt scripted.....obama is selected for second term.

[Big Bear]

I don't like Obama but I think that is free money.

No way Romney will win.


I would like to see Obama lose b/c i am tired of hearing people talk about him but unfortuantely it looks like we are stuck with 4 more years of him.

[Tully Mars 63]

can we get pictures of this bash, Dad?

I doubt it all could find was some old news articles. I remember at the time it being a widely reported thing. Now most things I could find were pretty blah but included a detail of the girls attending football (soccer) games where the fans had been ordered not to attend due to violence. One, I think ABC, had it detailed where the Consul issued a request they leave due to safety concerns and then at the end a press statement, after they did in fact leave, stating they never requested they leave. Talk about covering your ass.

[thetrinity]

I doubt it all could find was some old news articles. I remember at the time it being a widely reported thing. Now most things I could find were pretty blah but included a detail of the girls attending football (soccer) games where the fans had been ordered not to attend due to violence. One, I think ABC, had it detailed where the Consul issued a request they leave due to safety concerns and then at the end a press statement, after they did in fact leave, stating they never requested they leave. Talk about covering your ass.

i was more interested in seeming them be slutty TBH, thats why i called dad up. there was plenty of evidence of that in america though.

[Tully Mars 63]

i was more interested in seeming them be slutty TBH, thats why i called dad up. there was plenty of evidence of that in america though.

Sorry didn't feel well yesterday, took your request more serious. I thought you were calling me dad due to my age. I did have some pic's of them falling down in clubs years ago but I never saved them. Also felt like the the POTUS children should be hands off. I wouldn't have want pic's of my partying in my military days surfacing during job interviews when I worked law enforcement.

[Sam Odom]

I know that...

How many states would flip from Obama to Mittens even at a 2% change inside the states

For example : a few swing states Obama won in '08

Fla +2.5%
N.Car +0.4%
Ohio +2.4
Ind +0.9%

Among U.S. Jews, 64% support Obama, down from 74% in 2008 and similar to what Dukakis got in 1988.
June 10, 2012

U.S. President Barack Obama currently has the support of 64% of Jewish registered voters, according to the Gallup polling agency. This is 10% less than the percentage of Jews who voted for Obama in 2008, and is similar to the percentage of Jews who voted for Michael Dukakis when he contended for the presidency against George Bush in 1988. Republican Mitt Romney enjoys 29% support among Jews.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Ne...0#.T9Te0MXGO72

[Salmon Steak]

I would look at delegate projections. I think we all remember how the popular vote does not matter. There is also a lot of potential economic trouble on the horizon. That could be bad for Obama.

[Sam Odom]

I would look at delegate projections.

I have...

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-ta...ink-again.html

I think we all remember how the popular vote does not matter.

that is just not true... depends on in which state a minor swing in pop vote happens. Just look at NCar & Ind: a 1% pop vote swing turns the states from one party to the other

[Sam Odom]

wrongturn - if Mitt wins Virginia Obama goes down

curious why u think this? it doesnt even have many electoral votes.

It would be a predictor

Vir is 'bluer' (moving more dem) each and every year , in '08 Obama won by 6.3% popular vote. If Romney can win it in '12 it would have to take 3.25% swing in a relative Blue state. Would not bode well for Obama nationwide

ah you may be right...

Jun 26, 2012

Virginia Poll: Romney 48, Obama 43


http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...43_647862.html