Could someone kindly put up the Republicans blowing Trump about his tax scheme.

[guitarjosh]

How do you define growth?

And if you don’t mind, give me some evidence of your assertion.

GDP, GNP, GDP per cap, population growth, standard of living growth, etc. When I'm talking growth in the context of tax, spending and regulatory policy, I'm talking GDP and standard of living.

The panic of 1893 was caused specifically by the Sherman Silver Purchase Act, which caused the market to be flooded with silver, which was experiencing rapid inflation. People dumped their silver for gold, in adherence to Gresham's Law, and the US couldn't print any more gold backed currency, they had to print silver backed, which again was rapidly losing value. Grover Cleveland campaigned on repealing that act, which he did, which caused the panic to stop, with some help from a gold loan from JP Morgan.

The Panic of 1873, or Crime of 73, as the free silverites called it, caused the US to dump silver as legal tender, which led to high deflation. It was unpopular with the western miners and midwest farmers, so the Bland-Allison act caused the US to start accepting silver as legal tender again and for the treasury to buy up 2.5-4.5 million dollars of silver every month to help sustain the price and keep mines open.

How much would your iPhone have cost in 1986? How much did Gordon Gekko's cell phone in Wall Street cost then and now? What would a never driven, perfectly preserved 1986 Toyota Camery cost now compared to then?

[PAULYPOKER]

I know the whole room is like. This is some fake ass BS.

If Trump would of squeezed himself any harder, he would of busted his own ribs...........

[guitarjosh]

Let me put it to you this way. What does capitalism need? Growth. What does an open frontier allow capitalism to do? Grow. It doesn't matter were people move to.

Yeah people left a shitty life there, for a little less shitty life here. Plus a chance to be apart of the growth that was going on & a chance to become rich. Many of them died, were killed & never became rich. Very few made it to the top.



These people sure look glad about that job in the city.

No I'm saying history shows that when you cut tax's & deregulate it leads to economic crash's. How bad it will be is anyone's guess.

I explained Free Rents to you before.

No, what capitalism needs is freedom. Hong Kong and Singapore have seen much stronger increases in the standard of livings of the average people since 1960 than the US has, and they're much more economically free.

A little less? You're really saying tens of millions of people from around the world moved to the other side of the globe to a land where most couldn't even speak the language because things here were "a little less shitty"? Try a lot less. The average American worker's income was double that of the average French and German worker's, and 50% higher than that of the English.

If the people pictured had it that bad, they could have gone back to Latvia or where ever they came from, yet they stayed, and more than likely sent for their friends and family to join them.

History doesn't show that at all, it shows the opposite. Those communist countries are more regulated than we are and they have lower standard of living than we do. The places with the highest standards of living have the least regulations and taxes. The vast majority (and I say vast majority and not all because I haven't looked into the recessions of the 1810s) of crashes were caused by the central bank or government screwing around with our currency or credit. As the world has deregulated and moved to a more capitalistic economy, they've seen poverty drop precipitously.

Where? Maybe you can briefly do it again for me and others here.

[PAULYPOKER]

Crossing Arms Arms can act as the doorway to the body and the self. When they are crossed, they form a closed defensive shield, blocking out the outside world. Shields act in two ways: one is to block incoming attacks and the other is a place behind which the person can hide and perhaps not be noticed. Crossed arms may thus indicate anxiety which is either driven by a lack of trust in the other person or an internal discomfort and sense of vulnerability (that may, for example, be rooted in childhood trauma). The extent of crossing indicates how firmly closed the person is. This may range from a light cross to arms folded to arms wrapped around the person. An extreme version which may indicate additional hostility is a tight close with hands formed as fists. If legs are crossed also then this adds to the signal. Crossed arms is a very obvious signal and if you do it in front of other people they will likely feel rejected and respond accordingly (including not agreeing with you).

[grease lightnin]

GDP, GNP, GDP per cap, population growth, standard of living growth, etc. When I'm talking growth in the context of tax, spending and regulatory policy, I'm talking GDP and standard of living.

The panic of 1893 was caused specifically by the Sherman Silver Purchase Act, which caused the market to be flooded with silver, which was experiencing rapid inflation. People dumped their silver for gold, in adherence to Gresham's Law, and the US couldn't print any more gold backed currency, they had to print silver backed, which again was rapidly losing value. Grover Cleveland campaigned on repealing that act, which he did, which caused the panic to stop, with some help from a gold loan from JP Morgan.

The Panic of 1873, or Crime of 73, as the free silverites called it, caused the US to dump silver as legal tender, which led to high deflation. It was unpopular with the western miners and midwest farmers, so the Bland-Allison act caused the US to start accepting silver as legal tender again and for the treasury to buy up 2.5-4.5 million dollars of silver every month to help sustain the price and keep mines open.

How much would your iPhone have cost in 1986? How much did Gordon Gekko's cell phone in Wall Street cost then and now? What would a never driven, perfectly preserved 1986 Toyota Camery cost now compared to then?

Ok, so on GDP, you can see from the chart I ALREADY POSTED—obviously the growth was much more vertical AFTER the income tax was put into place.



What specific datapoint are you using to measure “standard of living”?

[Booya711]

Thor is a fukking bitch....dude has a pussy

[khicks26]

Brooks once told me he admired John Stuart Mills.


John Stuart Mill was a British philosopher, political economist and civil servant. One of the most influential thinkers in the history of liberalism, he contributed widely to social theory, political theory and political economy. Dubbed "the most influential English-speaking philosopher of the nineteenth century"

[brooks85]

lol look at you desperately bringing up topics you were crushed on before. You've never even read mills, you took that from wiki lol moron

also, furthering proving you don't know mills, mills was a liberal in the literal sense of the word. Not a liberal like you morons today.

[RudyRuetigger]

Thor is a fukking bitch....dude has a pussy

i would agree

if i get the clearance misogyny is ok then i will nominate

[khicks26]

No, what capitalism needs is freedom. Hong Kong and Singapore have seen much stronger increases in the standard of livings of the average people since 1960 than the US has, and they're much more economically free.

A little less? You're really saying tens of millions of people from around the world moved to the other side of the globe to a land where most couldn't even speak the language because things here were "a little less shitty"? Try a lot less. The average American worker's income was double that of the average French and German worker's, and 50% higher than that of the English.

If the people pictured had it that bad, they could have gone back to Latvia or where ever they came from, yet they stayed, and more than likely sent for their friends and family to join them.

History doesn't show that at all, it shows the opposite. Those communist countries are more regulated than we are and they have lower standard of living than we do. The places with the highest standards of living have the least regulations and taxes. The vast majority (and I say vast majority and not all because I haven't looked into the recessions of the 1810s) of crashes were caused by the central bank or government screwing around with our currency or credit. As the world has deregulated and moved to a more capitalistic economy, they've seen poverty drop precipitously.

Where? Maybe you can briefly do it again for me and others here.

We have been over this before Josh. The shit is getting so deluded, I forgot what hell we were even talking about in the first place.


You & your freedom, is freedom for those who have money.

If I had nothing to eat & someone gave me a cracker I would say I was 100% better.

Yeah some did go back home.

Yes it does Josh. 08 being the most recent.

Got shit to do. Maybe later.

[brooks85]

We have been over this before Josh. The shit is getting so deluded, I forgot what hell we were even talking about in the first place.


You & your freedom, is freedom for those who have money.

If I had nothing to eat & someone gave me a cracker I would say I was 100% better.

Yeah some did go back home.

Yes it does Josh. 08 being the most recent.

Got shit to do. Maybe later.

lol there is a reason I don't treat khicks with any respect, this is the kind of low IQ reply you'll get back. Instead of accepting he is wrong he will just do this clown act like when he said coal workers should build skyscrapers

[khicks26]

lol look at you desperately bringing up topics you were crushed on before. You've never even read mills, you took that from wiki lol moron

LOL Brooks admires the most influential thinker in the history of liberalism.

Does anyone here think Brooks read anything from John Stewart Mill?

[brooks85]

LOL Brooks admires the most influential thinker in the history of liberalism.

Does anyone here think Brooks read anything from John Stewart Mill?

lol khicks admits he gets his info from wiki. Thanks for the setup clown! No wonder you can't get shit right!


also, furthering proving you don't know mills, mills was a liberal in the literal sense of the word. Not a liberal like you morons today.

[khicks26]

lol there is a reason I don't treat khicks with any respect, this is the kind of low IQ reply you'll get back. Instead of accepting he is wrong he will just do this clown act like when he said coal workers should build skyscrapers

How am I wrong Brooks? Be back later for your BS answer. LOL

[brooks85]

LOL Brooks admires the most influential thinker in the history ofliberalism.

Does anyone here think Brooks read anything from John Stewart Mill?

lol! here we go, khicks begging for the forum to come. So far he is 0/8, lets watch !

[khicks26]

lol khicks admits he gets his info from wiki. Thanks for the setup clown! No wonder you can't get shit right!


also, furthering proving you don't know mills, mills was a liberal in the literal sense of the word. Not a liberal like you morons today.

Still don't think you read anything from him.

[brooks85]

How am I wrong Brooks? Be back later for your BS answer. LOL

because you said nothing true or logical. You even admitted you gave up and it's obvious why. You ran out of youtubeU shit to repeat.

amazing you think that post is worthy of respect, it makes you look very stupid

[brooks85]

Still don't think you read anything from him.

says the moron who thinks mills was a liberal like today's liberal. You idiot lol you have no idea what he stood for. 0


also, notice you're wrong again and it's because you said "I think." One day you'll realize the problem there and why you keep getting things wrong.

[RudyRuetigger]

khicks you lost the thread bro

come back as a republican and be a winner

THANKS

[khicks26]

WOW I really piss Brooks off. Trolling the Troll. LOL

[brooks85]

^lol there is that desperate pysche begging for something it NEEDS to be true but never is.


lets see, you were wrong on ayn rand and now stuart mils, again. Great streak! Really pissing me off!!

[chico2663]

You're completely lost in Rachel Maddow's and Anderson Vanderbilt's twisted world.

And yes I remember 08, and if you go back to the reason the banks were originally issuing loans to people that couldn't afford them you have to go back to BJ Clinton. He and the dems wanted everyone to have the American dream (house) and it wasn't fair to those who couldn't have the it. So after the democrat santa claus handed people loans they didn't deserve for over a decade, 08 happened.

History and facts are a mother fuker.

if you think that the 08 bubble was caused by poor people buying house......you might be an idiot.

[brooks85]

"if you think that the 08 bubble was caused by poor people buying house......you might be an idiot."

- an idiot liar who hates America; a liberal

[khicks26]

khicks you lost the thread bro

come back as a republican and be a winner

THANKS

Sounds like you had your mind made up before the fight began.

Be back later.

[chico2663]

Hicks, we had 2 major tax cuts prior to this one, Kennedys and Reagans. Both led to historic growth and prosperity. Not good growth, historic growth.

Both were passed bipartisan and if you add up the votes it was more liberals than conservatives who supported them.

I'll give you and kelly the benefit of maybe just not knowing. It's not partisan like your leaders are stoking you to believe.

once again proving your very daft; did you forget about w's tax cuts?

[brooks85]

Sounds like you had your mind made up before the fight began.

Be back later.

lol 0-9


khicks calls for the forum and the forum delivers another blow to khicks ego. Khicks runs away and will return to embarrass himself again later.

[khicks26]

khicks you lost the thread bro

come back as a republican and be a winner

THANKS

^lol there is that desperate pysche begging for something it NEEDS to be true but never is.


lets see, you were wrong on ayn rand and now stuart mils, again. Great streak! Really pissing me off!!

Rudy, is this what you call winning?

[chico2663]

I dislike Maddow & I don't know who the other guy is.

In a post on the other page I called Bill Clinton the worse president in US history. But he did have a little help from Reagan & Bush 2 on the 08 crash. Giving people loans who can't pay them back is not a Dem or Rep thing. Its about profit.

Yes, History & facts can be a SOB. You should take the time to learn some.

what is funny is that trump's cabinet is made up from the people who profited from the collapse.

[brooks85]

Rudy, is this what you call winning?

lol khicks proving he lied again, he doesn't leave. He just lingers.

[RudyRuetigger]

Rudy, is this what you call winning?

no bro

i win political threads because i throw shit at the window and see what sticks

meanwhile everyone else is trying to argue what kind of cleaner to use

[brooks85]

what is funny is that trump's cabinet is made up from the people who profited from the collapse.

you don't know comedy. What's funny is an idiot just said the GFC wasn't caused by people getting loans they couldn't afford.


You are truly a moron.

[grease lightnin]

They have descended on the thread ^^^^





Josh you quit on me???

If so, let the record show I am the winner.

Thank you.

[RudyRuetigger]

They have descended on the thread

Josh you quit on me???

relax bro

i have a rebuttal coming soon

when bored enough

[brooks85]

They have descended on the thread

Josh you quit on me???



If so, let the record show I am the winner.





Thank you.

I don't blame him, the fact you don't already know what he is telling you is pathetic on your part. Of course, not surprising tho.

and for the record you destroyed, you didn't even know about standard of living... you thought it was calculated in lol

[grease lightnin]

relax bro

i have a rebuttal coming soon

when bored enough

All my golf pals are Trumptards