1. 05-21-12 09:41 AM #1
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    I'll Have Another Won't Win The Triple Crown

    so says history.

    The Belmont has destroyed many a would-be triple crown winner's dream.
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  2. 05-21-12 11:27 AM #2
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    I will play against IHA in the Belmont for that reason. In addition, he will be low odds(IHA is +170 to win belmont at 5 dimes). But one of these days, some horse is due to break the ice, and IHA just might be the one.
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  3. 05-21-12 11:45 AM #3
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    yes he will. just like he wouldnt win the derby or preakness too right? this horse has won 3 grade 1 stakes in a row. much respect is due. get off the bodemiester train iha is a way better horse
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  4. 05-21-12 11:48 AM #4
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    probably sitting out of this one, i dont think hell do it either, this is something i want to see in my lifetime though.
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  5. 05-21-12 11:49 AM #5
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    everyone thought big brown was going to win it, and he came in 2nd to last i think....just saying.
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  6. 05-21-12 12:33 PM #6
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    I doubt IHA wins this race although he has already proven he is better then Bodemeister IMO. I think it will be either Union Rags or some newbie Belmont specialist, let's wait until the field is drawn.
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  7. 05-22-12 03:46 AM #7
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    watch union rags go off the favorite, don't think it would be that crazy if that happened
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  8. 05-22-12 03:51 AM #8
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    Quote Originally Posted by CWD View Post
    watch union rags go off the favorite, don't think it would be that crazy if that happened
    Can't see that happening. I know UR has a following, but after 2 sub-par races the general public won't buy in. But I can see him being second choice with Dullahan.
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  9. 05-22-12 03:54 AM #9
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    Way to go out on a limb by saying he wont win it lol
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  10. 05-22-12 05:03 AM #10
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  11. 05-22-12 05:06 AM #11
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    If he wins NOBODY can say he didnt earn it. Three wins at 3 different tracks in that short amount of time, vs good horses, is the reason why its been 30 years without a triple crown winner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Easy-Rider 66 View Post
    Can't see that happening. I know UR has a following, but after 2 sub-par races the general public won't buy in. But I can see him being second choice with Dullahan.
    You can basically toss the Derby, idiot jockey had him trapped on the rail at top of stretch with nowhere to go at crunch time. He should be right there with a clear trip and he is bred to run all day so the 1 1/2 mile suits.
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  13. 05-22-12 06:40 AM #13
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    Union Rags peaked early as a two year old. Has run basically the same number ever since. No idea why people still expect this horse to show dramatic improvement, which he would need here. In my opinion the horse to keep an eye on is Alpha.
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  14. 05-22-12 06:44 AM #14
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    This horse is winning this

    Dullahan would seem to be the only competition

    This horse is a beast. Bodemeister is about as strong as it gets and he ran that horse down twice.
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  15. 05-22-12 08:39 AM #15
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    The question is going to be about pace. Without Bodemeister the pace will slow down, a slower pace is going to hurt IHA. The field is really going to make a difference in this one.
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  16. 05-22-12 09:08 AM #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by BGboothA View Post
    The question is going to be about pace. Without Bodemeister the pace will slow down, a slower pace is going to hurt IHA. The field is really going to make a difference in this one.
    correct comment.

    At least 2 horses have a strong chance to beat him, they are also the most obvious ones...Union Rags and Dullahan.

    But since it is a mile and a half no horse he has raced and beaten can really be discounted.

    These are living creatures not machines, thats why I always laugh when people eliminate head to head losses and move on.

    Big difference this year than in ones past are that there arent 'random' horses dropping in out of the clouds to try it. Only newcomer is Guyana Star Dweej. Some say has potential but had a rumor of an injury before the preakness, so total unknown.

    I know this horse (IHA) watched it as a 2 year old, nice horse but just doesnt look 'special' enough to win. I made alist of failed attempts in the past dozen eyars and the list has some impressive names on it, and that list didnt include Sunday Silence, Alydar or Spectacular Bid.
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  17. 05-22-12 09:33 AM #17
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    I was watching something yesterday saying I'll have another might not be allowed to race because of doping.

    I really doubt that will happen I honestly can't see horseracing not allowing what could be the best thing to happen to horseracing in years.
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  18. 05-22-12 12:56 PM #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Horse View Post
    Union Rags peaked early as a two year old. Has run basically the same number ever since. No idea why people still expect this horse to show dramatic improvement, which he would need here. In my opinion the horse to keep an eye on is Alpha.
    The fact that Union Rags has run the same number despite not running his best race IMO says he has improved and if you look at his pace figures combined with his speed figures its pretty clear he is capable of much better.I agree Alpha is interesting too.


    Quote Originally Posted by BGboothA View Post
    The question is going to be about pace. Without Bodemeister the pace will slow down, a slower pace is going to hurt IHA. The field is really going to make a difference in this one.
    Early probables say Baffert will have a speedball in there with Paynter.
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  19. 05-22-12 01:04 PM #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by wantitall4moi View Post
    Only newcomer is Guyana Star Dweej. Some say has potential but had a rumor of an injury before the preakness, so total unknown.
    It took GSD like 10 times to break his maiden.The only reason he is in there is because his trainer Doodnauth Shivangal(sp?) is a NY guy and wants a horse in the race.Just like last year when he had Isn't He Perfect who finished dead last.
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  20. 05-22-12 01:11 PM #20
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    I don't think he'll even place
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  21. 05-22-12 02:03 PM #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikemca View Post
    The fact that Union Rags has run the same number despite not running his best race IMO says he has improved and if you look at his pace figures combined with his speed figures its pretty clear he is capable of much better.I agree Alpha is interesting too.




    Early probables say Baffert will have a speedball in there with Paynter.


    Also a plus for Union Rags is Leparoux just got axed.Johnny V. picks up the mount for the Belmont.
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  22. 05-22-12 05:18 PM #22
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    That's a plus, but wouldn't surprise me if Union Rags still runs the same number. Just what he does.

    A slow pace isn't that bad for I'll Have Another. He showed that in the Preakness against the best speed horse of this crop. But it would hurt Dullahan's changes. As to the distance, IHA looked like he wanted to keep racing when he crossed the wire in the Preakness, as str pointed out in his thread. I think this horse is just having a great time. He enjoys it.

    In another year Bodemeister may have gone wire to wire in both the Derby and the Preakness. Easy to imagine the public response to that... IHA has already beaten his strongest competition. This last race of the three is just to see if he has enough stamina. Nobody can match his burst of speed. Unless he tires in the stretch, everybody else races for second.
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  23. 05-22-12 05:26 PM #23
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    I wonder if Sportsbook will have a Win or loose just for "I'll have another"
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  24. 05-23-12 04:16 AM #24
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    5 dimes has it at +170 I'll Have Another/Field- 230.
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  25. 05-23-12 07:51 AM #25
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    I have Another its in top condition, best moment in his carrer, NO DOUBT!, we have a Champ this year, We have a Triple Crown Winner... +170 its a high odds, TAKE IT!, expect to see this horse at 4-5 (-120) to 6-5 (+120) the day of the race.
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  26. 05-23-12 08:24 AM #26
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    wentthedaywell is the only horse that can beat him
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  27. 05-23-12 08:56 AM #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by no1here View Post
    wentthedaywell is the only horse that can beat him
    I don't know about that.I think the Preakness made it clear that WTDW was simply the beneficiary of a really hot pace in the Derby and Motion gets horses to run lifetime bests first time blinkers.I don't know if there is a horse that can beat him provided he doesn't have a problem with the distance.I only see a couple that have the possibility to be competitive in the Belmont but it will also take I'll Have Another to not progress at 1 1/2 mile.If he improves again or even pairs up they're probably running for second.
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  28. 05-23-12 08:59 AM #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by no1here View Post
    wentthedaywell is the only horse that can beat him
    I am going to counter my 'bad logic' with this and say he has the worst chance to do it. beaten twice with the same gruelly schedule, so to think he can come back and do it here is a hard road. If IHA completely fallas apart hen sure the horse can 'beat' him but I dont see him winning the race. Had he not ru nthe preakness he would have a much better shot, he took it there in the shorter race so that is a tell tale sign also.
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  29. 05-23-12 10:02 AM #29
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    WTDW is not running in the Belmont.
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    UR =Dixie Union= can not go past 9, Alpha is not fast enough, Paynter and Rousing Sermon are interesting to me, Do you know how many #12's are associated with this years Belmont.
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    WTDW =Ice Box
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  32. 05-23-12 06:03 PM #32
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    Quote Originally Posted by Easy-Rider 66 View Post
    5 dimes has it at +170 I'll Have Another/Field- 230.
    Cool, thanks
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  33. 05-23-12 06:50 PM #33
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    It really makes you appreciate the '70's, when there were 3 Triple crown winners that decade.
    I'll Have Another has a great shot at it, extremely tough to do, but think this horse is capable.
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  34. 05-24-12 04:14 AM #34
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    Quote Originally Posted by Easy-Rider 66 View Post
    5 dimes has it at +170 I'll Have Another/Field- 230.
    IHA now down to +110/Field -150.
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  35. 05-24-12 09:42 AM #35
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    blg article on doug o neals drug accusations in the daily racing form,wed,05/23/2112.california racing board will come to a decision very soon,
    before the belmont race.if board finds him guilty.he will be banned from racing for quite awhile.appeal may not work this time.(my opinion on
    the appeal). this article may be on drf website,not sure.
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