[cincy]

I was referred to a local bookie by someone I did not knowwell. This person setup a meeting whereI met with him and the local bookie at a sports restaurant. He told me that he had known the local bookiefor years and that he had an account with the local bookie and that the localbookie was a stand up guy and that I would not have a problem gettingpaid. However, five months after this introductionthe local bookie is stiffing me for $5000. The local bookie has owed me this money for over a month and he won'treturn any of my calls and I do not know his real name or how to find the localbookie. The pay per head sports bettingwebsite has confirmed the local bookie is in town and is paying on his otheraccounts so it seems I am the only guy he is stiffing. I have always paid this local bookieimmediately whenever I was down although I have won some money overall withhim.

My question is what is a person's responsibility whenreferring someone to a local bookie if the local bookie then refuses to pay theplayer that you referred. Assume theplayer that is being stiffed for $5000 contacts the person that referred him tothe local bookie and asks for his help. Hereare some options and please reply back with which option you think is mostappropriate:

A=No Responsibility. Theperson that setup the meeting and referred the player to the local should takeno responsibility for the problem and should refuse to provide any helpwhatsoever. He should ignore allcommunications from the person that is being stiffed and do absolutely nothing tohelp resolve the matter. He should noteven bother to make a simple phone call to the local bookie to request that theplayer he referred be paid.

B=No Real Responsibility. The person that setup the meetingand referred the player to the local should take no real responsibility for theproblem but should contact the local bookie and ask that the player he referredbe paid.

C=Limited Responsibility. The person that setup the meeting and referred the player to the localshould take limited responsibility for the problem and should make a reasonableeffort to help the player being stiffed.

D=Shared Responsibility. The person that setup the meeting and referred the player to the localshould take a shared responsibility from the problem and make a strong effortto help the player that he referred get paid. He should tell the local that he will not refer anyone else and that hewill inform all the other players that he has referred to the local that he maystiff them since he is stiffing another player. He should not pay on his balance if it gets negative until the localcontacts the player and at least pays a portion of the $5000 balance to theplayer. He should tell the local bookiethat he is the one that referred the player so he will be on the hook to paythe player half the amount that the player was stiffed if the bookie does notpay. He should tell the local bookiethat he will close his account and will suggest that all the people he referredalso close their accounts unless the bookie contacts the player.

E=Full responsibility. The person that setup the meeting and referred the player to the localshould take full responsibility for the problem and should do whatever he canto help the player that he referred get paid. He should tell the local that he will not refer anyone else. He should tell the local bookie that he willclose his account immediately and will contact all the people he referred andask that they also close their accounts unless the bookie pays the player. He should refuse to pay on his balance if it isnegative until the local pays the player. He should tell the local bookie that he is the one that referred theplayer so he is on the hook to pay the player the full amount that the playerwas stiffed if the bookie does not pay.

[minet123]

none
"you spends your money you take your chances"
remember if you deserve it
good credit finds you

[InTheDrink]

A

GTFOOH with your option E

if you knew the other guy a long time then C at best

[jjgold]

None

Your own fault

[Devin22]

Cincy, the answer is in your first sentence. No need to write a novel.

[birdmanweezy]

break all their legs

[Mr KLC]

I referred a friend to this website. Can he sue me for making him a degenerate?

[smoke a bowl]

E. Whip his ass.

[cincy]

I think a welcher that refuses to pay on his lost bets is absolute scum regardless of whether it is the bookie or the player. If I referred a guy to a local bookie and the bookie tried to stiff him then I would do everything I could to help him get paid. If players don't take action when bookies try to cheat other players then the bookies will just screw more players.

[rm18]

**** you minet i dont have a pinnacle account

[HoulihansTX]

His responsibility is to say that you are Shit Outta Luck.

[flyingillini]

Nice cut and paste job... This is an insult of a thread.

[antifoil]

plant a large amount of illegal drugs at your 'friends' house, then call the cops with a tip. that will teach him because him and the bookie are running a scheme on you.

[DeFactoCrippler]

Your friend has to kill the bookie. Otherwise you have to kill your friend.

[thetrinity]

I was referred to a bookie by someone i didnt know well. End of story.

[raydog]

"The pay per head sports bettingwebsite has confirmed the local bookie is in town and is paying on his otheraccounts so it seems I am the only guy he is stiffing." ... uhh, wat? seriously, do you think people here are just stupid? ... not a fukking chance any legit pph is going to give anyone any info on anything...its called "protecting a client"

[Br0nxer]

Cincy found his bookie through a friend of a friend. It was October 2011, four weeks into football season. He’d spent all of last season testing a new betting system he’d created, and it had proven sound. Now he was ready to put money on it. He’d never had a bookie before, never spoken to one on the phone. He figured there would be rules, but he didn’t know what they were. Before he made the call, he wrote out all the bets he wanted for the week, four in total, and gave himself a pep talk. People do this all the time, he thought.
It didn’t help his nerves.
“It was crossing a line,” he tells me.
It’s a Sunday afternoon at the Cincy family home, where the living room is cluttered with Legos, coloring books, and other kiddie toys. Tony’s wife Jen and their two-year-old son are doing a puzzle on the floor. Tony and I sit at a round oak table a few feet away. While he talks to me, his gaze remains mostly on the 49ers/Giants game playing on a wall-mounted flat screen. Cincy has money on San Francisco.
During a commercial for Allstate Insurance, he looks in my direction. “Technically,” he says, “it’s all illegal. Playing poker online, betting your friend 20 bucks at work — it’s all illegal. Betting with a bookie, though, was a line I didn’t want to cross. But I just finally said, ‘Aw, screw it.’ And I called him.”
Cincy locked himself in the upstairs bathroom to make the call. He turned on the bathroom fan to drown out his son’s playful shrieks and the sound of his wife reprimanding the boy for jumping off the couch.
“The guy answers the phone right away,” Cincy says. “He sounds exactly like you would expect a bookie to sound, like a cranky old Italian guy with one of those newsboy caps.”
The conversation went as follows:
Cincy: “A friend of mine said I should call you.”
Bookie: “All right.”
Cincy: “Yeah, my friend Steve.”
Bookie: “Who’s that?”
Cincy: “Steve. He said he knows you pretty good.”
Bookie: “What’s his last name?”
Cincy: “Brown. Steve Brown.”
Bookie: “White guy? Kinda tall?”
Cincy: “Right, right. That’s him.”
Bookie: “All right, I know him. But who are you?”
Cincy: “I’m a friend of his.”
Bookie: “What kind of friend?”
Cincy: “Uh, pretty good friends, I guess.”
Bookie: “Have you met him?”
Cincy: “Who? Steve? Well, yeah, I’ve met him.”
Bookie: “You play poker with him?”
Cincy: “No, I never played poker with him, but I know he plays.”
Bookie: “All right, well, what do you want?”
Cincy: “Um, Steve tells me you might be able to help me out for this Sunday.”
Bookie: “What about Sunday?”
Cincy: “Well, I’m looking to, uh, bet on a game on Sunday.”
[Long pause.]
Bookie: “And you’re Steve’s friend, huh?”
Cincy: “Yeah.”
Bookie: “You been knowing him a long time?”
Cincy: “Yeah, I guess so.”
Bookie: “Well, he’s okay, so I guess you’re all right. Tell him what you want, then give him the money, and he’ll call me.”
Cincy did as the bookie instructed, driving to Steve’s house in North Park to drop off the envelope with $220 cash (including $20 in “juice” — a commission paid to bookies for losing bets). His picks were written on the outside.
“I had $50 each on Washington plus-one over St. Louis, Kansas City plus-three over Minnesota, and Tennessee plus-one over Cleveland. Plus a $50 parlay on all three games. The parlay pays six to one, but you have to win all three games to win the bet. All together, I had $200 on the line. Get this — Steve actually laughed at my picks. I can’t say I blamed him, because, honestly, I didn’t like the picks all that much myself. The system liked them, though, and that’s what counts. Steve doesn’t pick games any better than I do.”
Sunday came. Cincy won all three games.
“Steve doesn’t laugh at me anymore,” he says.
The bookie settles up with clients on Tuesdays. So on Tuesday, October 4, Cincy followed the bookie’s directions to an Arby’s parking lot in Oceanside. He figured the guy wouldn’t be too happy about having to hand over so much cash at their first meeting. Jen, on the other hand, was more worried about the sketchy nature of the meet-up.
“An Arby’s parking lot?” she says, looking up at us from her spot on the floor. “I was afraid he’d get jumped or something. I don’t know.”
Cincy laughs. “It wasn’t anything like that.”
The bookie turned out to be a shabby, pale man sporting a comb-over and a pair of ill-fitting slacks. The two shook hands. The bookie pulled a roll of bills from his pocket, peeling off four one-hundred dollar bills, two twenties, and a ten. If the bookie was bothered by having to pay out that amount, it didn’t show. Cincy wondered if the bookie was a middleman, if maybe someone scarier would come along in the event you didn’t pay up. This guy didn’t appear to be the kind who would, or could, break your legs.
“Not that I’ll ever know,” Cincy says. “I never bet what I don’t have.”
Over the next six weeks, Tony won $90, won $150, lost $30, won $90, won $25, and lost $15. At the start of this week’s games, he’s up $690, not including the $220 he started with. So, the money he has on the line this weekend is all profit.
Even so, he says, “Every time I win, I’m surprised. But I really do think it’s a good system.”
∗ ∗ ∗
The whole thing started with the promise of a trip to Italy for Cincy's tenth anniversary. Something they’ve been dreaming about since they were first married. Seven years later, they found themselves with only three years to save for a $10,000 trip.
“Personally, I like to gamble,” Cincy says. “It’s fun. But it also helps to have a goal. When I was playing online poker a few years ago, I told my wife that anything I win, we’re going to Italy with it.”
It didn’t work out that way. But not because he didn’t win any money.
“That year, I won $2600 playing poker online. But when I took the money out, we made the mistake of putting it in the checking account,” he says. “Slowly, but surely, we used it on bills and going out to dinner and stuff. It’s long gone.”
Now he’s trying again, this time gambling on football. He keeps his winnings in a baggie at the back of the freezer.
This week, he has 13 bets going, five with the bookie at $50 each (including a teaser that pays 2.8:1), five with friends and work buddies (for a total of $120), and four small bets online (where he’s trying out a second system for college football), totaling $30.
“It’s good to have your bets spread out. You don’t want all your money on one or two games,” he says.
All told, if he wins everything, he’ll be up $490 for the week. Losing it all will mean $425 gone.
If Jen weren’t here now, listening and occasionally piping in with words of praise for her husband’s methodology and precision, I wouldn’t believe it when Cincy tells me she supports the $400 gambling risks he takes each week. Their 120-square-foot den certainly doesn’t read “we’ve got lots of money to blow.” But do they?
When I ask, Cincy's laugh.
“I’m a regular working guy with bills and a mortgage,” Cincy says. “We’re not quite paycheck-to-paycheck, but not a whole lot better than that, either. I certainly can’t afford to be betting the grocery money or anything like that. And I don’t. Ever.”
“He wouldn’t,” Jen pipes in. “He’s not that guy.”
She goes on to explain that last year, when he agreed to take her to the horse races at Del Mar, he wouldn’t let her bet more than a dollar or two on each race. And on a recent trip to Vegas (their first), he preferred sightseeing to casinos; she had to talk him into putting $10 into the slot machines.
I tell them I’m confused. Here’s a guy who has $400 riding on the outcome of 13 football games today. And yet he’s not a gambler?
Cincy says he differentiates between betting on things like poker and sports, where a person can manipulate the odds to be in their favor, and games of chance like roulette, craps, and slot machines, where whether you win or lose is “one hundred percent luck.” Winning and losing in sports, he estimates, is 40 percent luck on any given day. The rest of it is that “the system works.” But even a winning system is not enough. It’s also important to “remain unemotional” when making picks, “never bet more than you can afford,” keep an accurate track of wins and losses, and “never, ever ‘chase.’”

[Fred Flintstone]

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If you are telling the full truth- The only way you can get paid if the PPH shop has any integrity- They can see your account- But it will be your word against the guy who is paying them money- So have your story straight and get a higher up on the phone-


What shop or site were you going through?



I had this happen to me and the PPH shop closed down the bad agent- but this only happens when your not dealing with a crook PPH-




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[DOMINATER]

When you use a street bookie the first thing you ask if he is with organized crime. If the guy who is the Marfia Don is named joe izzi you ask if he is working for joe izzi if he says yes and he is not when he sticks you .See a member with joe izzi explain what happened ,and first you will get your money ,and if he was not with joe izzi he will have a broken knee and arm and be out whatever amount you had coming,if he was connected you will get your money and he may die. unless hes a good earner then he will get a broken jaw. Thats what dealing with made guys do for you.

[King Mayan]

None..

But if i was you, i would break his nose.

[offshoreguy]

B) unless of course the guy is a complete prick or in on the scam

[romecloneout]

the space bar is your friend...learn to use it

[big joe 1212]

your friend should be asking the bookie what the fukk is going on at least