[thechaoz]

In this economy with the Republican message... 0% chance Obama loses... Completely out of touch... Bush tanked this economy...

[King Mayan]

Yes, because the policies of Washington, Adams , lincoln, FDR, Johnson, Reagan, W,etc have no effect on me... All W did was give us a depression but don't worry Obama has to fix it overnight or he's a failure..

Stick to Canadian politics dummy, or at least stop posting your kindergarten photoshops..

[frostno98]

Republican candidate are too out of touch with majority America, that includes minorities and the poor white people. You can't expect to win an election if you expecting to pull it out while just riling up to one base, the angry rich white people. Obama will win in a slam dunk.

[neverstoppers23]

obama is going to win, rommney is not a strong candidate at all, and santorum is so far out there obama will kick his ass in debates.
it will be an ass kicking i think if santorum is the guy. 40-10 type kick ass.

i am voting for obama right now either way. i might switch my mind on rommney depending on how much he comes back to the middle during the general, but never santorum.

its coming to the point in my mind where, i would rather stand with the people i disagree with then the people that disgust me.

[andywend]

So when gas went up under Bush it was someone else's fault, but when it happens with Obama it can only be Obama's fault?

When gas went up under Bush, the democrats immediately placed the blame on Bush even though he had nothing to do with it. If gas goes up to $4.50 or $5/gallon, the voters will blame it on Obama even though he doesn't have anything to do with it.Taking all of the blame (or credit) for things you have little control over goes with the job of commander in chief.

Andy117, I think its time for you to finally admit that you favor Obama and the democrats. Its completely obvious when reading your postings but you continue to insist you're an independent. Many liberal democrats are ashamed to admit it and I can understand why.

Sooner or later, the republicans are going to settle in on their nominee (probably Mitt Romney) and the focus will no longer be on the republicans making fools of themselves but on the sub-par performance of Barack Obama as our country's president.

If the election was held a few months ago, Obama would have lost handily. IF the election was held today, I believe Obama would win comfortably. 80%-90% of voters are totally locked in concerning which party they are going to support so their thoughts and opinions really don't matter much.

Its the 10-20% of voters who aren't locked in to one political party that decide all elections.

With all that being said, bookmaker is offering betting on the presidental election with $5,000 max limits and has the democrats priced at -260 with the republicans at +210 so they certainly seem to believe the republicans have a huge hill to climb and they might be right.

Now is most certainly the time to have your money invested in the financial markets as Obama is going to do everything he possibly can to keep the stock market going higher. A stock market plunge would severely hurt Obama's re-election chances so you might as well build that bankroll as much as you can before Obama tries to step in and transfer your wealth to those he feels are most deserving.

[neverstoppers23]

there is almost nothing a president can do short-term to control gas prices. its just a thing the other side likes to bitch about to make him look bad,.
like when the president goes on vacation never fails. if its a democrat republicans act like its the worst thing ever, if its a republican the democrats at like the repulbican is a lazy sob.

[Andy117]

When gas went up under Bush, the democrats immediately placed the blame on Bush even though he had nothing to do with it. If gas goes up to $4.50 or $5/gallon, the voters will blame it on Obama even though he doesn't have anything to do with it.Taking all of the blame (or credit) for things you have little control over goes with the job of commander in chief.

Andy117, I think its time for you to finally admit that you favor Obama and the democrats. Its completely obvious when reading your postings but you continue to insist you're an independent. Many liberal democrats are ashamed to admit it and I can understand why.

Ok andy, I'll give you some of my overall opinions on some issues. This might be somewhat rambling as I've had a few. Ask me any question on any issue and I'll be happy to give you an answer.

When Dems placed blame on Bush for gas prices they were wrong to do it. Gas prices will go up as more people demand it, think China, India etc. I believe in exploration and development of all forms of energy and think it's a damn shame that we have become so afraid of nuclear power. The idea though that their is such a thing as cheap domestic oil is not quite true though. When oil prices fall our oil from North Dakota isn't worth getting as it becomes to expensive to extract.

As far me favoring Obama, that's also wrong. I favor him over jokers like Santorum, Gingrich, Bachman, Palin, etc. If Romney is the nominee I could definitely see my vote going there. I am socially more liberal, fiscally more conservative. They are both important to me and I'll vote for the guy who matches up best for me. I can't stand the social right, but also have no patience for the occupy left. I don't really believe in Social Security as anything other than a true safety net and I have never counted on it for myself (regardless of whether it'll be around anyway.) One thing that Santorum said that I actually liked was his point on taxation of manufacturers. Our economy will thrive when we bring manufacturing back and we should do what we can to make that happen, that includes telling most unions to take a hike.

I don't believe in preemptive war like Iraq but had no problem with our attack on Afghanistan. We should hold the moral highground and when we act like our savage enemies we become savages ourselves, so I don't believe we should torture.

I believe that anyone who claims to be a CONSERVATIVE should be mindful of what we do to the environment. I don't understand how people could root against things like the Chevy Volt, which may not be perfect but is the kind of vehicle that will be necessary in coming years. I understand that Solindra was a disaster but if the government is going to subsidize oil they should also subsidize other possible forms of energy. If you are against all subsidies than I understand opposition to solar.

[wtf]

love guys like this andy11x

calling all the other candidates JOKERS

why?

but you are so willing to vote in a junior senator from a corrupt state, and now ride him for another four years eventhough he is starting more wars

but everyone else is a joker

[PickWinnerAllDay]

Obama for the next 4 years, Republican for the next 16, that is how it is going to go down.

[muldoon]

Amazing how you can literally sense people hoping/praying for higher gas prices or poor economic numbers, merely to get a guy out of office (rather than work with him to move the country forward)

[Shaudius]

Keystone was going thru the midwest from canada to the gulf of mexico, are you that clueless or are you just a typical liberal?

Here's some knowledge for you. Oil is an international commodity. The price of oil is decided by a commodity market. The oil from the Keystone pipeline was not going to stay in the US, it was going to go to refineries on the Gulf of Mexico and then going to be sold on the open market.

The US is currently a net exporter of fuel. http://www.usatoday.com/money/indust...ort/52298812/1

As stated in the article, "There's at least one domestic downside to America's growing role as a fuel exporter. Experts say the trend helps explain why U.S. motorists are paying more for gasoline. The more fuel that's sent overseas, the less of a supply cushion there is at home." The reason for this is what I stated above, oil is a global commodity.

You know why Keystone wanted to build a pipeline to the Gulf of Mexico to refine their oil? Because they wanted to make it easily accessible to the rest of the world, it would have increased the supply of oil, overseas, but there's no other reason it had to go to the Gulf of Mexico.

Guess what else. There's evidence that the Keystone XL pipeline would actually INCREASE the cost of gas in the midwestern United States. Why is that you ask? Why because Transcanada will not deal with the refineries that exist in the midwestern United States because they can get more for their crude oil in the Gulf region, so until the price the midwestern refineries are willing to pay increases to the level acceptable to Transcanada that crude that came from Canada is going to have to go down to the Gulf and then come back up to the midwestern United States. This would actually offset any gains in gas prices in the midwestern United States seen by a limited increase in production that the Keystone pipeline would provide. http://www.startribune.com/opinion/c...l?source=error

So in all respects. Keystone wasn't going to decrease the cost of gas at the pump, nor was it going to decrease the US' reliance on foreign oil(we're a net exporter now). If you want to talk about jobs, the estimates, even from TransCanada seem to indicate that the jobs would number in the thousands for temporary workers and in the tens for permanent workers. But I'm sure that most people's feeble little minds can't grasp any of that, and they just think Obama Bad, Oil Good.

As for the rest of this thread, Obama's chance at re-election is now at ~60% on the Intrade prediction market, so -150, and if you can get those odds and Rick Santorum is the Republican nominee its money in the bank.

[Hotdiggity11]

Amazing how you can literally sense people hoping/praying for higher gas prices or poor economic numbers, merely to get a guy out of office (rather than work with him to move the country forward)

The GOP has become more of a cult than a political party.

[icancount2one]

George W. had passed the patriot act, started the Iraq war, and already run gas sky high in '04. He won (possible shadiness in Ohio, swift boats, and strategic Kerry errors aside) because the democrats had NO candidate.

Obama will win in November, like it or not, because Mitt is the Republican John Kerry and any other choice will be laughed out of a general election. Evangelicals will not get behind a Mormon, and at this point he has flip flopped one too many times to get the dumb moderate voters who vote based on who they like.

[PickWinnerAllDay]

Amazing how you can literally sense people hoping/praying for higher gas prices or poor economic numbers, merely to get a guy out of office (rather than work with him to move the country forward)

I find that funny since tons of liberals seemed to delight in horrible tragedies like 9/11, Katrina, etc. because they thought it reflected upon Bush. By the way, the economy is bad... just because the numbers were skewed in the last release doesn't mean anything improved... why skew the numbers so things appear to be getting better? False hope is a good thing? Or just to bump approval rating?

[Thunder Gulch]

High unemployment is working for Obama because he's supporting his base with limitless entitlements, and since we never had any recovery, he can still say this started with Bush 5 years ago.

[Azzurri]

Obama can cook the books anyway he wants to to make his socialism look good but the gas price has him in a total submission hold he can't get out of and the dumbed down sheeple that voted for Obama won't vote for him when gas goes well beyond $4 a gallon.I can just picture the establishment media on the 4th of July cheerleading for Obama when gas is $4.50 a gallon and rising.What kind of spin will they try on the idiot voters to have them still worship Obama?That there were the fewest 4th of July holiday accidents ever and it was because Obama wished that to be?It's going to be that Obama will stand before the pulpit-podium-telleprompter wishing things to happen because nothing else will work for him.

Obama is all but a sure win as the Republicans just cant come up with a Candidate that can beat him.. Romney wont get it done..i thought the only chance they had was if McCain ran again he did come pretty close last time and with LOTS of unrest for the President McCain might just have had enough to get over the top this time around..maybe he felt that at his age it just wasn't a good idea this time around? To bad i liked him and would have loved his chances for a win this time around.

[Azzurri]

nice read on the Prez election as far as gambling on it goes..


http://www.politicalbettingodds.com/...tion-odds.html

[Boscoe]

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[brooks85]

George W. had passed the patriot act, started the Iraq war, and already run gas sky high in '04. He won (possible shadiness in Ohio, swift boats, and strategic Kerry errors aside) because the democrats had NO candidate.

Obama will win in November, like it or not, because Mitt is the Republican John Kerry and any other choice will be laughed out of a general election. Evangelicals will not get behind a Mormon, and at this point he has flip flopped one too many times to get the dumb moderate voters who vote based on who they like.

haha fuking comical

I suppose he also caused global warming right?

[ByeShea]

No it wasn't. It didn't go that low until the last few months of 2008 when the recession killed demand which drove down the costs. Do you always lie this much?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/boredzo/3045435418/

The price of a gas when Obama took office was $1.87. This is fact, not a lie.

http://gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx

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And here's a link from 2012, in fact it's from today - an AP titled 'Gas prices are highest ever for this time of year'

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...02-18-16-20-35

Is this another of my lies?

[ByeShea]

Amazing how you can literally sense people hoping/praying for higher gas prices or poor economic numbers, merely to get a guy out of office (rather than work with him to move the country forward)

Working with Obama? Are you kidding me?

Is that what Obamacare was?

Once the election inevitably turns from a popularity contest into what it should be, an economic discussion, he is done.

He is done anyway because all his key "swing" states are mired in sh*t economically and he'll gain no new states.

He's got Cali/NY on lockdown, though, which is why half you career TV watchers think he's so magnificent.

[Andy117]

love guys like this andy11x

calling all the other candidates JOKERS

why?

but you are so willing to vote in a junior senator from a corrupt state, and now ride him for another four years eventhough he is starting more wars

but everyone else is a joker

The Republican bench has good candidates, they all chose not to run.
Santorum was a lousy senator who got tossed out of office. He's a social right guy who would if he could make us live by his morals. He was zero business experience and zero foreign policy experience. What is his appeal?
Gingritch was a good speaker but is a flawed candidate due to his personal history.

[MC PICKS]

Here's some knowledge for you. Oil is an international commodity. The price of oil is decided by a commodity market. The oil from the Keystone pipeline was not going to stay in the US, it was going to go to refineries on the Gulf of Mexico and then going to be sold on the open market. The US is currently a net exporter of fuel. http://www.usatoday.com/money/indust...ort/52298812/1 As stated in the article, "There's at least one domestic downside to America's growing role as a fuel exporter. Experts say the trend helps explain why U.S. motorists are paying more for gasoline. The more fuel that's sent overseas, the less of a supply cushion there is at home." The reason for this is what I stated above, oil is a global commodity. You know why Keystone wanted to build a pipeline to the Gulf of Mexico to refine their oil? Because they wanted to make it easily accessible to the rest of the world, it would have increased the supply of oil, overseas, but there's no other reason it had to go to the Gulf of Mexico. Guess what else. There's evidence that the Keystone XL pipeline would actually INCREASE the cost of gas in the midwestern United States. Why is that you ask? Why because Transcanada will not deal with the refineries that exist in the midwestern United States because they can get more for their crude oil in the Gulf region, so until the price the midwestern refineries are willing to pay increases to the level acceptable to Transcanada that crude that came from Canada is going to have to go down to the Gulf and then come back up to the midwestern United States. This would actually offset any gains in gas prices in the midwestern United States seen by a limited increase in production that the Keystone pipeline would provide. http://www.startribune.com/opinion/c...l?source=error So in all respects. Keystone wasn't going to decrease the cost of gas at the pump, nor was it going to decrease the US' reliance on foreign oil(we're a net exporter now). If you want to talk about jobs, the estimates, even from TransCanada seem to indicate that the jobs would number in the thousands for temporary workers and in the tens for permanent workers. But I'm sure that most people's feeble little minds can't grasp any of that, and they just think Obama Bad, Oil Good. As for the rest of this thread, Obama's chance at re-election is now at ~60% on the Intrade prediction market, so -150, and if you can get those odds and Rick Santorum is the Republican nominee its money in the bank.

This is all liberal lies and bullshit, heres the truth. Oil speculators set the prices of gas based on futures, if you start drilling more here offshore and build the pipeline then the price of gas will go down based on the fact that in the future we will not be purchasing as much oil from foreign nations, its thats simple, and thats what a person i know in the business told me. Liberlas want to feed americans bullshit about how the price will go up so they can push there green agendas which are not cost effective and frankly dont work even if they were. Who the hell is gonna buy an electric car that goes only 60 miles before needing to be recharged and can only go around 55 MPHs, epic failure, it will never work. Obama doesnt realize that the market will dictate itself and he cant pick, choose and try as he might, force the market on the american people, another example of his socialism.

[rkelly110]

Exactly McPicks. Our prices on gas aren't related to supply and demand, (technical)
it's fear. (fundamentals)

[PickWinnerAllDay]

The guy increased welfare. A program that needed to be decreased. Simple as that and the main reason I hate him.

[Shaudius]

This is all liberal lies and bullshit, heres the truth. Oil speculators set the prices of gas based on futures, if you start drilling more here offshore and build the pipeline then the price of gas will go down based on the fact that in the future we will not be purchasing as much oil from foreign nations, its thats simple, and thats what a person i know in the business told me. Liberlas want to feed americans bullshit about how the price will go up so they can push there green agendas which are not cost effective and frankly dont work even if they were. Who the hell is gonna buy an electric car that goes only 60 miles before needing to be recharged and can only go around 55 MPHs, epic failure, it will never work. Obama doesnt realize that the market will dictate itself and he cant pick, choose and try as he might, force the market on the american people, another example of his socialism.

Canada isn't a foreign nation? You do realize that they put tariffs on the crude that is coming out of the pipeline in CANADA that's what the article is saying? Its not liberal bullshit, if you read the report Keystone made to the government of Canada its exactly what they said they will do.

An electric car that only gets 60 MPC? Now who's pushing their agenda, your true colors come out with this part of your post. You also didn't actually answer any of my charges, that this would someone increase domestic production to any significant degree, and wouldn't do what I said it will, which is put money in the hands of a Canadian company that would tariff it, which is what the articles say it will do.

[Shaudius]

The guy increased welfare. A program that needed to be decreased. Simple as that and the main reason I hate him.

He made it easier to apply, he didn't make it easier to get. You can thank the tanking of the economy(whose ever fault it was) for the increase in the number of "Welfare"(a program that doesn't exist btw) pretty much exclusively on that.

[PickWinnerAllDay]

He made it easier to apply, he didn't make it easier to get. You can thank the tanking of the economy(whose ever fault it was) for the increase in the number of "Welfare"(a program that doesn't exist btw) pretty much exclusively on that.

welfare applies to a lot of things, don't be obtuse.

[Shaudius]

welfare applies to a lot of things, don't be obtuse.

Well since the program doesn't exist by that name, how am I supposed to know what you mean by it if it applies to "a lot of things". Oh that's that's right, its just a Republican talking point so it doesn't actually have to be explained because its mostly made in Republican echo chambers.

[MC PICKS]

Canada isn't a foreign nation? You do realize that they put tariffs on the crude that is coming out of the pipeline in CANADA that's what the article is saying? Its not liberal bullshit, if you read the report Keystone made to the government of Canada its exactly what they said they will do. An electric car that only gets 60 MPC? Now who's pushing their agenda, your true colors come out with this part of your post. You also didn't actually answer any of my charges, that this would someone increase domestic production to any significant degree, and wouldn't do what I said it will, which is put money in the hands of a Canadian company that would tariff it, which is what the articles say it will do.

Canada is partnering with the US on this one, keystone would have provided 40 thousand jobs immediately and 400 thousand by 2015, i answered your charges when i said its al liberal lies and bullshit. Like a typical liberal you dont have a clue and are looking for a handout, as far as electric cars are concerned, read the facts cause what i said is 100% true. Keep buying the bullshit obama is selling you, maybe you'll figure it out eventually. One word for ya, solyndra, epic failure along with every other green venture that this administration goes into.

[King Mayan]

unreal.

[Shaudius]

Canada is partnering with the US on this one, keystone would have provided 40 thousand jobs immediately and 400 thousand by 2015, i answered your charges when i said its al liberal lies and bullshit. Like a typical liberal you dont have a clue and are looking for a handout, as far as electric cars are concerned, read the facts cause what i said is 100% true. Keep buying the bullshit obama is selling you, maybe you'll figure it out eventually. One word for ya, solyndra, epic failure along with every other green venture that this administration goes into.

I don't know why I bother because your counter to any statistics or figures that I provide will not be countered with facts or figures of your own but instead with, "liberal lies and bullshit" because that's your only line of argumentation. Not to counter the substance of what I say but just to quote conservative talking points.

From the Cornell study of the impact of the Keystone XL Pipeline, "It is unfortunate that the numbers generated by TransCanada, the industry, and the Perryman study have been subject to so little scrutiny, because they clearly inflate the projections for the numbers of direct, indirect, and long-term induced jobs that KXL might expect to create. What is being offered by the proponents is advocacy to build support for KXL, rather than serious research aimed to inform public debate and responsible decision making." But of course your response will be that educational institutions have a liberal bias, better to be uneducated and listen to whatever Fox News tells you is true.

"TransCanada Corporation (TransCanada) (TSX, NYSE: TRP) today is pleased to announce a Project Labor Agreement for a significant portion of U.S. construction of the proposed US$7 billion Keystone Gulf Coast Expansion Pipeline Project (Keystone XL). The agreement will provide TransCanada with a capable, well-trained and ready workforce in the U.S. to construct Keystone XL. During construction, the project is expected to create over seven million hours of labor and over 13,000 new jobs for American workers. [TransCanada, 9/14/10]"

But then lets go farther, "Wash. Post: Based On TransCanada's Numbers, "The Number Of People Employed" Would Actually Be 6,500. A November 5 article in The Washington Post reported that TransCanada CEO Russ Girling "said Friday that the 13,000 figure was actually not a true job number, but actually accounted for 'one person, one year.'" The Post added that "if the construction jobs lasted two years, the number of people employed in each of the two years would be 6,500." From the article:"

What does the electric car have anything to do with anything though? There's really no such thing, the hybrids that exist aren't pure electric, and neither is the Chevy Volt, your argument is just a strawman to make it seem like Obama is pushing pipe dreams.

As for Solyndra, the technology wasn't the problem, the problem was that China can do it cheaper(isn't that always the problem?) So, your argument is that as part of dozens and dozens of loan guarantees that the government gave to companies if a few go bankrupt the whole thing is a bad idea and we should just not sponsor green energy initiatives at all? So we shouldn't pick winners and losers?

Then why are you presumably supporting a candidate who wouldn't stop the government from picking winners and losers. The Republican party is against ending subsidies for oil companies and others(who have record profits btw), and yet on the other hand saying that we should get out of the business of picking winners and losers. The Republican party just wants to push the winners and losers they want(oil companies) and not the winners and losers they don't want(the green energy companies). But to pretend its somehow noble when the Republicans do it, but socialism when the Democrats do it is complete hogwash.

[DwightShrute]

Stick to Canadian politics dummy, or at least stop posting your kindergarten photoshops..

don't be such a nudnik and a mooncalf

[MC PICKS]

I don't know why I bother because your counter to any statistics or figures that I provide will not be countered with facts or figures of your own but instead with, "liberal lies and bullshit" because that's your only line of argumentation. Not to counter the substance of what I say but just to quote conservative talking points. From the Cornell study of the impact of the Keystone XL Pipeline, "It is unfortunate that the numbers generated by TransCanada, the industry, and the Perryman study have been subject to so little scrutiny, because they clearly inflate the projections for the numbers of direct, indirect, and long-term induced jobs that KXL might expect to create. What is being offered by the proponents is advocacy to build support for KXL, rather than serious research aimed to inform public debate and responsible decision making." But of course your response will be that educational institutions have a liberal bias, better to be uneducated and listen to whatever Fox News tells you is true. "TransCanada Corporation (TransCanada) (TSX, NYSE: TRP) today is pleased to announce a Project Labor Agreement for a significant portion of U.S. construction of the proposed US$7 billion Keystone Gulf Coast Expansion Pipeline Project (Keystone XL). The agreement will provide TransCanada with a capable, well-trained and ready workforce in the U.S. to construct Keystone XL. During construction, the project is expected to create over seven million hours of labor and over 13,000 new jobs for American workers. [TransCanada, 9/14/10]" What does the electric car have anything to do with anything though? There's really no such thing, the hybrids that exist aren't pure electric, and neither is the Chevy Volt, your argument is just a strawman to make it seem like Obama is pushing pipe dreams. As for Solyndra, the technology wasn't the problem, the problem was that China can do it cheaper(isn't that always the problem?) So, your argument is that as part of dozens and dozens of loan guarantees that the government gave to companies if a few go bankrupt the whole thing is a bad idea and we should just not sponsor green energy initiatives at all? So we shouldn't pick winners and losers? Then why are you presumably supporting a candidate who wouldn't stop the government from picking winners and losers. The Republican party is against ending subsidies for oil companies and others(who have record profits btw), and yet on the other hand saying that we should get out of the business of picking winners and losers. The Republican party just wants to push the winners and losers they want(oil companies) and not the winners and losers they don't want(the green energy companies). But to pretend its somehow noble when the Republicans do it, but socialism when the Democrats do it is complete hogwash.

You have no clue, your last 2 paragraphs are laughable you are so clueless, go occupy something, like a job maybe for starters. With solyndra the administration was told that it would fail and obama pushed the loans thru anyway, total waste of taxpayer dollars, i could go on and on but you pull up some harvard studies done by more liberals who have their heads as far up their asses as you do. Oil works thats why the repubs support it, bottom line and if we could drill here we would all be better off.

[BrigadierPudding]

Much like Bush in '04, Obama would have been vulnerable vs a good candidate. Instead the opposing party is putting up a patsy. Romney couldn't beat 109 year old John McCain last time and now he can't put away an insane guy in a sweater vest that lost his senate seat by 18 points.