[pro-style]

Honestly I thought they should have let them in the end zone when there was ~2 mins left in the game. Kind of extreme, but NE had one of the most prolific offenses in the history of the NFL this year.

[BigDofBA]

Honestly I thought they should have let them in the end zone when there was ~2 mins left in the game. Kind of extreme, but NE had one of the most prolific offenses in the history of the NFL this year.

At that point New England could have still stopped them and held them to a FG. In that instance, New England would have only needed a FG to win.

I think they played it correctly.

[seaborneq]

You obviously don't know what you are talking about because you don't even know these people's names.

Who is "Holgran"? Who is "Condit"?

Billy "Cundiff" missed a 37 yard FG. That's a little tougher than a 18 yard FG lined up right down the middle. It's a smarter idea to at least give your self a shot with one of the best QB's ever.

Do you honestly think you are smarter than Bill Belichick? It was a smart move giving his team a chance at least. New England had a better chance of catching that Hail Mary than the Giants had of missing that FG.

There is a reason Bradshaw tried to fall down at the one yard line. He realized he could essentially end the game but he couldn't stop his momentum.

I'll take the ball back with a minute, timeout, and Brady over having to rely on Tynes missing an 18 yard FG with one second left.

You don't know who Mike Holgram is? I call him Condit because he kicks more like the politician Gary Condit than a clutch kicker formerly named Billy Condiff. I don't think I know more than Belichick, but I also have not lost two super bowls I should have won either.

[BigDofBA]

I don't understand how this is a discussion. OBV letting them score was the only thing that gave them more than like a 1 percent chance to win. As mentioned, they should of done it a play earlier.

The original poster is clueless.

[FourLengthsClear]

He said the fg is not guaranteed, and mentioned Billy Condit. Tony Romo mishandle a playoff snap, Giants snapper rolled one back in a playoff game against the Niners, and Billy Condit yakked an "easy" one to tie a game two weeks ago. Going 80+ yards with a minute to go just doesn't happen with less than a minute needing a touchdown versus a field goal.

Nothing is "guaranteed".

57 seconds to score a touchdown (bear in mind more than 1% of kick offs are returned for TDs)

vs

Hope that a 19yd field goal is missed (less than 1% probability - only 8 PATs were missed all season)


Both are unlikely but there is only one logical choice which is why a) The Patrots let him go, b) Bradshaw tried to stop and c) You are in a minority of one in this thread.

[seaborneq]

The original poster is clueless.

Show me your rings and I will bow down.

[BigDofBA]

You don't know who Mike Holgram is?

No I don't. Do you?

I know who Mike Holmgren is. You have spelled his name like three different ways.

Anyway, if you can't see how letting them score gave them a better chance, it's pointless to argue with you. Why do you think players fall down in bounds all the time?

[Speedy88]

You can't just let them wind down the clock and hope they miss the FG.

Now if Bill Cundiff were the Giants kicker, the NE defense would have just let them kick the FG with time expiring.

[Jonah]

Pats missed a lot of opportunities on that last drive and Gronk was still inches away. Great decision by Belly, especially if you had NYG -3.5.

[seaborneq]

I don't mind being in the minority, the majority loses at the casinos and sportsbooks all the time.

[zacblack]

You don't know who Mike Holgram is? I call him Condit because he kicks more like the politician Gary Condit than a clutch kicker formerly named Billy Condiff. I don't think I know more than Belichick, but I also have not lost two super bowls I should have won either.

Made extra points this year 99.67% .If Brady throws up that hail mary 100 Times they only have to catch it once .

You dont think they catch one of them ?

Letting them score in that situation was obviously the right play.

[seaborneq]

Very funny, but very true.

[darkhat]

You should of seen all these idiots I work with watching the games in their offices, running out yelling how great the blocking was on the run and how they dominated that play. I'm like are you all fukin morons.

[pro-style]

At the 2 minute mark they were on the NE18 and it was a 1st down. The Patriots had 2 timeouts at this point so the giants no matter what would have been able to run the clock down to about ~minute. The difference between a 35 yarder and an 18 yarder is X%. The difference between Brady scoring in 0:57 or 1:50 is Y% (with 2 timeouts). Which is higher?

Should have let them score earlier IMO.

[seaborneq]

You can't just let them wind down the clock and hope they miss the FG.

Now if Bill Cundiff were the Giants kicker, the NE defense would have just let them kick the FG with time expiring.

Very funny, but true.

[BigDofBA]

Made extra points this year 99.67% .If Brady throws up that hail mary 100 Times they only have to catch it once . You dont think they catch one of them ?

In addition, I'm sure the Patriots had a few TD drives in a minute. Obviously it was going to be tough but I think everyone here except for the guy that keeps talking about "Condit" and "Holmgram" knows it was the right thing to do.

Belichick agrees with us and he has three super bowl rings.

In addition, technically, the kick would have been easier than an extra point.

[BigDofBA]

You should of seen all these idiots I work with watching the games in their offices, running out yelling how great the blocking was on the run and how they dominated that play. I'm like are you all fukin morons.

That's funny. I ran to the store at halftime to get some more beverages. Some idiot was saying that the Giants were dominating and the Patriots were losing.... I was like, 10-9????? WTF game are you watching.

[darkhat]

The decision isn't a extra point basically VS a hail mary. They can drive the field for a normal TD in about a minute, with one time out. It is a billion times more likely than missing an extra point type of FG.

[thetrinity]

dumb post, only realistic chance new england had to win.

[BigDofBA]

Honestly I thought they should have let them in the end zone when there was ~2 mins left in the game. Kind of extreme, but NE had one of the most prolific offenses in the history of the NFL this year.

You can't just let them wind down the clock and hope they miss the FG.

The decision isn't a extra point basically VS a hail mary. They can drive the field for a normal TD in about a minute, with one time out. It is a billion times more likely than missing an extra point type of FG.

dumb post, only realistic chance new england had to win.

[FourLengthsClear]

LOL. I have changed my mind.
They should have tried to stop them. I just realised my Superbowl square was NFC 8 AFC 7. A field goal for the NYG and that hits.

[BigDofBA]

LOL. I have changed my mind. They should have tried to stop them. I just realised my Superbowl square was NFC 8 AFC 7. A field goal for the NYG and that hits.

[jsmithj88]

wat is the OP arguing about?
the giants had the ball in FG range and chewing up the clock
u let them score or u have no time to get into FG range
brady had 1 min and 1 TO and barely got to the 50 yard line

how was he supposed to get into FG range with 30 seconds or watver time was left if they didnt let the giants score?
letting them score was the only option

[C-Gold]

BB made the right call.

[pro-style]

BB made the right call.

Should have done it earlier. AINEC.

[Ernie Mccracken]

I wouldn't be upset if bellicheat OD'd on heroin tonight, but guy is #1 at making +EV calls.

[seaborneq]

LOL. I have changed my mind.
They should have tried to stop them. I just realised my Superbowl square was NFC 8 AFC 7. A field goal for the NYG and that hits.

Ironically I won a final game square because they let them score the touchdown. I still stand by the premise a botched snap, or blocked kick is possible in those pressure situations.

[BigDofBA]

Ironically I won a final game square because they let them score the touchdown. I still stand by the premise a botched snap, or blocked kick is possible in those pressure situations.

No one said it wasn't possible. We just said the odds were less than 1%.

Do you think the odds of a botched snap or blocked kick were greater than trying to let Brady drive for a TD in a minute with one timeout?

It was a closer kick than an extra point.

Gronkowski had his hand on the ball in the end zone the final play. I think the Patriots did the best they could with the hand they had dealt.

By letting the Giants score, the Pats gave them chance for a kickoff return, Hail Mary, final drive, etc.

[MoneyLineDawg]

This is retarded.....if you were a patriots fan or bet big on the money line, what would you rather have?

Pray for a missed extra point or give Brady a chance to work some magic with a minute left??

Dumb.

[MoneyLineDawg]

I wouldn't be upset if bellicheat OD'd on heroin tonight, but guy is #1 at making +EV calls.

Agreed.....I'm a big time jets fan and watch the patriots just about every week......Belichik makes correct calls percentage wise every time

[seaborneq]

This is retarded.....if you were a patriots fan or bet big on the money line, what would you rather have?

Pray for a missed extra point or give Brady a chance to work some magic with a minute left??

Dumb.

Whatever Lord of the onions rings.

[d2bets]

Letting him score was correct, HOWEVER, if the Pats had stopped them on 2nd and 3rd downs, they would not have the clock out. I figure NE would have been down 1 with about 12-15 seconds left and 0 TO's. Nearly impossible, but they still would have had the ball. Scored TD at 0:57. That was a 2nd yards run. Call TO at 0:56. 3rd down and if they come up short we're at maybe 0:51, clock runs to about 0:15. Call TO kick FG and we're down to :11 or :12.

Still, letting them score there was 100% right, TD with 0:57 and 1 TO is more likely than a FG with 0:11 and no TO. Missing a PAT type FG is less than 1%. I'd say letting them score increased they're chance to win from about 5% to over 10%.

[1sob]

it was the right call to let the giants score

[YouHave2outs]

I've seen it fail too many times. Ask Holgram and the Favre's.

yes, gold

[YouHave2outs]

18 yard fg. he makes it 95 percent of the time.

more than 95%