1. 01-06-12 01:30 PM #1
    bobby heenan
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    belichicks coaching tree

    maybe its because im a lifelong pats fan/season ticket holder...love my team...love bill

    but people love to bring up the people who have coached/worked under him and how they havent found success outside of the pats organization.....it just seems like people are trying to find what they can use to knock him down a notch

    the o'brien hiring has them coming out again.....and who knows what will happen for him at psu

    but i still dont get the hate

    charlie weis- prob one of the guys most ready for a head coaching job....this guy revived the careers of quinn, maurice stovall and jeff samardija.....he took two teams to bcs bowl games....they were blown out but matched against teams that were superior athletically.....those teams overachieved....almost knocked off #1 usc .......nd still suffers from the same problems after him....

    romeo-suffered from a bare cupboard...may be one of those guys that doesnt have the charisma/personality to be a head coach...but there has been little to no improvement in that organization even two regimes later

    mangini-guy probably not ready for the gig at the time....was respectable with the jets.....but the jets arent much different since he left...drafted revis....drafted a few other key guys they have.....same old jets without him though....cleveland was a disaster ...cupboard bare....he left it bare too though in fairness....

    mcdaniels-def not ready for the gig...probably the poster boy for teams pillaging the patriots for coaching talent simply because their organization is a winnner.....the guy did have a strong buzz going for a minute there with orton/marshall.....similar to the buzz they had going this year....which you could make a claim he is partly responsible for......time will tell if fox/elway can take this organization to the next level....

    scott pioli- pioli has done a decent job of making the chiefs respectable.....they made the playoffs last year....which was a suprise....but reality hit them this year with a tougher schedule...prob not a true playoff team the year before....but hes done a good job of stocking them with some talent....tyson jackson might be a bust....but theres some other solid pieces with moeaki, baldwin, eric berry, rodney hudson, mccluster....

    tom dmitroff- has done a great job with that organization....built them into a perennial playoff team.....alot of talent there....people tend to forget about this man when mentioning people that have worked with bill in the patriots organization......hes been pretty successful....

    overall when i look at the situations...i see most of the teams/programs in no better shape now than when these guys left......you can argue that some of these guys left the teams in bad shape....but i also think they took over some pretty destitute clubs/programs ....i feel people love to mention their lack of success to take shots at bill.....some of these guys probably should have never been head coaches in the first place.....but thats what happens when you win...everyone wants a piece
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  2. 01-06-12 01:36 PM #2
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    How does it reflect badly on Belichick....if anything it actually makes him look better...like these guys are nothing without Bill.
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  3. 01-06-12 01:37 PM #3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naz18 View Post
    How does it reflect badly on Belichick....if anything it actually makes him look better...like these guys are nothing without Bill.
    yeah but when it gets mentioned its never really in a positive light...like u said....no one ever says "it makes bill look even better"...they say "these guys arent successful"
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  4. 01-06-12 01:39 PM #4
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    Sorry, Bobby, but the reality is pretty much no one from the BB coaching tree has done squat.
    Weiss, who was supposedly bring a "schematic superority" with him ND, fired
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    Well, they aren't when compared to Walsh or Parcells.
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  6. 01-06-12 01:43 PM #6
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc JS View Post
    Sorry, Bobby, but the reality is pretty much no one from the BB coaching tree has done squat.
    Weiss, who was supposedly bring a "schematic superority" with him ND, fired
    like i said though...they took bare cupboard jobs...and cupboards are still bare.....

    if u look at what weis did at nd....it wasnt terrible in my eyes.....quinn, stovall, samardija were underachieving terribly......he came in and brought them to two bcs games against vastly superior opponents....but these guys were drafted...when he got there they were draft afterthoughts....sure they havent done shit in the nfl....but he did pretty well with them.....nd is still the same team with brian kelly....stupid turnover one after another.....
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    Some reason they always try to put Bill down....they are jealous they dont have a genius head coach on their team! like the whole spygate crap.....every team has a zillion camera all over the field filming every movement of every player....they told the NFL teams that they couldnt have cameras in a certain spot anymore...basically to take away 2 of their 200 camera out.....bill ignored it becuase it was so insignifficant....yet they call him a cheater. its pretty funny how jealous people are of sucess.
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    The ability to think outside the box and adjust on the fly rarely rubs off on other people...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dredmahawkus View Post
    Some reason they always try to put Bill down....they are jealous they dont have a genius head coach on their team! like the whole spygate crap.....every team has a zillion camera all over the field filming every movement of every player....they told the NFL teams that they couldnt have cameras in a certain spot anymore...basically to take away 2 of their 200 camera out.....bill ignored it becuase it was so insignifficant....yet they call him a cheater. its pretty funny how jealous people are of sucess.
    Boy, someone's panties are stuck far up their ass.
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  10. 01-06-12 02:27 PM #10
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    im listening to wfan today...i hate to....cause i dont like mike...hes good pals with bill parcells and always takes shots at belichick when he can

    but this guy has a beat writer from penn st on....and francesa keeps talking about what a tough job this is for o'brien...how hard its going to be.......so basically wouldnt u expect o'brien to fail? but when hes fired in two or 3 years these guys will still say "belichicks coaching disciples are 0-5 now....5 firings"......cause hes been saying it today "0-4...4 firings".....

    its ridiculous though....all of these guys have been thrust into tough spots....and weis was probably the only guy with the experience and charisma neccesaary to be a head coach
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    Quote Originally Posted by TexansFan View Post
    Boy, someone's panties are stuck far up their ass.
    I got the flu and aggrivated today!
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  12. 01-06-12 02:39 PM #12
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    Isn't romeo a paracells guy first? Francesa is a dope
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  13. 01-06-12 02:42 PM #13
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    yeah he is bears....but he took his head coaching job off of working for belichick...so most think of him as a guy under belichick
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    Coaches that thrive under The Hood then do nothing elsewhere only gives more credit to Belichick. It's HIS system that everyone is succeeding under!
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