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  • jjgold
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 07-20-05
    • 388179

    #421
    I am scared to go against Yanks

    Why are these fuks winning??
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    • PorkChop
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 09-18-08
      • 8193

      #422
      Originally posted by jjgold
      I am scared to go against Yanks

      Why are these fuks winning??

      Me too. Odorizzi sould be money here tonight but I can't pull trigger. (Especially on fact that Yankees got to him big last week in Tampa). Don't think he allows that again
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      • Vasco
        SBR Sharp
        • 03-16-12
        • 315

        #423
        7 is too low a number for this Kc/Cle game. Bauer has been lucky to keep his ERA down despite 11 walks in 19 IP. Guthrie could get shelled in this spot. Cleveland bats have been hit or miss but capable of waking up tonight. Looks like a great over bet.
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        • stevenash
          Moderator
          • 01-17-11
          • 65461

          #424
          Good News / Bad News

          My two ubnderdogs yesterday got fleas.
          Good news is my Hawks pick clicked.

          OK

          Archie Bradley and the Snakes tonight over the Rox

          1) If game is in Coors, I pass, but it's not, game is in Phoenix and the Rox don't hit as well on the road.
          Rox hit .301 at home, .265 on road.

          2) Archie Bradley is the much better starter here, should neutralize the Rox bats.

          3) Rox starter Kyle Kendrick is brutal, I personally would not trust him to walk my dogs.
          Snakes middle of the order with Goldy/Trumbo/Peralta can tame that hamburger.

          4) Fair price on the home team, very fair at -115

          Snakes at -115 tonight
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          • EXhoosier10
            SBR MVP
            • 07-06-09
            • 3122

            #425
            Originally posted by stevenash
            1) If game is in Coors, I pass, but it's not, game is in Phoenix and the Rox don't hit as well on the road.
            Rox hit .301 at home, .265 on road.
            For those thinking that .265 is bad, league average BA in 2015 is .247. It's been trending down from .255 since 2012. .265 is actually above average.
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            • stevenash
              Moderator
              • 01-17-11
              • 65461

              #426
              Originally posted by EXhoosier10
              For those thinking that .265 is bad, league average BA in 2015 is .247. It's been trending down from .255 since 2012. .265 is actually above average.
              My point being, the Rockies hit .36 points less on the road.
              My point IS NOT they can't hit for shit on the road.

              I'm fully aware of what the league average is.
              I think I know more about analytics than you do.

              Once again, the point I was driving home is the Rockies don't nearly hit as well on the road then at home.

              I see my thread is going to turn into a Exhoosier trying to discredit Nash versue Nash having to spoon feed my thought process to a poster who doesn't understand analytics.
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              • ZetaPsi808
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 09-18-08
                • 12119

                #427
                Originally posted by stevenash
                My point being, the Rockies hit .36 points less on the road.
                My point IS NOT they can't hit for shit on the road.

                I'm fully aware of what the league average is.
                I think I know more about analytics than you do.

                Once again, the point I was driving home is the Rockies don't nearly hit as well on the road then at home.

                I see my thread is going to turn into a Exhoosier trying to discredit Nash versue Nash having to spoon feed my thought process to a poster who doesn't understand analytics.
                nasher, i actually agree with your play dbacks -115.

                however i have to agree with hoosier here about the rockies home road splits.

                every MLB team would hit significantly lower average on the road if they played their home games at coors field
                this is pretty common knowledge that the thin air causes the ball to travel faster and farther in coors

                therefore i think this home road split angle is already factored into the line
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                • stevenash
                  Moderator
                  • 01-17-11
                  • 65461

                  #428
                  ^
                  The real reason I like the Dback play the most is the starting pitching matchup.
                  Not as much as the Rox hit .36 points less on the road.
                  Just saying, the chances of the Rockies croaking Bradley at Chase, or whatever they call their ballpark these days are less then it would be at Coors, and I'm saying Arizona can pretty much hit Kendrick anyplace, like most other teams.

                  Now having said that watch that meatbal throw a 3 hit shutout.
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                  • stevenash
                    Moderator
                    • 01-17-11
                    • 65461

                    #429
                    This is my fourth baseball season handicapping here.
                    Two out of three I turn a profit, search all the threads, it's out there, last year, not as good, but didn't get buried, and every year I have to defend my thought process.

                    I got idiots (not Hoosier, he does know a ton) but every year I get idiots that challenge my thought process, hell I had one bozo actually had the balls to tell me math has nothing to do with baseball, good one, baseball is math driven.
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                    • ZetaPsi808
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 09-18-08
                      • 12119

                      #430
                      nasher,

                      theres nothing wrong with challenging your thought process. anyone can tell you are a smart dude. i like your insight
                      but this is a forum and people will disagree.

                      keep up the good work
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                      • jjgold
                        SBR Aristocracy
                        • 07-20-05
                        • 388179

                        #431
                        Nashy it's part of forum work you just ignore it

                        I get slammed every day and I laugh and you should too and just do what you do we all love your work

                        Damn Yankees tonight again winning
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                        • stevenash
                          Moderator
                          • 01-17-11
                          • 65461

                          #432
                          And yet another case in point, going into tonight's Indians and Royals game.

                          Here are the BvP numbers of several Indians off of KC's Guthrie

                          Name PA AB H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS
                          Michael Brantley 28 28 8 3 0 1 4 0 3 0.286 0.286 0.5 0.786
                          Carlos Santana 24 21 10 3 0 2 4 3 2 0.476 0.542 0.905 1.446
                          Lonnie Chisenhall 16 15 8 1 0 1 5 1 2 0.533 0.563 0.8 1.363
                          Brandon Moss 12 12 5 1 0 2 5 0 5 0.417 0.417 1 1.417

                          These are the four I used tonight in a Cleveland stack with Cueto as my SP.
                          I used these four tonight, because you can't use more that four from the same team in a stack.
                          And i used these four based on past performances off of Guthrie.
                          It's called analytics.

                          Now let's see how these four are doing tonight so far.
                          Let's go to Mr. Box Score

                          Box score for the Kansas City Royals vs. Cleveland Indians MLB game from April 28, 2015 on ESPN. Includes all pitching and batting stats.
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                          • jjgold
                            SBR Aristocracy
                            • 07-20-05
                            • 388179

                            #433
                            I don't have the numbers but it always seems Kansas City is a good over team
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                            • 2daBank
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 01-26-09
                              • 88966

                              #434
                              Originally posted by stevenash
                              And yet another case in point, going into tonight's Indians and Royals game.

                              Here are the BvP numbers of several Indians off of KC's Guthrie

                              Name PA AB H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS
                              Michael Brantley 28 28 8 3 0 1 4 0 3 0.286 0.286 0.5 0.786
                              Carlos Santana 24 21 10 3 0 2 4 3 2 0.476 0.542 0.905 1.446
                              Lonnie Chisenhall 16 15 8 1 0 1 5 1 2 0.533 0.563 0.8 1.363
                              Brandon Moss 12 12 5 1 0 2 5 0 5 0.417 0.417 1 1.417

                              These are the four I used tonight in a Cleveland stack with Cueto as my SP.
                              I used these four tonight, because you can't use more that four from the same team in a stack.
                              And i used these four based on past performances off of Guthrie.
                              It's called analytics.

                              Now let's see how these four are doing tonight so far.
                              Let's go to Mr. Box Score

                              http://espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?game...105&refresh=30
                              I played the over. Those numbers vs Guthrie scared me off what been the best bet in bases, kc as dogs..
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                              • Louisvillekid1
                                SBR Aristocracy
                                • 10-17-07
                                • 52143

                                #435
                                Get 'em nasher!
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                                • stevenash
                                  Moderator
                                  • 01-17-11
                                  • 65461

                                  #436
                                  Brian McCan going into tonights game versus Odorizzi was 8 for 13 .615/.683/1.308/1.951
                                  What were the chances he would go 0 for 4 tonight?
                                  McCann so far 2 for 3, two doubles and 3 RBI's.

                                  BvP useless?
                                  Or is it an ancilary stat that sometimes you can't ignore?
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                                  • ZetaPsi808
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 09-18-08
                                    • 12119

                                    #437
                                    bvp a useful stat. i think most would agree
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                                    • broadway6
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 11-14-09
                                      • 13337

                                      #438
                                      Originally posted by stevenash
                                      Brian McCan going into tonights game versus Odorizzi was 8 for 13 .615/.683/1.308/1.951
                                      What were the chances he would go 0 for 4 tonight?
                                      McCann so far 2 for 3, two doubles and 3 RBI's.

                                      BvP useless?
                                      Or is it an ancilary stat that sometimes you can't ignore?
                                      i've started to use it a lot... but agree it can't be the only stat you use...
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                                      • 2daBank
                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                        • 01-26-09
                                        • 88966

                                        #439
                                        I actually use BvP several different ways, at times I like a players numbers vs a guy and project it to continue, but there plenty of times depending on matchup I project the opposite of what a small sample will sometimes have u believe. It all so subjective and really senseless to argue about as there no right answer and we all go about it differently, that's what makes it fun..
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                                        • OckertCR
                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                          • 06-22-14
                                          • 641

                                          #440
                                          Should just slam Red Sox over every game. Their lineup is deep and starting pitching is horseshit
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                                          • stevenash
                                            Moderator
                                            • 01-17-11
                                            • 65461

                                            #441
                                            Aramis Ramierez 17 for 48 lifetime versus Johnny Cueto.
                                            .354 and 5 homeruns lifetime

                                            A-Ram hits a homer once every 9.5 times a plate app. off of Cueto.
                                            No way he goes deep tonight, right?

                                            1-2 Cueto plunked him HBP (I wonder why)
                                            the one hit, massive home run.
                                            You don't think A-Ram is in Cueto's head even before the first pitch is thrown?

                                            I'll type in again, I'll type it until my fingers bleed.
                                            BvP is an ancilary stat that should not be ignored in a lot of cases.
                                            I'm not a slave to it, but it's an ancilary stat that is used to lends support to your handicapping.
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                                            • 2daBank
                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                              • 01-26-09
                                              • 88966

                                              #442
                                              Originally posted by stevenash
                                              Aramis Ramierez 17 for 48 lifetime versus Johnny Cueto.
                                              .354 and 5 homeruns lifetime

                                              A-Ram hits a homer once every 9.5 times a plate app. off of Cueto.
                                              No way he goes deep tonight, right?

                                              1-2 Cueto plunked him HBP (I wonder why)
                                              the one hit, massive home run.
                                              You don't think A-Ram is in Cueto's head even before the first pitch is thrown?

                                              I'll type in again, I'll type it until my fingers bleed.
                                              BvP is an ancilary stat that should not be ignored in a lot of cases.
                                              I'm not a slave to it, but it's an ancilary stat that is used to lends support to your handicapping.
                                              I've always used it in one way or another so I'm certainly not here to argue. I will say far as this 1, that dude has owned all cards pitchers for years and if u tried to support this argument with him vs any of them this year it wouldn't have looked so tidy.,
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                                              • Da Manster!
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 07-13-07
                                                • 17720

                                                #443
                                                Originally posted by stevenash
                                                Aramis Ramierez 17 for 48 lifetime versus Johnny Cueto.
                                                .354 and 5 homeruns lifetime

                                                A-Ram hits a homer once every 9.5 times a plate app. off of Cueto.
                                                No way he goes deep tonight, right?

                                                1-2 Cueto plunked him HBP (I wonder why)
                                                the one hit, massive home run.
                                                You don't think A-Ram is in Cueto's head even before the first pitch is thrown?

                                                I'll type in again, I'll type it until my fingers bleed.
                                                BvP is an ancilary stat that should not be ignored in a lot of cases.
                                                I'm not a slave to it, but it's an ancilary stat that is used to lends support to your handicapping.
                                                Nash,
                                                I've always used BvP as one of my handicapping tools as well...but do you ever factor in the law of averages?...for example, Aramis Ramieriz is due to cool off against a top notch pitcher like Johnny Cueto...In all sports, but baseball particular, things due have a way of evening out in the long run...
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                                                • ZetaPsi808
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 09-18-08
                                                  • 12119

                                                  #444
                                                  Originally posted by Da Manster!
                                                  Nash,
                                                  I've always used BvP as one of my handicapping tools as well...but do you ever factor in the law of averages?...for example, Aramis Ramieriz is due to cool off against a top notch pitcher like Johnny Cueto...In all sports, but baseball particular, things due have a way of evening out in the long run...
                                                  i disagree. of course there will be some variance, but i think this trend has significance
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                                                  • jjgold
                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                    • 07-20-05
                                                    • 388179

                                                    #445
                                                    NASHY fukkin Yankees killing me

                                                    That is it..not fading them anymore
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                                                    • stevenash
                                                      Moderator
                                                      • 01-17-11
                                                      • 65461

                                                      #446
                                                      Originally posted by jjgold
                                                      NASHY fukkin Yankees killing me

                                                      That is it..not fading them anymore
                                                      I leave the Yanks alone these days.
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                                                      • Da Manster!
                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                        • 07-13-07
                                                        • 17720

                                                        #447
                                                        Originally posted by ZetaPsi808
                                                        i disagree. of course there will be some variance, but i think this trend has significance
                                                        it's not a matter of disagreeing or agreeing...sometimes you've got to play the percentages while other times you go against the grain...for example, what if Rameirez was in a huge batting slump?...that would certainly factor in the equation...that's I meant by "things evening out"...and there are weather factors to consider such as wind direction and how many MPH its blowing...and also which umpiring crew is doing the game and how do they tend to call ballgames...many variables that go into the equation when handicapping...just like the RPI in college hoops, the BvP is a good, useful tool to use.
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                                                        • stevenash
                                                          Moderator
                                                          • 01-17-11
                                                          • 65461

                                                          #448
                                                          Originally posted by Da Manster!
                                                          Nash,
                                                          I've always used BvP as one of my handicapping tools as well...but do you ever factor in the law of averages?...for example, Aramis Ramieriz is due to cool off against a top notch pitcher like Johnny Cueto...In all sports, but baseball particular, things due have a way of evening out in the long run...
                                                          Certain BvP's you just can't ingore, a lot of them you can ignore, certain numbers you can't leave alone.
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                                                          • stevenash
                                                            Moderator
                                                            • 01-17-11
                                                            • 65461

                                                            #449
                                                            Originally posted by Da Manster!
                                                            it's not a matter of disagreeing or agreeing...sometimes you've got to play the percentages while other times you go against the grain...for example, what if Rameirez was in a huge batting slump?...that would certainly factor in the equation...that's I meant by "things evening out"...and there are weather factors to consider such as wind direction and how many MPH its blowing...and also which umpiring crew is doing the game and how do they tend to call ballgames...many variables that go into the equation when handicapping...just like the RPI in college hoops, the BvP is a good, useful tool to use.
                                                            Some times certain pitchers, good or not so good are slump busters for hitters.
                                                            I played the game, there were certain very good pitchers I've had very good success off of, and looked forward to facing.
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                                                            • ZetaPsi808
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 09-18-08
                                                              • 12119

                                                              #450
                                                              true manster ^^
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                                                              • stevenash
                                                                Moderator
                                                                • 01-17-11
                                                                • 65461

                                                                #451
                                                                Diamondbacks up 3-1
                                                                very early though
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                                                                • stevenash
                                                                  Moderator
                                                                  • 01-17-11
                                                                  • 65461

                                                                  #452
                                                                  A STRONG HEAD-TO-HEAD MATCHUP

                                                                  Giants LHP Madison Bumgarner is lights out against Dodgers 1B Adrian Gonzalez in his career, but Gonzo has been hot at home so far this season, hitting .477 with 5 homers. The Giants struck first and lead 1-0 after the top of the 1st.
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                                                                  • stevenash
                                                                    Moderator
                                                                    • 01-17-11
                                                                    • 65461

                                                                    #453
                                                                    ^
                                                                    BvP says Bummy is the play over A-Gon
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                                                                    • Da Manster!
                                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                                      • 07-13-07
                                                                      • 17720

                                                                      #454
                                                                      Originally posted by stevenash
                                                                      Certain BvP's you just can't ingore, a lot of them you can ignore, certain numbers you can't leave alone.
                                                                      I concur...it's actually one of the reasons why I usually play totals when I wager on MLB!...
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                                                                      • ZetaPsi808
                                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                                        • 09-18-08
                                                                        • 12119

                                                                        #455
                                                                        Originally posted by stevenash
                                                                        Diamondbacks up 3-1
                                                                        very early though
                                                                        our starting pitcher got plunked with a line drive. had to leave the game. his replacement is looking shaky
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