[billysink]

You can say the same thing about the other side. Lets be honest, outside of the Lions D-line, their defense sucks. Chargers have just as many weapons as the Lions. Only difference is SD can run the ball, the Lions can't. I do agree that Megatron requires more attention than any other WR in the NFL, but the Lions are going to have their hands full with Vincent Jackson, Malcolm Floyd, Gates, and Mathews/Tolbert.

The over is the real play here.

The perception is that the Lion's defence sucks. That perception is based upon what we have seen in the last 3 and a half games played. Two of which Suh and Fairley were out. All three without their starting corners and safety.

Before those injuries the Lion's yards per catch defensive averge was # 2 in the league. That is the facts. They were statistically a very good unit against the pass.

They may have all hands on deck this week if Delmas plays.

Do not handicap what you saw. Try to paint a picture of what you might see.


The key to the game is whether or not Detroit can stop the run game. With Fairley active and ready they have a real shot to do so. He is a beast against the run. Not an overly well known fact given his limited opportunity to play this year but he is as advertised.

I just cannot get over the people tripping over themselves to play San Diego here.

I am not saying they are wrong at this point as I am not sure who will be active. I am merely wondering if anyone put the newspaper down or stopped watching ESPN long enough to handicap the game.

Vincent Jackson tweaked his groin against Baltimore and did not practice today. Doesn't anyone want to consider his availability or whether he is limited in any way before making this play??????

I want everyone to win every play they make. But I want you all to get dirty and do all the work you need to before you hit that submit button!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[billysink]

yeah that unstoppable detroit offense has scored less than 20 points 5 times in the last 9 games, including less than 20 against gb/no

chargers have held last 4 opponents to 2 tds or less, that continues here

Clown.

I am looking through my posts here were I made mention that the Lion's offense was unstoppable. I still can't find that. Probably because I did not say that.

What I said is that they present matchup problems for San Diego. If you can't see that then you probably do not watch a lot of football. Or understand it very well.

Or both.

I do not disagree with your play. I did not say it was wrong.

Before your tampon gets up any further, stop and read the posts. They are factual.

This game is not as cut and dried as you and others present it to be.

That is all.

[milwaukee mike]

The perception is that the Lion's defence sucks. That perception is based upon what we have seen in the last 3 and a half games played. Two of which Suh and Fairley were out. All three without their starting corners and safety.

Before those injuries the Lion's yards per catch defensive averge was # 2 in the league. That is the facts. They were statistically a very good unit against the pass.

They may have all hands on deck this week if Delmas plays.

Do not handicap what you saw. Try to paint a picture of what you might see.


The key to the game is whether or not Detroit can stop the run game. With Fairley active and ready they have a real shot to do so. He is a beast against the run. Not an overly well known fact given his limited opportunity to play this year but he is as advertised.

I just cannot get over the people tripping over themselves to play San Diego here.

I am not saying they are wrong at this point as I am not sure who will be active. I am merely wondering if anyone put the newspaper down or stopped watching ESPN long enough to handicap the game.

Vincent Jackson tweaked his groin against Baltimore and did not practice today. Doesn't anyone want to consider his availability or whether he is limited in any way before making this play??????

I want everyone to win every play they make. But I want you all to get dirty and do all the work you need to before you hit that submit button!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

come on man you don't think I handicap?
check my picks I DON'T LOSE

chargers are the much better team and action jackson is playing
what don't you understand about "I am expecting he will play"

[billysink]

yeah that unstoppable detroit offense has scored less than 20 points 5 times in the last 9 games, including less than 20 against gb/no

chargers have held last 4 opponents to 2 tds or less, that continues here

If you would like a little points wager that the Chargers hold the Lions to two touchdowns or less I will gladly take that action.

I have 200 points that say you are wrong.

Interested??????

[milwaukee mike]

I would love to take that action if you were a pro
but as a non pro you can only go 2 pts/day and I don't have that much patience

[billysink]

come on man you don't think I handicap?
check my picks I DON'T LOSE

chargers are the much better team and action jackson is playing
what don't you understand about "I am expecting he will play"

How many times have we seen I am expecting he will play only to find out on Sunday that he is limited at 70% or inactive.


No one said you were going to lose. If you handicap then post that you have done so.

You handicapped one side of this one pal. You sided with San Diego before you even started here. Based on the usual public perceptions.

There are two sides to every game. I presented the other.

Sorry if it upset you kid. I did not say you were wrong.

[billysink]

I would love to take that action if you were a pro
but as a non pro you can only go 2 pts/day and I don't have that much patience

What is this pro stuff. I can make it happen.

The wager would be that the Chargers limit the Lions to two touchdowns or less.

Correct??

[billysink]

What is this pro stuff. I can make it happen.

The wager would be that the Chargers limit the Lions to two touchdowns or less.

Correct??

Not interested???


Chance to shine here, put a little something behind that statement.

[zsr]

Not interested???


Chance to shine here, put a little something behind that statement.

You have to deposit 200 somewhere to become pro. Click the Become a Pro link under your name and it will explain

[milwaukee mike]

What is this pro stuff. I can make it happen.

The wager would be that the Chargers limit the Lions to two touchdowns or less.

Correct??

you become a pro before game time and i'll take the wager

not sure why you call me "kid" or think i didn't handicap both sides of this or think you upset me

you claim to know that i sided with public perception and took san diego before even thinking about the game. so where do you get this knowledge of my brain from? when have i ever posted a play in players talk without any thought behind it?

[billysink]

you become a pro before game time and i'll take the wager

not sure why you call me "kid" or think i didn't handicap both sides of this or think you upset me

you claim to know that i sided with public perception and took san diego before even thinking about the game. so where do you get this knowledge of my brain from? when have i ever posted a play in players talk without any thought behind it?

I completed that Pro application and sent it in. It says it may take 2-4 days.

Are we in agreement that if the Lions score 14 or less I pay you and if it is 14 or more you pay me.

Stake is 200 SBR.

[dlunc3]

I completed that Pro application and sent it in. It says it may take 2-4 days.

Are we in agreement that if the Lions score 14 or less I pay you and if it is 14 or more you pay me.

Stake is 200 SBR.

lol I love the chargers in this spot more then the next guy... but that bet is the best bet on the board if its available

[k13]

I'll take the Lions 14 point offer and I'll send you my offer details tomorrow by PM.

[dlunc3]

ill go pro right now and bet 2500 points if that bet is available

[billysink]

ill go pro right now and bet 2500 points if that bet is available

Get off my action D

LOL.

If Fairley and Delmas do not play this game is a tossup.

[billysink]

I'll take the Lions 14 point offer and I'll send you my offer details tomorrow by PM.

My guess is that will not be agreed to.

[dlunc3]

Get off my action D

LOL.

If Fairley and Delmas do not play this game is a tossup.

haha i need to get on it before that line moves! and good write ups about the game... I like your thoughts, and responded in the other thread

(btw I hate all the love this game is getting now... that blowout vs balt caused all this love... i had this play starred for a few weeks now... I hope that blow out and all this love doesnt affect what I view as a very strong play)

[milwaukee mike]

I completed that Pro application and sent it in. It says it may take 2-4 days.

Are we in agreement that if the Lions score 14 or less I pay you and if it is 14 or more you pay me.

Stake is 200 SBR.

whoa whoa whoa

you said hold them to two tds or less

i would be willing to let you go 200 to win 200 detroit over 2.5 tds now you are changing the wager

why in the world would i take lions under 14 pts when i could take lions under 27 pts at every sportsbook?

once you become pro pm me about your original offer of MORE THAN 2 TDS not this 14 point stuff

[billysink]

Your statement was and I quote "chargers have held last 4 opponents to 2 tds or less, that continues here."

That makes the wager 2 touchdowns not 2.5.

2 is a push. Total points is immaterial.

Agreed???

[billysink]

Mike lets get this done.

[LT Profits]

I don't think the "wrong team is favored" because the line is right where I thought it would be. But I do agree that San Diego wins.

[milwaukee mike]

Your statement was and I quote "chargers have held last 4 opponents to 2 tds or less, that continues here."

That makes the wager 2 touchdowns not 2.5.

2 is a push. Total points is immaterial.

Agreed???

no way am i taking 2 as a push, the only way i win that bet is if detroit gets 1 td or 0 tds (not likely).

i would be giving you a huge advantage just taking under 2.5 tds, which is what my statement was. i am willing to be generous but i'm not just giving points away without a fighting chance.

send me a pm after you have pro status, i might not be checking back here. there is also a question of do you have the 200 points?

[BigDan]

come on man you don't think I handicap?
check my picks I DON'T LOSE

chargers are the much better team and action jackson is playing
what don't you understand about "I am expecting he will play"

no one at sbr loses

[billysink]

no way am i taking 2 as a push, the only way i win that bet is if detroit gets 1 td or 0 tds (not likely).

i would be giving you a huge advantage just taking under 2.5 tds, which is what my statement was. i am willing to be generous but i'm not just giving points away without a fighting chance.

send me a pm after you have pro status, i might not be checking back here. there is also a question of do you have the 200 points?

Merry Christmas Mike and good luck with your plays.

[milwaukee mike]

come on billy

two tds or less is the SAME as less than 3, it would give me a win on one td or two tds. two tds or less is a lot different than less than 2, which is what you are trying to hold me to.

if i said "i think you have two dollars or less in your wallet" and you have 2 dollars wouldn't i be right?

[wantitall4moi]

I dont get into the whole trap thing but if it is a trap then Lions at anything less than a FG is begging for you to take the Lions.

Since the line was -2.5 then they want action. -3 makes some people lay off or maybe buy the vig to another number. But since t wasnt 3 then they want people to bet it. Just like the Pats Denver game, they threw up a bullshit number and then moved it like the original didnt even exist. So while they lost on all the early Pats money they made up the vig on all the guys buying back Denver +whatever. And more since the vig with a 'good' denver line was -120 or more.

SD is money in Dec and Jan. But its inside on turf and Det is feeling some pressure, a lot of guys had this team going to the Superbowl if I remember all the nonsense from August. SD has issues on turf, only team they can beat on it are the Colts, ironically.

Line is about right actually despite it looking like a 'trap' game to some. But to me it looks like the books are giving the edge to the Chargers just because -3 on Det would have been as believable but it wouldnt have ganrered nearly as much action.

[milwaukee mike]

Merry Christmas Mike and good luck with your plays.

billy thanks for the wishes, same to you.

[d2bets]

You can say the same thing about the other side. Lets be honest, outside of the Lions D-line, their defense sucks. Chargers have just as many weapons as the Lions. Only difference is SD can run the ball, the Lions can't. I do agree that Megatron requires more attention than any other WR in the NFL, but the Lions are going to have their hands full with Vincent Jackson, Malcolm Floyd, Gates, and Mathews/Tolbert.

The over is the real play here.

O52 definitely seems right. Really ought to be a shootout. Game could go either way.

[mlesnet]

Yeah, it's true that the game can possibly go either way, but the value is on San Diego. People know better than to pick against them in December. Well not even going by that myth, the facts still show that the 3 games in December, San Diego has won by an average of a little over 23 points. Last weeks game alone against the ravens, which could be argued as one of the best defenses in the league, as well as afc title contenders, San Diego was still able to drop 34 against them. San Diego's pieces are back in full effect, Gates looks great, they look great. I am also a Packer backer if that takes anything away from Detroit, but I'm still stating what is my honest football opinion. If you can't tell by now, I will be taking the chargers ml. Good luck to everyone else though.

[Mr Handicapable]

Detroit is a one dimensional team on both sides of the ball and SD should take advantage of that. SD +123 ML is the best play here imo. Its pretty obvious that Detroit's back 7 on D is pretty weak and Norv Turner is smart enough to greatly slow down their pash rush with draws & screens. Matthews and Gates will have a field day! Stafford is a great talent and takes good care of the ball considering how much he has to throw it and SD is only average defensively but SD should be able to win it with ball control. Hell Minnesota almost came back from 21-0 with ball control against Detroit.

[wantitall4moi]

Detroit is a one dimensional team on both sides of the ball and SD should take advantage of that. SD +123 ML is the best play here imo. Its pretty obvious that Detroit's back 7 on D is pretty weak and Norv Turner is smart enough to greatly slow down their pash rush with draws & screens. Matthews and Gates will have a field day! Stafford is a great talent and takes good care of the ball considering how much he has to throw it and SD is only average defensively but SD should be able to win it with ball control. Hell Minnesota almost came back from 21-0 with ball control against Detroit.

Theyll probably go higher. 5dimes*** just changed from a 20 cent line to a dimeline so theyre looking for action. But al they did when they made the switch was add a nickle to each side but if I had to guess I am saying their looking for Det Money. SD might get close to 135 at some point.

Edited. 5 dimes not pinny.

[milwaukee mike]

Theyll probably go higher. 5dimes*** just changed from a 20 cent line to a dimeline so theyre looking for action. But al they did when they made the switch was add a nickle to each side but if I had to guess I am saying their looking for Det Money. SD might get close to 135 at some point.

Edited. 5 dimes not pinny.

moneylines are down to around +115 everywhere, i think the +2 -110 is better if you can still find it, and bodog has a juicy +3 -130 line that looks interesting

[fergie's balls]

Yeah im happy I jumped at 5dimes +3 -125 wed am. Maybe was Tuesday don't remember. Vjax development troubling though he's a beast. Chargers versatility out of that offense is amazing when they are on. Norv is terrifying in 4th but offensively the man has a good a head as anybody.

[NardVa]

Chargers are the better team and should win. The only thing that scares me is the Lions always come back and win games they have no buisness winning.

[milwaukee mike]

Chargers are the better team and should win. The only thing that scares me is the Lions always come back and win games they have no buisness winning.

those were against some pretty inferior opponents for the most part.

should be fun, i wish this was an early game - but i guess they made it late because only 1 west coast team playing at home today (seattle) while sf, sd, denv, oak are all away?