[jjgold]

Say you can get 1/2 better on 60% of games

[MonkeyF0cker]

1/2 point better than what? Takes you to about breakeven (generally speaking) on sides against fair value at -110.

[Reload]

Means a lot, JJ. Every point matters in hoops - can come down to any margin. Think about all the late fouling alone - can land on any number like a roulette wheel.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Means a lot, JJ. Every point matters in hoops - can come down to any margin. Think about all the late fouling alone - can land on any number like a roulette wheel.

[jjgold]

Well if a game is -17 -110... I can probably get -16.5 -110

[MonkeyF0cker]

Well if a game is -17 -110... I can probably get -16.5 -110

That adds around 1.7% to your long term expected win percentage.

[zsr]

Well if a game is -17 -110... I can probably get -16.5 -110

If your getting both -110 then of course the 16.5 is better

[floridagolfer]

Obviously, but if you have to pay for the extra half point, then that's an entirely different discussion.

[phillysfinest4]

Jj I thought u didn't like college hoops

[flyingillini]

It means everything in the world to Nicky

[HoulihansTX]

If you are not paying for the point, then its the only way to play.

[MoneyLineDawg]

I'm not following here......

[Emily_Haines]

On a total it means nothing.

[MonkeyF0cker]

On a total it means nothing.

 If(nothing == something)
**
      Me.agree;
**

.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Can't use curly brackets here? WTF.

[EaglesPhan36]

I wonder what history says all-time in sports about this? My guess is that getting an extra 0.5 in most sports doesn't wind up mattering at the end of 80% of the games, maybe more.

[MoneyLineDawg]

I wonder what history says all-time in sports about this? My guess is that getting an extra 0.5 in most sports doesn't wind up mattering at the end of 80% of the games, maybe more.

Definitely more......4 out of 5 games do not come down to half a point......not even close

[mh217]

well in 2nd halfs its huge.. and i would say in instances when you are going to the next point..like say 7.5 to 8 for example its extra huge cause now they need 9 to beat you

[warriorfan707]

I think you already know that only a small percentage of the time will it come into play. Not sure why you are asking this.

[FourLengthsClear]

On a total it means nothing.

1% (5 cents if you prefer) is better on my side than on the books.

[FourLengthsClear]

I wonder what history says all-time in sports about this? My guess is that getting an extra 0.5 in most sports doesn't wind up mattering at the end of 80% of the games, maybe more.

In CBB it is just over 96%.

That means there is just under 4% of the time that it does matter. Equivalent to nearly +2% on your win/loss record is worth having, no?

[zsr]

In CBB it is just over 96%.

That means there is just under 4% of the time that it does matter. Equivalent to nearly +2% on your win/loss record is worth having, no?

Is it worth paying for the extra half point? Or are you just saying if it's the same price?

[FourLengthsClear]

Is it worth paying for the extra half point? Or are you just saying if it's the same price?

It is very marginal (on sides) but in most spots it is not worth it.
With single digit spreads and a low projected total you are, generally speaking, not losing value.

[RyanLeafOfBets]

I almost always buy half a point in the line is at .5, if it's at a whole number, I usually don't, until it's a NFL game at 7 or 6.

[warriorfan707]

Buy half points in football games when the line is 3.5,3,7.5,7

Only time buying a half point really makes any sense. If you are so worried about a half point in a hoops game you probably shouldnt be betting it.

[paco]

Mattered in the Washington game today

[mcbaseball10]

Two halves make one whole.

[FourLengthsClear]

Buy half points in football games when the line is 3.5,3,7.5,7

Only time buying a half point really makes any sense. If you are so worried about a half point in a hoops game you probably shouldnt be betting it.

Says the guy that plays alternative spreads (buying points) which are 8+ points away from the base on pretty much every side he takes.

[warriorfan707]

Says the guy that plays alternative spreads (buying points) which are 8+ points away from the base on pretty much every side he takes.

Thats different than buying a single half point.

Are you just trolling me or are you so fukking retarded you honestly dont see the difference here?

This is when I get agitated. When people who appear to be at least reasonably intelligent act like fukking imbeciles to try to piss me off.

[FourLengthsClear]

Thats different than buying a single half point.

Are you just trolling me or are you so fukking retarded you honestly dont see the difference here?

This is when I get agitated. When people who appear to be at least reasonably intelligent act like fukking imbeciles to try to piss me off.

I'll tell you what. I will admit to being "fukking retarded" if you can give me a reasonable explanation of what the difference is.

You pick a side on which you presumably see value (i.e the probability of winning is better than 52.38%). If you have confidence in this pick, what is the rationale in buying 8 points and how does that differ to buying 2 points or buying half a point?

[warriorfan707]

I'll tell you what. I will admit to being "fukking retarded" if you can give me a reasonable explanation of what the difference is.

You pick a side on which you presumably see value (i.e the probability of winning is better than 52.38%). If you have confidence in this pick, what is the rationale in buying 8 points and how does that differ to buying 2 points or buying half a point?

Dude I really dont feel like getting a debate with you about numbers right now I gotta be honest with you.

I let the results speak for themselves. I turned a 100 dollar deposit into 2800 in 2 weeks and have placed 43 wagers, going 32-11.

[FourLengthsClear]

Dude I really dont feel like getting a debate with you about numbers right now I gotta be honest with you.

I let the results speak for themselves. I turned a 100 dollar deposit into 2800 in 2 weeks and have placed 43 wagers, going 32-11.

Good for you but I thought you said you started with 800 or 900 dollars.

[warriorfan707]

Good for you but I thought you said you started with 800 or 900 dollars.

No, you can go back in the thread and see. I was banned and when I came back I had around that in the account, but the deposit was 100, I posted the wagering history.

And 4lc, I actually like you, I wasnt calling you "fukking retarded", its just that the fact that you would compare buying a single half point to playing a teaser is a major to me and Im sure a lot of others.

[FourLengthsClear]

No, you can go back in the thread and see. I was banned and when I came back I had around that in the account, but the deposit was 100, I posted the wagering history.

And 4lc, I actually like you, I wasnt calling you "fukking retarded", its just that the fact that you would compare buying a single half point to playing a teaser is a major to me and Im sure a lot of others.

OK to keep it simple, let's talk in terms of a regular 4 point basketball teaser. A two-teamer that pays +100.
The effective odds for each leg of such a teaser is -241 which implies a win rate of 70.72%.

As such the teaser can only be a better play that a straight bet (on the base spread at -110) if you calculate that the likelihood of of the game finishing within the 4pt range you teased is more than 18.34% (i.e. 70.72-52.38).

Agree so far?

[warriorfan707]

OK to keep it simple, let's talk in terms of a regular 4 point basketball teaser. A two-teamer that pays +100.
The effective odds for each leg of such a teaser is -241 which implies a win rate of 70.72%.

As such the teaser can only be a better play that a straight bet (on the base spread at -110) if you calculate that the likelihood of of the game finishing within the 4pt range you teased is more than 18.34% (i.e. 70.72-52.38).

Agree so far?

Couple problems here. I dont bet 4 point tsrs and we werent even talking about 4 point teasers. We were talking about buying half-points.

But yes so far I see what you are saying and it appears solid.