[trevlyn1983]

"Dream Team"

[Preston09]

That was just bad!

[freakydave]

Steve Mcnair is the best that I can remember .

Warren Moon

[McBa1n]

I am a HUGE Vince Young supporter, so I'll eat some crow. The guy, though, is a winner.
His record is incredible for a now 'journeyman' QB. He made a lot of really nice throws tonight - be it tipped and picked or dropped or completed. He had his fair share of stinkers. In fact, that's about as bad of a game as I've seen him play since he became pro.
Fact is, that team has quit. Desean just wants money. Riley Cooper probably doesn't even make the roster of over 1/2 the teams in the NFL. Philly has NOTHING that is even serviceable at linebacker. Philly is just, frankly, bad.

I think it's on the coach. They played a Giant team that was fighting hard (for a change) and beat them and beat them pretty good with Vince starting at QB.
I dunno what Philly's problem is. Vince is not responsible for all the points scored tonight. You see that first Lynch TD? LOTS of guys could've tackled him but didn't. They quit. Most plays, you saw Philly giving up on the play. It was a disgrace to the NFL, if you asked me. There is 0 reason they should've lost the game, but they did - oh man, did they.

I can't put it ALL on Vince, but he was not good tonight. I think if he can get his feet planted somewhere, he can win again. He's not like Tebow. This guy can put the team on his back and has done it many times in his career. He did, however, have a shitty night and there's no defending that, but grading a player on 1 game is f'n dumb. This isn't ESPN. It's a sportsbook forums. You put that information in your cap and you go with it. The thing that makes the NFL beatable is the ESPN week to week mentality.

You can't judge any career over 1 game or a small set of games (ala Tebow). Look at Brett Favre, per example. He gave away TONS of games, yet he's one of the best ever to play the position. I'm not trying to defend the turd that Vince Young put up tonight so much as I'm saying, you can't go crazy over 1 game. If he continues to fail, then it's easy to file him into the 'Jake Delhomme' category of winners that lost their shit.

[McBa1n]

With a title like the one you posted, I think I'd want to either refraim from further posting or change my name. Vince Young a winner? Get a life man. Maybe in college but this isn't college, it's the pros and I've yet to see a black quarterback have continued success in this league, at this level, let alone successs at this level at all. As far as I'm concerned, black quarterbacks cannot handle the qb position at this level in the NFL and we've seen enough examples throughout the years. Listen, the bottom line is they simply cannot lead at this level and there's no two ways about it!!!

Dear Scully. You, sir, should be incinerated for your opinion.
Lets think about how many white QBs that fail vs black QBs.
I don't hear you chiming in about your retorts about how Ryan Leaf is a winner... Or Sean Salisbury... Or Lynn Dickey.. Or Tyler Palko (to get recent).

What's with the race hate? Seriously? Why? I would like to know why black people are so inferior. I would like to find out. I would like to know why blacks can't play the QB position. I want to know why Kelly Clements hasn't won a superbowl, yet. I would LOVE to hear why, in a league dominated by blacks, there are only a small handfull of Head Coaches, owners, front office people or QBs that are black. I want to know why they are so inferior. Blacks seem to dominate every other position, so why not QB? Why are there so few? Why is Matt Moore not getting the scrutiny (to be fair, he's really had a good year)? Where's the Colt McCoy thread? Why isn't Colt McCoy some loser that proves the 'white' race can't win? He was highly touted coming out. What about Jimmy Claussen? Is it o.k. if he fails, but Joe Webb lingers on the bench behind a white person (the same Joe Webb that won a CRITICAL game for Min IN Philly)?

Is that ok?
I'm wondering what the line is.
Is it ok when white people can't block but when black people fail to block? Do we pass out over our bibles and ? What difference is it? Do black QBs have poop that smells funny? Are they mortal? Do white QBs EVER stink?

I want to know the answers. There's so much hate and racism on these forums, it's sad. It's pathetic. Humankind is de-evolving. I just want to know why blacks can't do it. Why can't they?
There's ALL kinds of talk about black QBs on these forums and no one can say "WHY". We need more depth to your arguments. Why are they held to a different standard than white QBs? Why does a race fail when 1 guy loses 1 game? Why?

Spell it out for me. I'm stupid. If you have an argument, then put it out there, if not, maybe you should think about why you are singling out a race based on 1 loss for 1 guy on a roster of 45 players. If not, you should probably shut the f up, sir.

[Ernie Mccracken]

I just want to know why blacks can't do it. Why can't they?
There's ALL kinds of talk about black QBs on these forums and no one can say "WHY". We need more depth to your arguments. Why are they held to a different standard than white QBs? Why does a race fail when 1 guy loses 1 game? Why?

Spell it out for me. I'm stupid. If you have an argument, then put it out there, if not, maybe you should think about why you are singling out a race based on 1 loss for 1 guy on a roster of 45 players. If not, you should probably shut the f up, sir.

We can't talk about black qb's, crime statistics, education, teenage birthrates, nothing. Anyone who cites differences between races (biological or cultural) is just pushing racist propaganda, right? We're all 100% the same, except white people are bad and can't jump or run fast. Isn't that how this conversation goes?

You know damn well why the black qb stereotype persists. It's what everyone is thinking, but no one is allowed to say. Want me to spell it out? Playing qb at the highest level in the NFL seems to require a baseline level of mental acuity that we have yet to see in a black player. Vince Young scored a 6 on the wonderlic, indicating that he probably reads and writes at an elementary school level. Obviously, race is not a determinate of intelligence, but there is a very real statistical correlation no matter how you try to measure it. I KNOW! THAT'S WASIS!



For reference:
Class IQ
Profound mental retardation Below 20
Severe mental retardation 20–34
Moderate mental retardation 35–49
Mild mental retardation 50–69
Borderline intellectual functioning 70–84

[SASH]

VY is a winner. I do like the guy. Theres nothing he can do if his team, especially his receivers, quit around him. His receivers arent running their proper routes and making sharp cuts, theyre not going full speed, getting alligator arms, etc.... Basically, the team has phoned it in. You cant blame VY here

[GunShard]

That last interception throw by Young was terrible.

[balls2wall]

That last interception throw by Young was terrible.

I didn't see that one. I was zzzzzz by then. However, I did see the first one and it was pretty sweet. Can't blame the first one on anyone but vince.

[TexansFan]

Quit blaming the receivers for everything. If you watched the game you could see him throwing off his back foot and the ball not even getting near his receivers. This run first, pass second crap doesn't work long term in the NFL.

[balls2wall]

I still don't understand all of the vince supporters. Being a Titans fan I got to hear them on the radio way too much and the conclusion I have come to is that most of them are black. I don't know why because someone is black you have to take up for them (OJ syndrome) or vote for them or whatever.

anyway

I have said it before in other threads. Vince does not have a winning record versus above .500 teams. The W/L record that everyone keeps pointing to was amassed vs. sub .500 teams.

I see some saying well, yeah but Desean isn't doing this and Riley Cooper that. That is all fine and well, but you can't say that on one hand and not acknowledge the fact that his wins came because he played on a team with a good defense that kept them in games and covered his mistakes versus these bad teams. If he gets all the credit for the wins vs. bad teams that his defense had as much or more to do with then he gets all the credit for when the Dream Team loses and is afraid to catch a ball over the middle or whatever. Tim Tebow is doing the exact same thing right now. Both of their W/L records are hollow.


I will admit that I do not like vince. As with all of my teams players and coaches, I gave him the benefit of the doubt when he was signed as the Titan's QB. However, after watching him not apply himself in the film room etc... and acting like an 11 year old spoiled brat for several years I got to the point where I just don't like him.


Vince could be a good NFL QB if he applied himself. He has the physical tools. I don't think he has the work ethic or the mental ability to come anywhere close to living up to his full potential though.

[icancount2one]

Look, even after Vince's last stinker, he has a great career W-L record.

The way he carried his team to a national championship in college and had success winning football games in the NFL despite everyone hating on him makes me think he's the kind of guy I'd want on my football team.

Like others have said, there's 21 other guys starting for the Eagles, and a lot of them quit last night. Having a good defense REALLY helps win football games.

And you all keep quoting my original post without realizing this whole thing was a Tebow joke.

[Mr Handicapable]

We can't talk about black qb's, crime statistics, education, teenage birthrates, nothing. Anyone who cites differences between races (biological or cultural) is just pushing racist propaganda, right? We're all 100% the same, except white people are bad and can't jump or run fast. Isn't that how this conversation goes?

You know damn well why the black qb stereotype persists. It's what everyone is thinking, but no one is allowed to say. Want me to spell it out? Playing qb at the highest level in the NFL seems to require a baseline level of mental acuity that we have yet to see in a black player. Vince Young scored a 6 on the wonderlic, indicating that he probably reads and writes at an elementary school level. Obviously, race is not a determinate of intelligence, but there is a very real statistical correlation no matter how you try to measure it. I KNOW! THAT'S WASIS!



For reference:
Class IQ
Profound mental retardation Below 20
Severe mental retardation 20–34
Moderate mental retardation 35–49
Mild mental retardation 50–69
Borderline intellectual functioning 70–84

ABSOLUTELY FALSE & STUPID CHART I deal with Indians (Gandhi type) everyday and I've NEVER talked to one half as stupid as the white hilljacks at a Nascar race or your local Walmart for that matter.

[Scully]

Dear Scully. You, sir, should be incinerated for your opinion.
Lets think about how many white QBs that fail vs black QBs.
I don't hear you chiming in about your retorts about how Ryan Leaf is a winner... Or Sean Salisbury... Or Lynn Dickey.. Or Tyler Palko (to get recent).

What's with the race hate? Seriously? Why? I would like to know why black people are so inferior. I would like to find out. I would like to know why blacks can't play the QB position. I want to know why Kelly Clements hasn't won a superbowl, yet. I would LOVE to hear why, in a league dominated by blacks, there are only a small handfull of Head Coaches, owners, front office people or QBs that are black. I want to know why they are so inferior. Blacks seem to dominate every other position, so why not QB? Why are there so few? Why is Matt Moore not getting the scrutiny (to be fair, he's really had a good year)? Where's the Colt McCoy thread? Why isn't Colt McCoy some loser that proves the 'white' race can't win? He was highly touted coming out. What about Jimmy Claussen? Is it o.k. if he fails, but Joe Webb lingers on the bench behind a white person (the same Joe Webb that won a CRITICAL game for Min IN Philly)?

Is that ok?
I'm wondering what the line is.
Is it ok when white people can't block but when black people fail to block? Do we pass out over our bibles and ? What difference is it? Do black QBs have poop that smells funny? Are they mortal? Do white QBs EVER stink?

I want to know the answers. There's so much hate and racism on these forums, it's sad. It's pathetic. Humankind is de-evolving. I just want to know why blacks can't do it. Why can't they?
There's ALL kinds of talk about black QBs on these forums and no one can say "WHY". We need more depth to your arguments. Why are they held to a different standard than white QBs? Why does a race fail when 1 guy loses 1 game? Why?

Spell it out for me. I'm stupid. If you have an argument, then put it out there, if not, maybe you should think about why you are singling out a race based on 1 loss for 1 guy on a roster of 45 players. If not, you should probably shut the f up, sir.

You McBain are a complete jerk for even attempting to post such a ridiculous and stupid thread above. Maybe it displays your true identity or maybe your lack of intelligence but either way, you are a jerk! Normally I don't even bother responding to such immature criticism regarding my posts but I decided to attempt to set you back where you truly belong, even though I debated the effort. First of all, I will be the first person to fully admit that there are plenty of white quarterbacks who haven't got what it takes to make it as a successful quarterback in this league called the NFL. In fact I recall many times and I'll still say it again right here and now that Trent Dilfer and Kerry Collins were and are the worst two qb's, both white, to ever quarterback a Super Bowl. I'll also go on record as saying the Chargers Philip Rivers is the most overrated qb in this league today. That's for starters. As for mentioning the white qb's you listed in your childish post above, it doesn't take a scholar to understand that there are more white qb's who come out of college ranks and make it to the NFL as quarterbacks than blacks, at least that's what I would tend to believe. By the same token there are more black receivers, successful, that come out of college ranks and make it to the NFL than there are whites. When I wrote the post, I knew full well there would be criticism, racism as the main arguement, and hey, I couldn't care less about bickering back and forth all day with an immature person who fails to understand the reasoning behind another person's thread, like your's for example. The bottom line is quite simply that the quarterback position is the one that requires the leadership on offense, the one who controls and takes charge of the offense in this sport and I don't believe black qb's have the necessary qualities to lead and take charge at this position in this league or at this level. That's my opinion and I really couldn't give a lick whether or not immature nuts like you agree or not. Furthermore I'm sick and tired of this b.s. racial business that people use as an immediate excuse the minute someone states the obvious or the plain bleepin' truth or lets just say a plain fact. So you and the rest of the people that tend to post your whining threads about racial criticism, etc., the moment someone mentions the failure of a black athlete can take your b.s. posts and store them where your body realeases your digestive nourishment!

[Mr Handicapable]

The bottom line is quite simply that the quarterback position is the one that requires the leadership on offense, the one who controls and takes charge of the offense in this sport and I don't believe black qb's have the necessary qualities to lead and take charge at this position in this league or at this level.


I guess you never saw Warren Moon play then? He made 9 Pro Bowls and didn't even make the NFL til he was 28 because of racist bull$hit stereotypes like yours. Hopefully you'll learn that blanket statements on race are pretty stupid! I think Robert Griffin III is going to shake things up too....a taller right handed Mike Vick.

[vipelle]

Vince was a good college player. Thats it.

[dlunc3]

32-19

[balls2wall]

32-19

you are correct, vince has produced a nice looking record versus sub .500 teams


he has a losing record vs teams over .500


good luck with your mentally challenged qb


he currently has what, 4 tds on the year vs 9 ints and a 60ish qb rating


how many of those Ws have come at Philly? How's that working out for ya?


Nice Dream Team y'all have going there in Philly. Keep up the good work

[balls2wall]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/7...total-suggests

Kevin Kolb to Arizona, Matt Hasselbeck to Tennessee, Kyle Orton possibly being traded.
Quarterbacks are valuable assets in the NFL, and it seems any player who has had even mild success is having huge money being offered to them.
Interestingly, Vince Young, who many feel is a good quarterback, hasn't received a lot of attention from teams, and even with his release today I don't expect that to change. The best he can hope for is a backup role, maybe in Philadelphia.
This may seem surprising to many, but it shouldn't be. Young is immature, lazy and has a low football IQ. He is also inaccurate with his pass and is completely inefficient in the passing game.
The Vince Young lovers will crow that Vince just wins; he has a 30-17 record as a NFL starter.
I don't care—those 30 wins never amounted to anything. The Titans went to the playoffs twice in the Vince Young era, in 2007 and 2008. That's right, twice in five years.
The best year the Titans had during Young's time in Tennessee came in 2008, when the Titans went 13-3 and were the No. 1 seed in the playoffs. Young only played half a game that season.
The great quarterback who led the Titans to the playoffs? Kerry Collins.
The Titans won with defense and the run game when Young played. VY had Travis Henry, LenDale White and Chris Johnson in the backfield with him during his career; each rushed for 1,000 yards at one point during his tenure.
In fact, Young has always had an 1,000-yard rusher. The Titans have always won on the ground.
Yes, Young had some comebacks during his career, but very rarely did he win games by doing his job efficiently and scoring touchdowns. He always played well enough to not lose, and he let the run game and the defense do their jobs.
In fact, I would say Young directly contributed to a Titans loss just as many times as he directly won a game for Tennessee.
Then you have the immaturity—the bar fight, the hissy fit after the Redskins game, the time he disappeared after he was booed during a game against the Jaguars. He has no common sense, coming across as entitled and not too bright. How else do you explain the fact that he never learned the playbook well enough to call audibles?
It's either that or laziness—yes, he is very lazy.
Young didn't study game plans and never went out of his way to improve his flaws. He had a nice deep ball, but his short and intermediate passes never impressed, and it didn't seem to bother him. He never stressed how much he needed to improve in that area.
Mostly though Young's problem was that he never stepped up. He never became a leader or established himself as the best option for the Titans to win. He just never got it.
Maybe the talent is there and he just needs the right situation, but I don't see it—apparently neither do any NFL coaches or GM's at the moment.

[Boxer300]

The bottom line is quite simply that the quarterback position is the one that requires the leadership on offense, the one who controls and takes charge of the offense in this sport and I don't believe black qb's have the necessary qualities to lead and take charge at this position in this league or at this level.


I guess you never saw Warren Moon play then? He made 9 Pro Bowls and didn't even make the NFL til he was 28 because of racist bull$hit stereotypes like yours. Hopefully you'll learn that blanket statements on race are pretty stupid! I think Robert Griffin III is going to shake things up too....a taller right handed Mike Vick.

Warren Moon was a great QB. There is always an exception to the rule, but if you are comparing successful white QBs to black QBs you have are fighting a losing battle. Blacks are better than whites overall at other positions but QB isn't one of them.

[kfranz31]

this is not college

[Mr Handicapable]

Warren Moon was a great QB. There is always an exception to the rule, but if you are comparing successful white QBs to black QBs you have are fighting a losing battle. Blacks are better than whites overall at other positions but QB isn't one of them.

My point is that since Vince Young is a dummy and JaMarshmellow Russell was a lazy idiot doesn't mean every black QB should be labeled that way. Cam Newton will be a monster with more experience & talent around him. Robert Griffin III will shock some people in the NFL as well. Drew Brees grew up as a coaches kid and always played QB. Peyton Manning grew up playing QB.....most black kids were probably playing a different position where their white coach (like you) stuck them and didn't grow up as a QB and getting that chance to lead.

[upscope]

32-19

What exactly does this mean?? Does this make him a good QB?? Win loss records are very important but they also can be deceiving for alot of different reasons.
However strict stats & facts are less likely to be decieving. Like for example it's probably not very decieving if a QB has thrown for 46 TD's to go along w/ 51 interceptions in his career?? That's not deception that's an example of an inaccurate & careless passer. I don't know too many QB's that are considered "good" that have thrown more int's than TD's in their career's??
How bout a 74.4 career QB rating?? Probably not much deception built into that number. It's probably more likely that whoever owns a 74.4 career QB rating is just simply not very good compared to their peers??
How bout a career 57.9 completion %?? How do you deceive that number?? You don't....that's another example of a poor QB.

I give Vince Young credit for winning games but the stats don't lie. Vince Young is simply not a very good NFL QB IMO.

[icancount2one]

This is how stupid all you Tebow-wanking jacka$$es sound.

You guys all got trolled. I just said the same stupid things about Vince Young that everyone says about Tim Tebow. Go to the original post and highlight the bottom of it. I colored the last line white, and figured at least one person who got fired up and wanted to write a rebuttal would see it when they pressed the "quote" button.

The point is if you put Young on Denver, he'd probably look as good or better than Timmy does right now. If you put Tebow on the Eagles, in Mornhinweg's bizarre system, they'd still be a whopping failure. Neither are very good QBs in the NFL.

But man, the racists and weirdos really come out when you say something good about a black QB or coach.

[balls2wall]

You guys all got trolled. I just said the same stupid things about Vince Young that everyone says about Tim Tebow. Go to the original post and highlight the bottom of it. I colored the last line white, and figured at least one person who got fired up and wanted to write a rebuttal would see it when they pressed the "quote" button.

The point is if you put Young on Denver, he'd probably look as good or better than Timmy does right now. If you put Tebow on the Eagles, in Mornhinweg's bizarre system, they'd still be a whopping failure. Neither are very good QBs in the NFL.

But man, the racists and weirdos really come out when you say something good about a black QB or coach.

wow, funny man. You got everyone

how lame

yeah, people always look for white text on a white background, moron

With that being said, I agree with you that Tebow sucks too, which I already stated in this thread.

As far the "racists really coming out," I think it was just one guy so they were not coming out of the woodwork like you make it sound. Wtf can you do? It's the internet. You knew it was coming...

[icancount2one]

wow, funny man. You got everyone

how lame

yeah, people always look for white text on a white background, moron

With that being said, I agree with you that Tebow sucks too, which I already stated in this thread.

As far the "racists really coming out," I think it was just one guy so they were not coming out of the woodwork like you make it sound. Wtf can you do? It's the internet. You knew it was coming...

A bunch of people pushed the quote button, and should have seen it in regular black and white at the top of the box where they start typing.

If your team drafted a black guy who could run, but not throw, and then started running a fukking college option offense, 90% of the fans would shi't bricks. When it's a white dude "he'll develop and get better". When it's a black dude "you know he's going to be injured four games a year and it's a passing league."

[Jerm3462]

at thread title

[balls2wall]

A bunch of people pushed the quote button, and should have seen it in regular black and white at the top of the box where they start typing.

If your team drafted a black guy who could run, but not throw, and then started running a fukking college option offense, 90% of the fans would shi't bricks. When it's a white dude "he'll develop and get better". When it's a black dude "you know he's going to be injured four games a year and it's a passing league."

That's cool man. I was a little upset last night because I was tired and wasted an hour of my time on this thread the past week only to find out it was a joke or a social experiment.

When most people click the quote button they have already read what they are quoting so they are not going to pay attention to anything like that. I don't recall if I quoted you or not, don't really care.

I among many others have been in the Tebow threads saying he never will be a good NFL qb. As I said, I even mentioned it in this thread. It also looks like you didn't get an overwhelming response of people "shitting bricks" over Vince in this thread like you expected. There was me and a few others. I would say the response against Tebow on these forums has been much greater. Gator and Bronco fans support Tebow and Longhorn and Eagles fans support Vince. 90% of the people outside of those groups see them for what they are and realize their shortcomings.

I would argue that your type is the opposite side of the coin. Just like the people I was speaking of on the radio supporting Vince in Titan's country when he was here. Every time he was criticized in the least the black people would jam the phone lines saying the media and everyone else was out to get Vince because he is black. No one could ever say anything critical at all or they were labeled racist by these knuckleheads.

There is racism everywhere. Whites, Blacks, Hispanics or any group all have a small percentage of their group that are racist against other groups. That will never change. Fortunately, not every white person in the world is racist as some people would like to believe.

I believe 90% or so of every race in this country judge people for their character. There is the other 10% or so of every race that are ignorant and full of hate.

Anyway, I have spent more of my time on this thread this morning when I need to be capping NFL games.

Hopefully this is my last post in this thread. I may type a few words in response if needed, but I have spent more time than I should here only to find out it was not what it was initially presented as.

[GChild]

So is Stuart smally