Keep in mind....A 1st round pick for the Raiders is on everyone elses board as a 5th rounder anyway. Why not gamble for Palmer?
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10-18-11 12:10 PM #71
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10-18-11 12:11 PM #72
1st - No Pick (Palmer)
2nd - No Pick (Trade with NE)
3rd - No Pick (Pryor)
4th - No Pick (Campbell)
5th - OMG, A PICK!!!
6th - OMGZ ANOTHER ONE!!!
7th - No Pick (Curry)
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10-18-11 12:12 PM #73
Somebody that runs a 4.25 but can't actually play football won't go in the 1st round of the NFL draft now....thats a big hit to track-n-field athletes everywhere!
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10-18-11 12:15 PM #74
i guess we'll just have to wait and see how this pans out.... superbowl or bust!
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10-18-11 12:15 PM #75
Originally Posted by letsgo
that sure looks horrible.
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10-18-11 12:18 PM #76
Should have just traded back for Gradkowski for a lot cheaper they'd win the same amount of games.
Losers stay losers for a reason.
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10-18-11 12:19 PM #77
Originally Posted by JAKEPEAVY21
comparing Rivers to palmer? You just lost all credibility there.
actually, they are very much comparable.
since joining the league in 2004:
palmer 2024/3217 (63%) 22,694 yds 154 tds 86.9 rating
rivers 1689/2641 (64%) 21,197 yds 142 td 96.5 qb rating
palmer is a 2 time pro bowler, rivers is 3 times.
palmer led his team to a division title, so did rivers.
palmer has 3 seasons of 3970 passing yds or more, so does rivers.
orton? not so much.
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10-18-11 12:24 PM #78
the more i think about this move the more i like it...
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10-18-11 12:25 PM #79
Not official yet, but if it happens this would be the worst NFL trade since that moron Ditka gave up an entire draft for Herschel Walker. Al Davis must be rolling over in his urn.
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10-18-11 12:27 PM #80
Two first round picks for Palmer is tough to swallow.
Maybe this year's first rounder is reasonable but I would not have gave them next years as well.
Oakland is gambling big time.
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10-18-11 12:27 PM #81
how can you compare this to the herschel walker deal?
- Dallas Cowboys received
- LB Jesse Solomon
- LB David Howard
- CB Issiac Holt
- RB Darrin Nelson (traded to San Diego after he refused to report to Dallas)
- DE Alex Stewart
- Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1990 (21) (traded this pick along with pick (81) for pick (17) from Pittsburgh to draft Emmitt Smith)
- Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1990 (47) (Alexander Wright)
- Minnesota's 6th round pick in 1990 (158) (traded to New Orleans, who drafted James Williams)
- Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1991 (conditional) - (12) (Alvin Harper)
- Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1991 (conditional) - (38) (Dixon Edwards)
- Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1992 (conditional) - (37) (Darren Woodson)
- Minnesota's 3rd round pick in 1992 (conditional) - (71) (traded to New England, who drafted Kevin Turner)
- Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1993 (conditional) - (13) (traded to Philadelphia Eagles, and then to the Houston Oilers, who drafted Brad Hopkins)[1]
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10-18-11 12:32 PM #82
he's only playing for the 6 weeks Campbell will be out.
relax guys he's just pluggin' the hole. no big deal.
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10-18-11 12:33 PM #83
bingo. since 2001, only 2 out of 12 1st rounders have lived up to their lofty selection. Originally Posted by Mr Handicapable
2001 derrick gibson
2002 phillip buchanon, napoleon harris
2003 nnamdi asoumugha, tyler brayton
2004 robert gallery
2005 fabian washington
2006 michael huff
2007 jamarcus russell
2008 darren mcfadden
2009 darrius heyward-bey
2010 rolando mcclain
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10-18-11 12:38 PM #84
Originally Posted by Snowball
Yeah.. giving two first round draft picks to plug a hole for 6 weeks?
I'm not sure if I would be able to sacrifice that much unless I'm getting a Superbowl Ring.
Raiders primarily a run it down your throat team so all they need to hold it together for 6 weeks is a QB that can manage the game. Carson is that person but I feel there are some other qb's out there that wouldn't jeopardize the Raider's future. Oakland has a very good young team right now.
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10-18-11 12:38 PM #85
Just because the Raiders haven't drafted well it doesn't mean they should trade away all their picks.
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10-18-11 12:46 PM #86
Originally Posted by letsgo
Agreed... This feel like the same thing Cowboys did for Roy Williams when they thought they needed help at the receiver position.
We know where that got them.
If Palmer can come in and become a pro-bowler and take Oakland deep into the playoff than maybe this deal is worth it. However, that is a big IF.
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10-18-11 12:48 PM #87
The Raiders are out of their freaking mind dealing 2 picks for Palmer. Holy crap Cinci robbed Oakland and then they went to work on them. Jeeeesus. I know the Raiders didn't have any real picks to deal this year other than their #1. I can see them reaching with that #1 pick and that would be that. But a #2/that can become a #1 (reportedly), also?
WOW.
I hope Cinci at least gives Oakland a reach around after that deal. JEEESH.
Palmer was on track to be elite until Von Olhoffen took out his knee (Cinci likely would've in the Superbowl that year had that not happened). Guy hasn't been the same since at all. I wouldn't give up a first rounder for him even if my only other option was Rex Grossman. It's a shame, he's in the prime of his career and he's been deteriorating and you can see it in his play week in/week out. Maybe the extra time off has got him to get back to work. I still think he's a damn fine starter and deservedly so, but 2 day 1 draft picks good? Hmm - hellz no.
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10-18-11 12:52 PM #88
Originally Posted by letsgo
why not? they know they suck at it so why not take another team's great selection.
raiders are even more pathetic when it comes to drafting quarterbacks. haven't drafted a good one since 1968.
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10-18-11 01:03 PM #89
huff and mcclain aint bad and heyward-bey is finally showing some potential. im sure every team in the nfl has failed more than a few times with the first round picks in the past 10 years. Originally Posted by crustyme
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10-18-11 01:20 PM #90
Rivers didn't start playing until 2006 so right off the bat your argument is weak.
Originally Posted by crustyme
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10-18-11 01:26 PM #91
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10-18-11 01:28 PM #92
Gerrard wasn't an option as he is having back surgery and his season is done. Originally Posted by VegasInsider
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10-18-11 01:29 PM #93
its only 1 first rounder and a 2nd rounder
the 2nd rounder becomes a first rounder if they win a playoff game
but either way, thats a nutty deal
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10-18-11 01:31 PM #94
I personally feel that may still be to much for Palmer. Originally Posted by jsmithj88
1 first round pick at the very most....
Oakland must be feeling really good about their team to think that Palmer is the missing piece of the puzzle.
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10-18-11 01:53 PM #95
did he really set the wheels of this deal in motion?? Originally Posted by VegasInsider
al davis is crazy, not stupid. i highly doubt it. his "master plan" was get a really strong QB who can rush the ball well and that has a gigantic arm. Fukk accuracy and decision-making prowess.
this does not seem like it fits into his plan at all and that is way too much to trade for palmer. guy has no more skills and no loyalty.
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10-18-11 02:01 PM #96
It sounds like the coach Jackson must of really pushed for this since he was the receivers coach in Cincy from 2004-2006. He must remember Palmer from those years. Any player who is actually worth 2 1st round draft picks isn't going to get traded. It seems like teams would remember how these trades almost never work out for the team giving up the picks.
If some how the Raiders made the AFC title game but Palmer threw 4 picks in it and destroyed Oakland's chances would it be worth it? I don't see it happening but I wonder what Raider fans think.
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10-18-11 02:01 PM #97
Are you joking? Palmer has 2 more seasons than rivers, carson has 35 more interceptions than rivers. They are not even close to comparable. Originally Posted by crustyme
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10-18-11 02:08 PM #98
Anyone know if this is a confirmed deal?
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10-18-11 02:10 PM #99
Its a win win for both teams
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10-18-11 02:13 PM #100
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10-18-11 02:14 PM #101
Anytime you give up 2 1st or even a 1st and 2nd for an ok QB on the downside of his career it is not a win. Originally Posted by Tech N9ne
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10-18-11 02:15 PM #102
Originally Posted by Tech N9ne
Cincy it is definitely a huge win since they were not getting much of anything from Palmer anyway.
Oakland.. any improvement over what they have available at QB is a win... but sacrificing two top tier picks may come back to haunt them.
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10-18-11 02:17 PM #103
let's hope palmer turns out like plunkett... 1st overall pick everyone was down on.
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10-18-11 02:21 PM #104
when was the last time the Raiders made a good 1st round pick?
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10-18-11 02:22 PM #105
mcfadden and mcclain were solid pick ups Originally Posted by eidolon
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