1. 09-21-11 06:53 PM #1
    Justin7
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    Sharp trivia question...

    In what situation is betting an MLB moneyline "action" almost always have a higher EV than betting that same game with listed pitchers?
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  2. 09-21-11 06:57 PM #2
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    first game of a doubleheader?
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  3. 09-21-11 08:53 PM #3
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    When the pitcher for the opposing team is the best pitcher on staff, or the pitcher on the bet side is the worst starter on staff.
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  4. 09-21-11 08:57 PM #4
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    no idea, second game of doubleheader?
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  5. 09-21-11 08:58 PM #5
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    When the team you are on has the bullpen edge that day...
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  6. 09-21-11 09:10 PM #6
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    When betting on a team with a guy making his MLB debut.

    Not every rookie is strasburg
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  7. 09-21-11 09:16 PM #7
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    when brock bets listed
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  8. 09-21-11 09:29 PM #8
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    When said pitchers had corn flakes for breakfast?
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  9. 09-21-11 09:31 PM #9
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    Never. At least with the "action" rules at the books I play at.
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  10. 09-21-11 09:41 PM #10
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    Quote Originally Posted by benjy View Post
    Never. At least with the "action" rules at the books I play at.
    Think in terms of freeplays...
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  11. 09-21-11 09:44 PM #11
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    I guess it would have to do with betting against a pitching ace when there's a double header.
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  12. 09-21-11 09:47 PM #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin7 View Post
    Think in terms of freeplays...
    where your freeplay would lose if your bet is cancelled?
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  13. 09-21-11 09:59 PM #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaabee View Post
    where your freeplay would lose if your bet is cancelled?
    This has to be the a correct answer, but does any book really grade a freeplay as a loss if the game is no actioned?

    It would also be true if you are using a parlay+hedge strategy to maximize FP value.

    Assuming the book adjusts odds, which all do as far as I know, the only other possibility is if it is right before game time where there is no possibility of a new line coming out. If there is a rain delay, there is a slight chance of a starting pitcher change. In which case, the against the best/on the worst answer is also correct.
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  14. 09-21-11 11:53 PM #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThaddeusB View Post
    This has to be the a correct answer, but does any book really grade a freeplay as a loss if the game is no actioned?

    It would also be true if you are using a parlay+hedge strategy to maximize FP value.

    Assuming the book adjusts odds, which all do as far as I know, the only other possibility is if it is right before game time where there is no possibility of a new line coming out. If there is a rain delay, there is a slight chance of a starting pitcher change. In which case, the against the best/on the worst answer is also correct.
    bookmaker does

    so do not ever bet listed with any wager when using FP's

    make sure it is not going to rain or better yet use a game played inside
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  15. 09-22-11 07:40 PM #15
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    And the answer is....
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  16. 09-22-11 07:58 PM #16
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    when your pitcher is a lot shittier than the opposition
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  17. 09-22-11 08:50 PM #17
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    pitchers debut vs an ace when lines arent adjusted if pitchers change.
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  18. 09-22-11 09:22 PM #18
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    When scalping betting action on both sides is far better than listed pitchers because you'll never have your scalp canceled.
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  19. 09-22-11 09:25 PM #19
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    When the better of the two pitchers is listed as "questionable." Trick question.
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  20. 09-22-11 10:01 PM #20
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    when intentionally trying to lose with a better pitcher than the opposition?
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  21. 09-23-11 12:18 AM #21
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    when cliff lee's about to be traded to the rangers?
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  22. 09-23-11 12:19 AM #22
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    edit: thought better of it
    Last edited by Gee; 09-23-11 at 12:25 AM.
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  23. 09-23-11 12:23 AM #23
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    Justin, what is the answer here?
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  24. 09-23-11 07:54 AM #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian View Post
    When scalping betting action on both sides is far better than listed pitchers because you'll never have your scalp canceled.
    But don't they adjust the lines once a new pitcher is installed, and pay out according to the new lines? And, in all probability, your scalp will now lose money instead of coming out even. This is the reason that I have always used listed pitchers in my scalps.
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  25. 09-23-11 08:04 AM #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by BranchDavidian View Post
    But don't they adjust the lines once a new pitcher is installed, and pay out according to the new lines? And, in all probability, your scalp will now lose money instead of coming out even. This is the reason that I have always used listed pitchers in my scalps.
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    when intentionally trying to lose with a better pitcher than the opposition?

    I think thats why you want it to be 1 of your better pitchers, that is the "worst" line you could get and if they change pitchers, you would only be looking at more of a profit since your play would become a bigger underdog when substituting a worse pitcher

    Same is true if opposition has 1 of their worst pitchers "listed"
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  26. 09-23-11 08:24 AM #26
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    Always use action for freeplays
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  27. 09-23-11 11:12 AM #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by BranchDavidian View Post
    But don't they adjust the lines once a new pitcher is installed, and pay out according to the new lines? And, in all probability, your scalp will now lose money instead of coming out even. This is the reason that I have always used listed pitchers in my scalps.
    No, that's the whole point of betting action. If you bet action you get the number you bet no matter what. If you bet "listed pitchers" the bet gets canceled if one of the starting pitchers is scratched.
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  28. 09-23-11 11:17 AM #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian View Post
    No, that's the whole point of betting action. If you bet action you get the number you bet no matter what. If you bet "listed pitchers" the bet gets canceled if one of the starting pitchers is scratched.
    no, if you bet action you get the opening line of the new pitcher
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  29. 09-23-11 06:19 PM #29
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    So Justin you just going to leave us hanging on this one?
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