[lakerboy]

landers and brahma on the bears. saints all in????

[lakerboy]

any thoughts on packers -10? seems really easy to me

[brahmabull117]

any thoughts on packers -10? seems really easy to me

this is a really unpredictable play for me. I want to say the packers blitz schemes should dominate Newton but he looked so good today and 10 points at home is a fukkload


I think we will have a better idea of how to bet with Carolina after this week so that's a no play for me

[BettingWizard]

landers and brahma on the bears. saints all in????

10 days off for the saints

[bobbyk1133]

I expect this season to be a repeat of the 2007 season with the patriots where the pats covered every spread the first half of the season and then the linemakers started making them 14 point favorites every game and then you were fcked But I will keep tailing them until the linemakers adjust. This is an awesome awesome team with the best secondary and defensive line in the league to go along with an offense that averaged 32 points per game when Vick started last year

I'm completely on board with this. I'll be taking PHI next week and I'd bet anyone up to 100 points that they cover vs ATL next week. The last time PHI made this kind of splash in free agency was when they went to the SB in 03' and started the year 7-0. Who cares if their O-line and LB corps is a work in progress? What team doesn't have holes right now (other than maybe GB)?

I don't think ATL's secondary is "horrible" and I think they are a LOT better than what they showed today, but I just don't see PHI losing anytime soon (as long as they are healthy).

[iifold]

landers and brahma on the bears. saints all in????

I think a lot of people don't realize how good the Saints played in GB...

[bobbyk1133]

any thoughts on packers -10? seems really easy to me

Already booked this. They coulda put this at -13.5 and I woulda played it.

[No coincidences]

Who cares if their O-line and LB corps is a work in progress?

Only the two most important units on the field.

[lakerboy]

I think a lot of people don't realize how good the Saints played in GB...

exactly- they fukked up on that one drive and had a chance to force an opportunity to tie the game. there defense should be much better this week

[No coincidences]

I think a lot of people don't realize how good the Saints played in GB...

Sharp post King.

Packers hit New Orleans with everything they had offensively and pressured Brees all night long, yet they had to be looking up near the end of the game when the Saints still had a chance to win and say "are you fvcking kidding me?" And we're talking about the champs at home here.

Saints beat the Bears by at least 10. At least.

[sneakerhead]

Aside from next week, what do you guys think about tomorrows games?

[brahmabull117]

I don't think ATL's secondary is "horrible"

Atlanta's defense last 8 games against good playoff teams with good QBs


Today against Chicago - 300 + yards passing, blowout loss
Game against Green bay in playoffs - 350+ yards passing, blowout loss
Game against Saints last year - 300+ yards passing, loss
Game against Green bay - 300 yards passing, just barely won
Game against the ravens - 215 yards passing 99 qb rating, just barely won (should have lost if not for a bs no call on an offensive pass interference by white)
Game against the Saints last year - 365 yards passing, barely won in overtime
Game against the Eagles - 326 years passing, blowout loss
Game against the steelers - 236 yards passing to a backup quarterback, loss


not only are they 3-5 in these games, they're basically averaging about 300 yards allowed

[bobbyk1133]

Only the two most important units on the field.

O-line yes, LB no way. I trust Howard Mudd to whip this line into shape sooner than later and they have more than enough firepower and talent across the board to compensate while they learn.

And I don't even think PHI's LBs are that bad...they are just overshadowed by the all-star D-line and secondary. I expect the LB unit to get better each week.

[brahmabull117]

Sharp post King.

Packers hit New Orleans with everything they had offensively and pressured Brees all night long, yet they had to be looking up near the end of the game when the Saints still had a chance to win and say "are you fvcking kidding me?" And we're talking about the champs at home here.

Saints beat the Bears by at least 10. At least.

and I'm glad how you are ignoring the 42 points given up on defense by the saints



I realize cutler is nowhere near as good as rodgers but the defense and special teams will keep the bears in the game like it always does. The bears rarely get blown out

[lakerboy]

Aside from next week, what do you guys think about tomorrows games?

i like the broncos but i dont understand why it wont go to 3,5.

[No coincidences]

O-line yes, LB no way. I trust Howard Mudd to whip this line into shape sooner than later and they have more than enough firepower and talent across the board to compensate while they learn.

And I don't even think PHI's LBs are that bad...they are just overshadowed by the all-star D-line and secondary. I expect the LB unit to get better each week.

I don't disagree that they'll keep getting better, but I wouldn't count on it to come in Week 2 at Atlanta.

[brahmabull117]

Only the two most important units on the field.

the offensive line didn't play bad this week at all, the sacks were mainly coverage sacks they give up and terrible blitz recognition by Vick. They will address that though once they watch the film

[bobbyk1133]

Atlanta's defense last 5 games against good playoff teams with good QBs

Those stats don't mean much. Think bigger picture. How was ATL's pass rush in all those games? Why did they spend so much on Edwards this offseason? You could have PHI's secondary, but it won't mean much without a pass rush and ATL hasn't had it.

A healthy Robinson and Grimes is a heck of a duo. I expect ATL's defense to improve a lot as long as they can get back healthy..

[iifold]

Atlanta is a solid team, but they do not match up with the Bears at all... You need to attack the Bears on both sides of the Ball, the Falcons are more of a methodical type team...

They will look much better vs. the Eagles...

I wouldn't bet on this game though, too much of a gamble... Atlanta could be down 4 points in the 4th, but Ryan could lead them on a 7 minute drive and close out the game with a TD and there is nothing Vick could do about it...

It's all about match ups people..

[No coincidences]

i like the broncos but i dont understand why it wont go to 3,5.

MONEYLINES at PINNACLE

09/03 16:06 +147 / -163
09/04 14:49 +150 / -166
09/05 23:39 +143 / -158
09/06 19:44 +140 / -155
09/09 00:34 +148 / -164
09/09 11:17 +144 / -160
09/09 23:12 +152 / -169
09/09 23:13 +149 / -165
09/11 01:39 +157 / -174
09/11 20:08 +162 / -180
09/11 21:21 +164 / -182

Broncos are currently -182 there and -165 at Sportsbook.

They win and cover. It's already moved 3 full points LB.

Roll the dice with the Dolphins if it gets to +7.5?

[brahmabull117]

Those stats don't mean much. Think bigger picture. How was ATL's pass rush in all those games? Why did they spend so much on Edwards this offseason? You could have PHI's secondary, but it won't mean much without a pass rush and ATL hasn't had it. A healthy Robinson and Grimes is a heck of a duo. I expect ATL's defense to improve a lot as long as they can get back healthy..

that's 8 games bro, that's not even a small sample size... I mean if Kolb can put up 31 points and 300+ yards, what can Vick do???


and they got pressure on cutler today, I think the bears got sacked 4 or 5 times and Cutler and the bears receivers still tore them a new azzhole because of terrible coverage and tackling by Atlanta

[bobbyk1133]

I don't disagree that they'll keep getting better, but I wouldn't count on it to come in Week 2 at Atlanta.

Jones has really opened up the offense for ATL so they will be a much better test for PHI than STL was, but I still don't think it will be enough to pull out a win. PHI smoked them last year and guess which team has gotten better since then?

[brahmabull117]

Atlanta is a solid team, but they do not match up with the Bears at all... You need to attack the Bears on both sides of the Ball, the Falcons are more of a methodical type team...

They will look much better vs. the Eagles...

I wouldn't bet on this game though, too much of a gamble... Atlanta could be down 4 points in the 4th, but Ryan could lead them on a 7 minute drive and close out the game with a TD and there is nothing Vick could do about it...

It's all about match ups people..

How do they match up better against Philly than Chicago??


The chicago offensive line and receivers are average to mediocre. You think they will get shredded by Jay Cutler but find a way to stop mike vick?? The bears offense was near last in the league last year and they got 30 points and 380 yards in this game... that's an offnight for Vick and the eagles



again I think the only way you could justify the possibility of an atlanta win is that Mike Turner will run for 200 yards by himself...which he very will could. I don't think this game is a lock, far from it... but I do believe the eagles win this matchup 2 out of 3 times and I will gladly play an even line

[bobbyk1133]

that's 8 games bro, that's not even a small sample size... I mean if Kolb can put up 31 points and 300+ yards, what can Vick do??? and they got pressure on cutler today, I think the bears got sacked 4 or 5 times and Cutler and the bears receivers still tore them a new azzhole because of terrible coverage and tackling by Atlanta

To be fair anyone can get pressure on Culter They defo shitz the bed against CHI and I had them on my card too. I think you can throw that game away and it isn't really indicative of anything. On paper they should be a lot better, but who knows? That's why they play the games. ATL defo need to prove last year wasn't a fluke.

[iifold]

It would take me a year to explain it to you Dwayne...

Lets start here...

Look up "Counter Puncher"..

Report back, Tell me what you learn...

[Cuse4tw]

going to hit again with the bills....keep sleeping on them boys

[brahmabull117]

It would take me a year to explain it to you Dwayne... Lets start here... Look up "Counter Puncher".. Report back, Tell me what you learn...

I'm waiting for you to explain how a team matches up better against the best offense in the league than the worst offense in the league (Philly vs Chicago)

[BernardMadoff]

You guys are funny. Someone will lose their shirt soon and it wont be me, gotta look beyond the obvious in every sport, especially the NFL.

[No coincidences]

It would take me a year to explain it to you Dwayne...

Lets start here...

Look up "Counter Puncher"..

Report back, Tell me what you learn...

Just ignore him.

He'll leave again when the NFL bankrupts him, which is an inevitability.

[chantrain]

falcons + 1 really??? After they gave up 30 points and 380 yards to a terrible chicago offense?? You realize 30 points and 380 yards is an off game for the eagles??? They might drop 50 in this game

The Bears are NOT a terrible offense. 2nd year in the Martz system does wonders, and in the pre season there have been numerous quotes from Cutler, Bennett and Forte about how determined they are for the offense to click this year and carry their load.

Mike vick has never beaten the Bears. Bears have Vicks number.

[brahmabull117]

You guys are funny. Someone will lose their shirt soon and it wont be me, gotta look beyond the obvious in every sport, especially the NFL.

how did this work out for you in the duke game??



or was the score 44-14 exactly like I told you it was gonna be???

[chantrain]

How do they match up better against Philly than Chicago??


The chicago offensive line and receivers are average to mediocre. You think they will get shredded by Jay Cutler but find a way to stop mike vick?? The bears offense was near last in the league last year and they got 30 points and 380 yards in this game... that's an offnight for Vick and the eagles

The Bears offensive numbers last year were misleading...special teams gave them favorable field position so often that the offense had less yards to gain.

The receivers in the Mike Martz offense do not need to be awesome, all they need is to know their routes in Martz' 9,000 page fuckin huge playbook. 2nd year in a Martz system makes the offense look a lot better.

Trust me, Bears offense will put up points this season. And Cutler will have a monster statistical year if the OL can keep him upright and give him time to throw

[lakerboy]

Just locked in the Saints at -7. $300 on -7 +105 and $300 on -7 +ev. Line will most likely not move much or go to -6,5 and then just before game time the saints will get hammered.

[brahmabull117]

The Bears offensive numbers last year were misleading...special teams gave them favorable field position so often that the offense had less yards to gain. The receivers in the Mike Martz offense do not need to be awesome, all they need is to know their routes in Martz' 9,000 page fuckin huge playbook. 2nd year in a Martz system makes the offense look a lot better. Trust me, Bears offense will put up points this season. And Cutler will have a monster statistical year if the OL can keep him upright and give him time to throw

I'm a huge huge bears fan brah, I was cheering up and down when they won today


but the fact remains that they were a terrible offensive team last year looking at all the numbers. Comparing the bears to eagles is like comparing a nissan 350Z to a ferrari

[chantrain]

all that's stopping them this season is the OL, trust me they'll get it together and the Bears will put up points this year. If this was a magic 8 ball it would read "prospects look good".