[kerrywoodwins20]

Better teams win.

Idiots can talk about how talented teams are, but if they go 7-9, they aren't good. Simple as that.

[yisman]

Yep, and the Eagles were better than the Bears too... yet, the Bears were up 3 scores in the 3rd quarter on the same Eagles....

Bears are a team that could go 19-0, winning by an average of 30, and still wouldn't make anyone's top 5. Just how it is in Chicago.

So you are saying that Cleveland was better than New England last year?

Otherwise, we can throw all your posts in this thread out the window.

[d2bets]

yisman, don't be ridiculous.

Fact is Bears won their division, went 11-5 and reached the NFC Champ. You want to argue NYJ was better, fine, that's an opinion not a fact. The body of works shows a pretty even resume overall. They were pretty similar teams really.

[kerrywoodwins20]

So you are saying that Cleveland was better than New England last year?

Otherwise, we can throw all your posts in this thread out the window.

This was not a ONE time thing with the Bears dude. They beat the Packers (and then lost to them twice in games that came down to the last play) , they beat the Eagles, they beat the Jets, they swept the Lions, they swept the Vikings, they won 12 football games last year.

If the Browns had beat the Patriots and 11 other football games, then yeah, maybe they would be declared better than the Pats...

[rsnnh12]

Better teams win.

Idiots can talk about how talented teams are, but if they go 7-9, they aren't good. Simple as that.

I agree... not sure what that has to do with anything though... they were talking about Jets or Bears being better, and 1 head to head matchup doesn't determine that

[kerrywoodwins20]

yisman, don't be ridiculous.

Fact is Bears won their division, went 11-5 and reached the NFC Champ. You want to argue NYJ was better, fine, that's an opinion not a fact. The body of works shows a pretty even resume overall. They were pretty similar teams really.

Can't really defend his line of reasoning... you can't argue with idiotic logic...

Jets/Bears was about even. Bears won head to head though.

[kerrywoodwins20]

I agree... not sure what that has to do with anything though... they were talking about Jets or Bears being better, and 1 head to head matchup doesn't determine that

Their records were similar... Bears lost a close game with their 3rd string QB to the super bowl winner... and Bears owned the head to head.

Opinions are one thing. I think Bears, they may think Jets. But all the evidence points to the Bears being better. Obvious.

[kerrywoodwins20]

East coast media bias is not made up.

if the Jets were in Chicago and the Bears were in New York, no one would think the Jets were better.

[yisman]

Can't really defend his line of reasoning... you can't argue with idiotic logic...

Every one of your posts in this thread has been idiotic.

Jets were the better team last year. The evidence clearly points to that.

You then claimed that because Chicago beat them (in a close game, in Soldier Field), the Bears were better.

So I then said if head to head determines which team is better, the Browns were better than the Patriots.

Thank you for contradicting yourself. Your posts about anything Bears-related can be safely ignored.

[yisman]

East coast media bias is not made up.

if the Jets were in Chicago and the Bears were in New York, no one would think the Jets were better.

Homerism is not made up.

If you tried to be somewhat objective, people might take your posts seriously.

[d2bets]

Every one of your posts in this thread has been idiotic.

Jets were the better team last year. The evidence clearly points to that.

You then claimed that because Chicago beat them (in a close game, in Soldier Field), the Bears were better.

So I then said if head to head determines which team is better, the Browns were better than the Patriots.

Thank you for contradicting yourself. Your posts about anything Bears-related can be safely ignored.

Again, ridiculous strawman. We're only talking about H2H because they had similar records and reached the same point in the playoffs. Sorta like a tiebreaker when the rest of the resume is close. And that game was not as close as the final might indicate.

Their overall resumes last season show that the two teams were very very close and similar. You can argue it either way, but not by much.

[kerrywoodwins20]

Homerism is not made up.

If you tried to be somewhat objective, people might take your posts seriously.

You lost any credibility remaining when you compared Jets/Bears to Browns/Patriots.

If you have 2 teams who both make it to the NFC and AFC championship games, and one of them beat the other head to head, it is safe to say logic and reasoning points to THAT team being better.

Especially if THEIR league won the super bowl.

[kerrywoodwins20]

Again, ridiculous strawman. We're only talking about H2H because they had similar records and reached the same point in the playoffs. Sorta like a tiebreaker when the rest of the resume is close. And that game was not as close as the final might indicate.

Their overall resumes last season show that the two teams were very very close and similar. You can argue it either way, but not by much.

Resumes are identical. But then there is more..

1) Bears won head to head
2) NFC won the super bowl

All evidence points to Bears being better. It annoys him I guess.

[d2bets]

Resumes are identical. But then there is more..

1) Bears won head to head
2) NFC won the super bowl

All evidence points to Bears being better. It annoys him I guess.

Not just NFC, but same NFC North division.

[kerrywoodwins20]

Not just NFC, but same NFC North division.

Bears flat out don't get respect. Regardless of what happens.

I'm used to it. I find it funny a gambler is letting media bias dictate who he thinks is good though. The Jets weren't better than the Bears last year.

[LT Profits]

Yep. I was told the same thing before last year about the Bears finishing 4-12 and finishing in last... or 11-5 and finishing in 1st. Same thing. Clown. They are improved from last year and went 11-5 last year. All that needs to be known.

They are NOT improved because a lot of their guys overachieved last season and they should regress to their normal mediocre (at best) levels this year. As for the new guys, I think Roy Williams is overrated (maybe finished already) and I think whatever tight end or slot receiver that replaces Greg Olson will be a downgrade.

If you ever want to win at gambling, you have to take off the homer shades and learn to be objective about "your" team.

As for the "Clown" part, I've probable already forgotten more about betting than you will ever know.

Bears finish 8-8 at best, with 7-9 not impossible. They got a first place schedule and they were not as good as their record last year, so that schedule should be their ultimate downfall.

[yisman]

Evidence points to Jets being better, but the Bears homer can't handle it.

I'd gladly bet against the Bears making the playoffs.

You lost any credibility remaining when you compared Jets/Bears to Browns/Patriots.

No, I was just using your idiotic logic that head to head determines which team is better. Next time, get smarter.

You lost all credibility with the original post.

[yisman]

Similar to the ridiculous assertion that one game head to head determines which team is better, now we have the argument that one game determines which conference is better.

Real logical, guys.

[LT Profits]

yisman, don't be ridiculous.

Fact is Bears won their division, went 11-5 and reached the NFC Champ. You want to argue NYJ was better, fine, that's an opinion not a fact. The body of works shows a pretty even resume overall. They were pretty similar teams really.

I think that Jets and Packers both being better than Bears last year are both FACTS. Don't use W/L record as the tell-all, end-all and look at the peripheral numbers. Their is a reason Green Bay was -3.5 AT Chicago in the NFC Championship.

Not being a dick, I just don't think the Bears were/are that good, and this year's record will be more representative of their true level than last year's record was.

[DwightShrute]

over 18.5 1H easy $$$

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[KiDBaZkiT]

Expect a coke junkie to find value in a team with 4 new offensive linemen. NYG were free dough. This shi gna get ugh in 2nd half.

[bigsmitty]

Go get your freaking shinebox Cutler...Love the score baby.

[d2bets]

I think that Jets and Packers both being better than Bears last year are both FACTS. Don't use W/L record as the tell-all, end-all and look at the peripheral numbers. Their is a reason Green Bay was -3.5 AT Chicago in the NFC Championship.

Not being a dick, I just don't think the Bears were/are that good, and this year's record will be more representative of their true level than last year's record was.

How about the fact that the Bears were -3 at home vs. Jets late in the season and pushed? Isn't -3 a pretty standard home line for an evenly matched team? You're bringing up a steamed line on a red hot SB winner as evidence? Come on now.

[CanuckG]

How about the fact that the Bears were -3 at home late in the season and pushed? Isn't that a pretty standard home line for an evenly matched team? You're bringing up a steamed line on a red hot SB winner as evidence? Come on now.

They weren't a SB winner at that point...just a much better team.

Bears are awful what's new?

[kerrywoodwins20]

They weren't a SB winner at that point...just a much better team.

Bears are awful what's new?

Bears are never good in preseason. 0-4 last year, then 11-5 in season.

[d2bets]

They weren't a SB winner at that point...just a much better team.

Bears are awful what's new?

No shit. They were a hot team, that's what I'm saying. Using that as evidence with regard to the Jets make no sense.

We'll see if Bears are awful, that sounds like an opinion to me. Preseason means shit either way.

And as for being 'awful what's new'? Actually that would be new. Bears have won their division 3 of the last 6 seasons and have won at least 7 games each season and are 58-38 over that stretch. Now exactly how is that awful? I don't know for sure but I would guess there are only maybe 5 or 6 teams with more wins over the last 6 seasons.

[Sunde91]

Anyone who thinks last year was any indicator of Bears being good needs to get a clue, fast.

Gifted week 1 win vs. Lions after Lions robbed of GW TD
Outplayed by GB at home, won off GB most penalty yards in history and bad GB TOs
Played 2-14 Carolina from NFC South instead of TB, ATL, or NO
Played toughest non-Div games all home (PHI, NYJ, NE)
Gifted NFC Champ after Seattle at home

They were spared at least 3 losses by luck alone.

Luck runs out this year.

Their wins are 8.5 U -160 with a brutal schedule. 7-9

[kerrywoodwins20]

Anyone who thinks last year was any indicator of Bears being good needs to get a clue, fast.

Gifted week 1 win vs. Lions after Lions robbed of GW TD
Outplayed by GB at home, won off GB most penalty yards in history and bad GB TOs
Played 2-14 Carolina from NFC South instead of TB, ATL, or NO
Played toughest non-Div games all home (PHI, NYJ, NE)
Gifted NFC Champ after Seattle at home

They were spared at least 3 losses by luck alone.

Luck runs out this year.

Their wins are 8.5 U -160 with a brutal schedule. 7-9

They gotrobbed of a TD against washington which cost them the game
Robbed of a td return by hester against seattle which cost them the game.

You're crazy.

[kerrywoodwins20]

Anyone who thinks last year was any indicator of Bears being good needs to get a clue, fast.

Gifted week 1 win vs. Lions after Lions robbed of GW TD
Outplayed by GB at home, won off GB most penalty yards in history and bad GB TOs
Played 2-14 Carolina from NFC South instead of TB, ATL, or NO
Played toughest non-Div games all home (PHI, NYJ, NE)
Gifted NFC Champ after Seattle at home

They were spared at least 3 losses by luck alone.

Luck runs out this year.

Their wins are 8.5 U -160 with a brutal schedule. 7-9

Bears were up 10-7 on washington and Cutler QB sneaks it in for a TD, official misses the TD and calls a fumble, bears end up losing the game.

They were robbed of a win, how is that lucky?

[yisman]

http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/teameff

[kerrywoodwins20]

http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/teameff

[Cap dat 4ss]

Under 35 is the play

Not sure why you guys are arguing when Brock gave us a lock! Over 35 was the obvious play, hope you guys jumped on it... Thx Landers

[Cap dat 4ss]

Boyz, Landers just missed the under on the bears/giants by 20

He is gonna be firing on all cylinders come week 1. He's already in mid season form. Lets just hope he doesnt blow his was "pre"maturely.

[yisman]

Yep, what can argue with your homer opinions? Certainly not objective statistics.

[jjgold]

Bettors cleaned up again