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    Who would vote for Obama today?

    As a fairly staunch conservative (though repubs have it all wrong regarding internet gambling and a few other things) I find Obama's apporval rating amazing. No, not that his approval rating has dropped to 39% but that it is that high.

    Who are these 39% that believe he's doing a bang up job? If you are one of them, tell me why. I won't criticize but I cannot promise I won't be fascinated.

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    Not sure what an 'approval rating' means. I will definitely vote for Obama over any Republican, but I don't approve of the way he caves to Republican policies at every turn in the name of compromise.

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    Approval rating doesn't mean a whole lot...

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    Tea party is making it easy for him.... Congrats to them... I voted for McCain '08 because he was moderate republican, but the whack jobs that you guys are sending out this time will make me vote for the Kenyan.

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    If the choices are Perry or Bachman then I'd stick with Obama for another term. Hillary would win Democratic nomination in a landslide if she stepped into campaign.

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    We are indeed a polarized society. I have often contemplated writing an article called the Divided States of America and build the article around breaking the country in two with the lefties to move east of the Misssissippi and the righties to the west (yes, all the libs form Cali would have to move to Vermont).

    I think we're so far apart on so much, that Congressional gridlock has simply becometoo paralyzing a force for any progress to be made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grits n' Gravy View Post
    If the choices are Perry or Bachman then I'd stick with Obama for another term.
    +1

    Not so much a vote for Obama .. but a vote against the Republican candidate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grits n' Gravy View Post
    If the choices are Perry or Bachman then I'd stick with Obama for another term. Hillary would win Democratic nomination in a landslide if she stepped into campaign.
    Exactly. Doesnt matter what his approval rating is if the Republicans throw Bachman or Paul out there, Obama would win easily.

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    Obama is in a position so far over his head its laughable. The only thing he's shown me so far is to prove the point that being the President of the US is harder than it looks.

    No way I would ever vote for him. Rick Perry will be a 1000x better choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by opie1988 View Post
    Obama is in a position so far over his head its laughable. The only thing he's shown me so far is to prove the point that being the President of the US is harder than it looks.

    No way I would ever vote for him. Rick Perry will be a 1000x better choice.
    Can't vote for a guy who thinks the economy can be fixed with prayer. Put Bob Kraft in the White House. He gets shit done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grits n' Gravy View Post
    Can't vote for a guy who thinks the economy can be fixed with prayer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by opie1988 View Post
    No way I would ever vote for him. Rick Perry will be a 1000x better choice.
    Quote Originally Posted by Grits n' Gravy View Post
    Can't vote for a guy who thinks the economy can be fixed with prayer
    This.

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    Will be more than happy to vote straight Democrat ticket next election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swinging Johnson View Post
    We are indeed a polarized society. I have often contemplated writing an article called the Divided States of America and build the article around breaking the country in two with the lefties to move east of the Misssissippi and the righties to the west (yes, all the libs form Cali would have to move to Vermont).

    I think we're so far apart on so much, that Congressional gridlock has simply becometoo paralyzing a force for any progress to be made.
    Does that mean that couples with one lefty and one righty have to get divorced?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grits n' Gravy View Post
    Can't vote for a guy who thinks the economy can be fixed with prayer.
    Spot on.

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    every president since jfk has had lower approval ratings than obama.....

    bush 25%
    clinton 37%
    bush sr 29%
    reagan 35%
    carter 28%
    ford 37%
    nixon 24%
    johnson 35%

    so what's the big deal? the only approval rating that matters is the final one.

    Bush's Final Approval Rating: 22 Percent

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n4728399.shtml


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    Give the next president a senate and congress that contain a majority from his or her party and just get shit done. The stalling and filibuster isn't helping anyone. Worst case scenario is after term is done a new regime rolls in and makes wholesale changes, but at least we are doing something.

    Government objectives should be on big things like focusing on just a few big things. One would be getting troops out of needless combat. We can be in Afghanistan forever and it won't make a difference. Just wasting time, money and lives. Better off backing India and let them deal with it. Put together an economic think tank with succesful individuals who haven't gotten wealthy from working for Goldman and Sachs at some point. They are the guys who have stolen the answers to the exam before it is given. I'm sure a group with Warren Buffett, Steve Jobs, Bob Kraft, Sheldon Adelson and others could be of help. Get defense budget and financial plans set and the rest will fall into place. Let states decide how they prefer to handle everyday shit like health insurance, education, gay marriage, abortion.
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    I didnt vote for the guy the first time and he still does not have my approval!
    With that being said,
    I do not agree with a lot of what he does but he is our President and I still repect him and would defend him.
    That does not mean I will vote for the guy...

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    Michele Obama would vote for Obama today.

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    Afroamercano population?

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    How do Republicans respond to the fact that people with a statistically higher(on average) level of education than them are usually democrats?

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    No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by illfuuptn View Post
    How do Republicans respond to the fact that people with a statistically higher(on average) level of education than them are usually democrats?
    Who cares? The "higher education" includes history, literature, women's studies, English, etc, and doesn't exactly prove intelligence.

    How many people do you know that are book smart but have no common sense? Those tend to be the Democrats

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    Quote Originally Posted by illfuuptn View Post
    How do Republicans respond to the fact that people with a statistically higher(on average) level of education than them are usually democrats?
    I wouldn't want a professor of quantum physics fixing my brakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swinging Johnson View Post
    I wouldn't want a professor of quantum physics fixing my brakes.
    I wouldn't want the guy fixing my brakes running my country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsnnh12 View Post
    Who cares? The "higher education" includes history, literature, women's studies, English, etc, and doesn't exactly prove intelligence.

    How many people do you know that are book smart but have no common sense? Those tend to be the Democrats

    what would you know about common sense?

    you support ron paul, who opposes student loans, which without you wouldn't be able to afford school.

    you also think bush wasn't sufficiently warned about 9/11 when in fact he was told al qaeda planned to hijack planes, fly them in to buildings and were closely observing buildings in nyc.

    you are the epitome of neocon stupidity.


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    Quote Originally Posted by crustyme View Post
    what would you know about common sense?

    you support ron paul, who opposes student loans, which without you wouldn't be able to afford school.

    you also think bush wasn't sufficiently warned about 9/11 when in fact he was told al qaeda planned to hijack planes, fly them in to buildings and were closely observing buildings in nyc.

    you are the epitome of neocon stupidity.



    I like the fact that Paul is at least trying to change our obviously broken system. I don't know who I support yet because quite frankly, none of the options on either side look that great. I'm sick of almost all politicians.

    Care to tell everyone again how the dot com boom and bust had no significance to the economy?

    Edit- I've already explained that the FBI investigated the surveillance of NYC tip, and that it turned out to be 2 Yemeni tourists, so why do you keep saying that is relevant? Bush was obviously told that it checked out, so how was 2 tourists taking pictures a sign of what was to come?
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    Quote Originally Posted by crustyme View Post


    what would you know about common sense?

    you support ron paul, who opposes student loans, which without you wouldn't be able to afford school.

    you also think bush wasn't sufficiently warned about 9/11 when in fact he was told al qaeda planned to hijack planes, fly them in to buildings and were closely observing buildings in nyc.

    you are the epitome of neocon stupidity.

    You would be able to afford school without student loans. The price of college is so high because everyone can afford to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crustyme View Post
    you support ron paul, who opposes student loans, which without you wouldn't be able to afford school.
    Dumbest shit ever posted. You go to a private financial institution and get your ass a student loan at the market rate instead of a taxpayer subsidized rate. Then you pay the loan back or get wages garnished instead of getting hardship extension after hardship extension from the government in order to screw the taxpayer out of money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by guitarjosh View Post
    You would be able to afford school without student loans. The price of college is so high because everyone can afford to go.
    So what's your plan? If people who can't afford to go college don't go because of no student loans then would you hire a HS graduate to design a skyscraper or do a heart surgery?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jarvol View Post
    Dumbest shit ever posted. You go to a private financial institution and get your ass a student loan at the market rate instead of a taxpayer subsidized rate. Then you pay the loan back or get wages garnished instead of getting hardship extension after hardship extension from the government in order to screw the taxpayer out of money.
    What if the private financial institution decides you're not worth the risk or they don't like what your studying so they're not going to loan you the dough or they're going to charge you 20%? Still like it? The only people who might get student loans would be those whose parents are rich enough to co-sign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pavyracer View Post
    So what's your plan? If people who can't afford to go college don't go because of no student loans then would you hire a HS graduate to design a skyscraper or do a heart surgery?
    No government student loans =/= no student loans

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    Didn't vote for him to begin with and would never vote for anyone that's not a Republican.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2bets View Post
    What if the private financial institution decides you're not worth the risk or they don't like what your studying so they're not going to loan you the dough or they're going to charge you 20%? Still like it? The only people who might get student loans would be those whose parents are rich enough to co-sign.
    And with the government backing every loan, the cost of tuition will just continue skyrocketing, because schools know people will be able to get loans. Its a lose-lose
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    Quote Originally Posted by jarvol View Post
    Dumbest shit ever posted. You go to a private financial institution and get your ass a student loan at the market rate instead of a taxpayer subsidized rate. Then you pay the loan back or get wages garnished instead of getting hardship extension after hardship extension from the government in order to screw the taxpayer out of money.

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