[wikkidinsane]

Isn't it funny how the liberals in here have such a double standard when it comes to Obama/Bush? Bush 100% responsible for a terrorist attack that happened 8 months into his presidency yet Obama does not have to accept any personal responsibility over two and a half years into his presidency for anything. So if you are republican, you are fully held accountable for everything that happens from the day you are sworn in. If you are Obama, the nuthuggers will let you be a total fukkup for two and a half years and it is still not your fault. Typical liberal victim mentality syndrome.

I dont remember anyone blaming bush 100% for something out of his control ( or was it, hmmm). He should be blamed however for going to war on false pretense and butt ******* USA for decades upon decades now.

[Mr KLC]

Hindsight is 20/20. Going to Afghanistan was necessary. We had to respond to being attacked. The problem was going to Iraq. That took the focus off the mission in Afghanistan, and has kept us there much longer than we should have been. In hindsight, it would have been best to leave Iraq alone. WMD's were never found, and I wouldn't have put it past Saddam to have let the idea of him having them just be a rumor to keep Iran out of his kitchen.

[Mr KLC]

As far as being better off if Gore was president, I'm just going to refer to a friend of mine from Pakistan who runs a business here. I remember him telling me that if Gore was president, there would have been nothing but negotiating with Al Queda and the Taliban. No response. People would be going to work everyday with surgical masks on, worried about the next Anthrax attack. Fear would have been embraced. Bush was the right president for this country until 2003, when he went to Iraq, and started getting into the business of social programs.

[wikkidinsane]

fair enough

[crustyme]

"The PDB is intended to provide the president of the United States with new international intelligence warranting attention and analysis of sensitive international situations."

You're right though, they only brief him during emergencies

wheres your source that claims the reports of impending hijackings in the "bin laden determined to strike within the us" memo proved false????? of course it was 100% accurate since thats exactly what happened a month later!!!!!!



but of course bush the idiot was too busy taking a month long vacation to even give a damn.

[rocky502]

Obama killed Osama in 2 years n 6 months running shit. Bush couldnt in 8 long ass years. Who wins on that argument?

Maybe he should blame Bush for this also. If he is responsible for the economy 2.5 years later, maybe Bush should also be given credit 2.5 years later. Obama's fate is now sealed as a one term president and one of the worst in history.

[Monitor-Tan]

Doesn't work that way, there's still a little over a year to go for Obama. IF history says anything, some crazy thing happens 3-4 month before election time and people forget the past...

[crustyme]

Maybe he should blame Bush for this also. If he is responsible for the economy 2.5 years later, maybe Bush should also be given credit 2.5 years later. Obama's fate is now sealed as a one term president and one of the worst in history.

you mean like when reagan blamed carter when recession and 10.8% unemployment hit 2 years into his own presidency?

or bush blaming clinton when recession hit 3 months after he became president.


this current recession began 2007, a full year before obama entered office. bush lost 4 million jobs from 2007-8. americans lost $19 trillion in personal wealth under bush. yet u neocons think 2 years is enough?

even the recession of 2001 which lasted just 6 months took 3 years before unemployment stopped rising. in 2 years obama has miraculously created over 2 million jobs even in the worst economy since the great depression!

not to mention saving the auto industry, pulling combat troops out of iraq, giving healthcare to 50 million uninsured, killing bin laden, saving the stock market, etc.

anyone who claims obama is a failure is obviously a moron.

[jrmartin.mig]

We could have searched for ManBearPig instead of Bin Laden for all that time!

[pavyracer]

Hindsight is 20/20. Going to Afghanistan was necessary. We had to respond to being attacked. The problem was going to Iraq. That took the focus off the mission in Afghanistan, and has kept us there much longer than we should have been. In hindsight, it would have been best to leave Iraq alone. WMD's were never found, and I wouldn't have put it past Saddam to have let the idea of him having them just be a rumor to keep Iran out of his kitchen.

But the Iraq was was necessary so Halliburton could recoup the investment it made in bankrolling Bush/Cheney team in to power.

[rsnnh12]

wheres your source that claims the reports of impending hijackings in the "bin laden determined to strike within the us" memo proved false????? of course it was 100% accurate since thats exactly what happened a month later!!!!!!



but of course bush the idiot was too busy taking a month long vacation to even give a damn.

Are you mentally challenged? That's a completely serious question. You said they don't update him every day, I proved you wrong. Bush asked for an update on Osama, that memo is what they briefed him with... basically saying they have nothing new. You really think the FBI would look into the "casing federal buildings" tip, but not the hijacking one?!? The FBI doesn't release info from everything they do, but its common sense that if they looked into 1 potential serious threat, they would look into the other.

"Since 1998, the FBI had observed “patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks,” according to a memo prepared for Bush and declassified Saturday."

Why didn't Clinton stop it? Maybe if he wasnt so busy banging fat chicks in the White House, he could've stopped it. (See how stupid your argument sounds?)

"On May 15, 2001, a caller to the U.S. embassy in the United Arab Emirates warned of planned bin Laden attacks with explosives in the United States, but did not say where or when. The CIA reported the incident to other government officials the next day, and a dozen or more steps were taken by the CIA and other agencies “to run down” the information from the phone call, senior administration officials said Saturday evening."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4700899/...idnt-foretell/

See, they look into this stuff on their own. If any matters were pressing, don't you think the CIA/FBI might've mentioned it??

[crustyme]

Are you mentally challenged? That's a completely serious question. You said they don't update him every day, I proved you wrong. Bush asked for an update on Osama, that memo is what they briefed him with... basically saying they have nothing new. You really think the FBI would look into the "casing federal buildings" tip, but not the hijacking one?!? The FBI doesn't release info from everything they do, but its common sense that if they looked into 1 potential serious threat, they would look into the other.

"Since 1998, the FBI had observed “patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks,” according to a memo prepared for Bush and declassified Saturday."

Why didn't Clinton stop it? Maybe if he wasnt so busy banging fat chicks in the White House, he could've stopped it. (See how stupid your argument sounds?)

"On May 15, 2001, a caller to the U.S. embassy in the United Arab Emirates warned of planned bin Laden attacks with explosives in the United States, but did not say where or when. The CIA reported the incident to other government officials the next day, and a dozen or more steps were taken by the CIA and other agencies “to run down” the information from the phone call, senior administration officials said Saturday evening."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4700899/...idnt-foretell/

See, they look into this stuff on their own. If any matters were pressing, don't you think the CIA/FBI might've mentioned it??

bush asked for pdb on bin laden while on vacation then never once discussed the threat with any of his staff?

link the source. i'd love to see this.

if pdb is delivered to bush everyday, how come bush didn't receive any for aug 8, 2001, aug 9, 2001, aug 10, 2001.... so on?

clinton received an urgent presidential memo titled "bin laden determined to strike within the us" outlining hijackings, bin laden supporters with explosives, surveillance of buildings in nyc and did nothing?

link?

oh and where's that link to your claims that the reports of hijackings was basically a hoax and proven false?

[rsnnh12]

bush asked for pdb on bin laden while on vacation then never once discussed the threat with any of his staff?

link the source. i'd love to see this.

if pdb is delivered to bush everyday, how come bush didn't receive any for aug 8, 2001, aug 9, 2001, aug 10, 2001.... so on?

clinton received an urgent presidential memo titled "bin laden determined to strike within the us" outlining hijackings, bin laden supporters with explosives, surveillance of buildings in nyc and did nothing?

link?

oh and where's that link to your claims that the reports of hijackings was basically a hoax and proven false?

First part of your response was linked above.

Why do you think Bush didn't get PDBs on those days? . He got them EVERY SINGLE DAY! Seriously, are you this dense? He. Got. Briefings. Every. Day. From. The. CIA.

Again, you think the FBI would investigate 1 part, the CIA another, but they'd just let the 3rd one go untouched?!? You can't possibly be this dumb.

[wikkidinsane]

Maybe he should blame Bush for this also. If he is responsible for the economy 2.5 years later, maybe Bush should also be given credit 2.5 years later. Obama's fate is now sealed as a one term president and one of the worst in history.

Obama made some drastic moves before Osama got killed, if you recall he did emphasize putting his focus on afghanistan and parts of pakistan. He pushed for that very hard and the results, I must say, was grand! Dude you think Obama is gonna lose to one of these Republican candidates? You're in for a big suprise.

[crustyme]

First part of your response was linked above.

Why do you think Bush didn't get PDBs on those days? . He got them EVERY SINGLE DAY! Seriously, are you this dense? He. Got. Briefings. Every. Day. From. The. CIA.

Again, you think the FBI would investigate 1 part, the CIA another, but they'd just let the 3rd one go untouched?!? You can't possibly be this dumb.

prove pdbs were issued aug 8, 2001.... the day after the urgent 'bin laden determined to strike within the us' memo.

i want links not your personal opinions. you claimed they investigated the hijackings and found it to be a hoax/non-truth. prove it.

if they found the hijackings, explosives, surveillance of nyc to be false... why wasn't another pdb issued retracting these?

[rsnnh12]

prove pdbs were issued aug 8, 2001.... the day after the urgent 'bin laden determined to strike within the us' memo.

i want links not your personal opinions. you claimed they investigated the hijackings and found it to be a hoax/non-truth. prove it.

if they found the hijackings, explosives, surveillance of nyc to be false... why wasn't another pdb issued retracting these?

Are you joking? You want proof that the president received a PDB on Aug 8, even though every president in the last 40 years has received one every single day, in person, no matter where they are? Again, you can't possibly be this stupid. Every single day for 40 years, that's my proof

Look at the dates for the phone call about explosives. May 15, 2001. THE NEXT DAY, the CIA reported it to other offices and did their 12+ step investigation. And yet, 3 months later, they included it in the memo, because it was an important thing that they had investigated. Same with the surveillance tip, same with the hijacking tip. They included it because they briefed the president on what they had investigated in regards to al qaeda. If there was anything urgent about any of those leads, don't you think they would have done something about it?

Why would they retract something from a BRIEFING? You think the CIA agent just handed him the memo, stood there drooling while Bush pretended to read it, then left? No, if there was anything remotely relevant to pressing, urgent needs, it would have been addressed. There is literally nothing that indicates there was

[crustyme]

Are you joking? You want proof that the president received a PDB on Aug 8, even though every president in the last 40 years has received one every single day, in person, no matter where they are? Again, you can't possibly be this stupid. Every single day for 40 years, that's my proof

Look at the dates for the phone call about explosives. May 15, 2001. THE NEXT DAY, the CIA reported it to other offices and did their 12+ step investigation. And yet, 3 months later, they included it in the memo, because it was an important thing that they had investigated. Same with the surveillance tip, same with the hijacking tip. They included it because they briefed the president on what they had investigated in regards to al qaeda. If there was anything urgent about any of those leads, don't you think they would have done something about it?

Why would they retract something from a BRIEFING? You think the CIA agent just handed him the memo, stood there drooling while Bush pretended to read it, then left? No, if there was anything remotely relevant to pressing, urgent needs, it would have been addressed. There is literally nothing that indicates there was

first of all, pdbs isn't delivered on weekends so it's not everyday. secondly, there was no briefings on aug 8th because they do that in the white house and not on vacations!

yet he receives an urgent pdb warning of bin laden's imminent attack detailing hijackings (correctly), bin laden supporters being in the us (correctly), using explosives (correctly, eg planes), surveillance of buildings in ny (correctly) yet does nothing! does this sound like a guy who was interested at all in bin laden's activities? the same guy who said after 911 he wouldn't rest until bin laden was captures only to say later he didn't know where he was and didn't care that he wasn't a priority.



so where are these evidence that the hijackings, bin laden supporters being in the us, using explosives and surveillance of buildings in ny in the 'bin laden determined to strike in the us' being hoax/bogus????

post links not your idiotic opinions.

and if in fact they were bogus, why wasn't there a followup pdb saying so? if you told someone something that turned out to be bogus, you wouldn't let them know you were wrong?????

[rsnnh12]

first of all, pdbs isn't delivered on weekends so it's not everyday. secondly, there was no briefings on aug 8th because they do that in the white house and not on vacations!

yet he receives an urgent pdb warning of bin laden's imminent attack detailing hijackings (correctly), bin laden supporters being in the us (correctly), using explosives (correctly, eg planes), surveillance of buildings in ny (correctly) yet does nothing! does this sound like a guy who was interested at all in bin laden's activities? the same guy who said after 911 he wouldn't rest until bin laden was captures only to say later he didn't know where he was and didn't care that he wasn't a priority.



so where are these evidence that the hijackings, bin laden supporters being in the us, using explosives and surveillance of buildings in ny in the 'bin laden determined to strike in the us' being hoax/bogus????

post links not your idiotic opinions.

and if in fact they were bogus, why wasn't there a followup pdb saying so? if you told someone something that turned out to be bogus, you wouldn't let them know you were wrong?????

Sigh. I've already posted the link saying they investigated the surveillance and phone call. Its the MSNBC link.

Second, the president receives the PDB every single day. Not just at the White House, not just on weekdays. Here is a link about your boy Obama receiving them on his Christmas vacation in Hawaii
http://articles.cnn.com/2010-12-29/p..._s=PM:POLITICS

How do we know there wasn't a follow up? PDBs are classified.
The agencies followed up on the surveillance and explosives lead on their own, why would they need the president to authorize them investigating the hijacking tip? . I've asked you this several times, yet you don't answer

[crustyme]

Sigh. I've already posted the link saying they investigated the surveillance and phone call. Its the MSNBC link.

Second, the president receives the PDB every single day. Not just at the White House, not just on weekends. Here is a link about your boy Obama receiving them on his Christmas vacation in Hawaii
http://articles.cnn.com/2010-12-29/p..._s=PM:POLITICS

How do we know there wasn't a follow up? PDBs are classified.
The agencies followed up on the surveillance and explosives lead on their own, why would they need the president to authorize them investigating the hijacking tip? . I've asked you this several times, yet you don't answer

so when cia director george tenet testified to the following:

Tenet replied, "I was not in briefings at this time." Bush, he noted, "was on vacation." He added that he didn't see the president at all in August 2001. During the entire month, Bush was at his ranch in Texas. "You never talked with him?" Roemer asked. "No," Tenet replied.

so he was just making this shit up when he testified he didn't brief or talk to bush for an entire month while he was on vacation in texas?

you just got owned you stupid neo-tard!!!!!!!!!



another fact bush was briefed about just before 9/11...

"he first found out about the report from the FBI's Minnesota field office that Zacarias Moussaoui, an Islamic jihadist, had been taking lessons on how to fly a 747. Tenet replied that he was briefed about the case on Aug. 23 or 24, 2001."

so dumbya the idiot was told that:

1. bin laden was going to attack soon
2. bin laden loyalists were in the us
3. they were going to hijack planes
4. they were going to be using explosives
5. they were staking out buildings in nyc
6. zacarias moussaoui was taking flight lessons on how to fly a 747

but we should all give the crackhead a pass because the warning wasn't specific enough?



you are fuking idiot and a clueless moron. the reason you keep losing these arguments is because facts are always on my side. all you got are lies, spins and more lies.

i win again, beeeeotch.

[rsnnh12]

so when cia director george tenet testified to the following:

Tenet replied, "I was not in briefings at this time." Bush, he noted, "was on vacation." He added that he didn't see the president at all in August 2001. During the entire month, Bush was at his ranch in Texas. "You never talked with him?" Roemer asked. "No," Tenet replied.

so he was just making this shit up when he testified he didn't brief or talk to bush for an entire month while he was on vacation in texas?

you just got owned you stupid neo-tard!!!!!!!!!



another fact bush was briefed about just before 9/11...

"he first found out about the report from the FBI's Minnesota field office that Zacarias Moussaoui, an Islamic jihadist, had been taking lessons on how to fly a 747. Tenet replied that he was briefed about the case on Aug. 23 or 24, 2001."

so dumbya the idiot was told that:

1. bin laden was going to attack soon
2. bin laden loyalists were in the us
3. they were going to hijack planes
4. they were going to be using explosives
5. they were staking out buildings in nyc
6. zacarias moussaoui was taking flight lessons on how to fly a 747

but we should all give the crackhead a pass because the warning wasn't specific enough?



you are fuking idiot and a clueless moron. the reason you keep losing these arguments is because facts are always on my side. all you got are lies, spins and more lies.

i win again, beeeeotch.

Sigh. Again. You really are clueless. I could've told you that Tenet didn't give him the briefings... how is that relevant?

"On Aug. 6, Bush was given the now-famous President's Daily Brief (by one of Tenet's underlings)" convenient that you ignore that part, huh?

Do you think its impossible for the president to receive PDBs without the CIA director present?? Herp derp, you're a moron.

I love how I prove you wrong, yet you keep spewing your BS as fact. Fact- both the surveillance and phone call were investigated and openly said to have been nothing. Fact- no one knew when Osama would attack so your claim of "Osama attacking soon" is false. Fact- no one KNEW they would be using planes, all they knew was that it was a possibility, along with many other things.

Congratulations, you fail again. You might be the single dumbest person on this site. The fact that you ignore everything I've proven you wrong on, with links, is just pathetic. Grow up.

[crustyme]

Sigh. Again. You really are clueless. I could've told you that Tenet didn't give him the briefings... how is that relevant?

"On Aug. 6, Bush was given the now-famous President's Daily Brief (by one of Tenet's underlings)" convenient that you ignore that part, huh?

Do you think its impossible for the president to receive PDBs without the CIA director present?? Herp derp, you're a moron.

I love how I prove you wrong, yet you keep spewing your BS as fact. Fact- both the surveillance and phone call were investigated and openly said to have been nothing. Fact- no one knew when Osama would attack so your claim of "Osama attacking soon" is false. Fact- no one KNEW they would be using planes, all they knew was that it was a possibility, along with many other things.

Congratulations, you fail again. You might be the single dumbest person on this site. The fact that you ignore everything I've proven you wrong on, with links, is just pathetic. Grow up.

who do you think prepares the pdbs and was in charge of briefing them to the president? tenet, you fuking retard! and he testified he never briefed him or talked to him for a month! are you fuking dense?

none of the links you supplied ever said they were proven to be a hoax. all the msn article said was they tried to track down the caller and not that the information was fake or false. maybe you need to learn reading comprehension?

when the 'bin laden determined to strike within the us' pdb marked urgent and sent to dumbya in texas, everything in it was presented as factual (proved to be 100% correct). the hijackings, the explosives, the surveillance of nyc)... any president in his right mind would have cut his vacation short and returned to the white house and demanded they try to prevent it. but not dumbya, he couldn't care less. he stayed on vacation for the rest of the month and never once discussed the pdb with tenet or any other staffer.

bush knew:

1. bin laden was going to attack soon
2. bin laden loyalists were in the us
3. they were going to hijack planes
4. they were going to be using explosives
5. they were staking out buildings in nyc
6. zacarias moussaoui was taking flight lessons on how to fly a 747
7. cia for years warned that al qaeda planned to fly commercial jets in to buildings

Fact- no one KNEW they would be using planes, all they knew was that it was a possibility

you truly are the biggest fuking idiot in the world. there's like 100000000 possible ways they could have attacked, yet the intelligence specifically says "activities consistent with hijackings".... "terrorists taking flight lessons on how to fly 747s".... not to mention cia issuing warnings that al qaeda planning to fly commercial airliners in to buildings.... but no way it would ever happen, right?



i would call you the dumbest fuking idiot in the world but bush will always be #1. you're #2.

[sweethook]

any man on earth could have did a better job than bush did , he ****** this county for trillions and trillions , and he is still doing it

[rsnnh12]

Crusty - what happens if the CIA director can't give the PDB directly to the president? Say the director is in the hospital, has pressing needs on the other side of the world, etc. What happens with the PDB? Does the president not get one?

[rkelly110]

I do admire your persistence boys. Good points/ counter points.