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    Quote Originally Posted by ji03 View Post
    Hope that solidifies the back end of the pen for the Brewers as I would like to see them in the playoffs.
    Should be a great addition.

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    Who needs F*kkin-Rod when they got best closer in NL? (Axford)

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    really didn't see him going to the brewers was kind of surprised. congrats brewcrew im glad he stayed in the NL

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    I can't believe a NY team would trade away a guy because of financial concerns

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    Quote Originally Posted by thunderingherd23 View Post
    I can't believe a NY team would trade away a guy because of financial concerns
    So you think K-Rod is worth 17.5 million next year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thunderingherd23 View Post
    I can't believe a NY team would trade away a guy because of financial concerns
    Because that other NY team is mess, got taken for a ride in a Ponzi scheme, and is now broke.
    That other team from NY from the top, down has been clueless for decades and is a laughing stock.
    Which is mind boggling, because this town has enough baseball passion to support not two, but three teams, history has proven this.
    The Mets should be making money hand over fist, instead of having a fire sale, aren't they still paying off Bonilla?


    Hate the Yankees all you want, but the late, great King George took a floundering franchise 40 years ago, and turned it into multi billion dollar business empire, their counter part Mets made a franchise that should be printing money into a third world country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoulihansTX View Post
    Defensive position players are overvalued. Your best defender is your pitcher. Overall it starts and stops there. 8 guys behind him, he is dealing with guys that hit the ball 20-30% of the time, and 90% of out are hit directly towards position players.
    incorrect. while defense isn't nearly as under valued as it was it is vastly more important than most people still realize.

    actually pitcher allow about 75%-80% of batters to put the ball into play and defenses convert 65%-75% of those into outs. that 10 point swing is heavily depended on the defense, and is the differece between a 75 win team and a 90 win team

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    Brewers are all in this year, going for the WS. Fielder will surely walk next year.

    Mets had to make this move, I don't see how any Mets fan can be upset by this move. This contract is gone, Beltran will be gone soon, and hopefully they'll have some extra cash to give Reyes a nice 6 year deal

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    Quote Originally Posted by gryfyn1 View Post
    incorrect. while defense isn't nearly as under valued as it was it is vastly more important than most people still realize.

    actually pitcher allow about 75%-80% of batters to put the ball into play and defenses convert 65%-75% of those into outs. that 10 point swing is heavily depended on the defense, and is the differece between a 75 win team and a 90 win team
    This is a spot on, tremendous post.

    Up the middle (C,2B,SS,CF) defense is critical, a good up the middle makes a decent pitcher good, a good pitcher great.

    Look at the 1984 Tigers, they had one of the best up the middle defense in my generation with Parrish (C) Trammell (SS) Whitaker (2B) Lemon (CF)

    You know how many would be singles up the middle that were turned into double plays by Whitaker and Trammell?

    Dan Petry doesn't win 18 games that year without that defense, especially Milt Wilcox winning 17.

    Look at the big Red Machines of the 70's.
    Their up the middle defense had no equal with Johnny Bench, Joe Morgan, Dave Concepcion, and Geronimo

    Pitchers best friend (especially ground ball pitchers) are his second baseman and shortstop that can turn that would be single into double plays

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZetaPsi808 View Post
    Rodriguez and cash to Milwaukee for two players to be named.


    http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/stor...waukee-brewers

    Asa Mets fan I was hoping more for K-Rod to go over to the Yankees along with their solid fielding back up SS who can't hit a lick....and in return the Mets could land Jesus Montero and a pitching prospect. But if the Brewers can supply us with a decent hitting catcher prospect and/or a solid pitching prospect I won't be too bummed out.

    Mets cleared up more salary room to sign Jose Reyes also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    Because that other NY team is mess, got taken for a ride in a Ponzi scheme, and is now broke.
    That other team from NY from the top, down has been clueless for decades and is a laughing stock.
    Which is mind boggling, because this town has enough baseball passion to support not two, but three teams, history has proven this.
    The Mets should be making money hand over fist, instead of having a fire sale, aren't they still paying off Bonilla?


    Hate the Yankees all you want, but the late, great King George took a floundering franchise 40 years ago, and turned it into multi billion dollar business empire, their counter part Mets made a franchise that should be printing money into a third world country.

    How are the Mets a luaghing stock? 2006-2008 we were pretty solid and in 2006 probably should have been in the World Series. And 1999-2000 seasons we were deep in the playoffs, including the World Series. If anything if we can just get a good hitting catcher, another good young starter and re-sign Jose Reyes we should be in contention next year also.

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    how is the cardinals closing situation?

    Maybe the Cardinals should think about trading Adam Wainwright to a team building for the future so that they can land somebody that is going to help them win this year.

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    nobody on the brewers knows how to win, they just added another choker. good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYSportsGuy210 View Post
    How are the Mets a luaghing stock? 2006-2008 we were pretty solid and in 2006 probably should have been in the World Series. And 1999-2000 seasons we were deep in the playoffs, including the World Series. If anything if we can just get a good hitting catcher, another good young starter and re-sign Jose Reyes we should be in contention next year also.
    You've had more down than up years.
    The 'joke' is the ownership.

    The way you treated Willie Randolph was criminal, Razor Shines had his head up his ass, the guy who you replaced Randolph with, Manuel, was clueless..........

    Before that the Bonilla, Kent, Saberhagen era was a mightmare, a total mess, you were supposed to win the east, yet lost 103 games.


    You don't need a hitting catcher, Paulino can rake, so can Thole, Ike Davis doesn't put up enough power numbers as your typical corner infielder should, Citi is not built for David Wright's bat, will he ever return? How many hammys does Reyes pull a year? Santana is through, Beltran is gone, Bay is one hit a game guy........

    You have an OK staff, but it's like 5 #3 guys, who's the stopper?
    Who's closing? Neato? Is it in his blood?

    You guys have a few nice pieces, I like Murphy, Turner has some game.

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    this trade is awesome..my team may finally win something...no more kameron loe in the 8th is enough for me to be happy

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    I disagree. Its pitching for me. Those behind him are all secondary. I watch the Giants achieve success with one of the worst defensive infields for a winning teams. If your pitching is competent yo will be fine.

    If the Brewers played 5 inning games, absent of relief pitching, they would have an improved record.

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    And I understand that Giants are more than likely an exception to the rule. As most of their pitchers SO the opposition @ a high rate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ice House View Post
    how is the cardinals closing situation?

    Maybe the Cardinals should think about trading Adam Wainwright to a team building for the future so that they can land somebody that is going to help them win this year.

    WTF are you talking about? trade Wainwright? for a fukkin short term closer? Cards dont even really need a closer, same as mil they could really use a left handed specialist (which mil still doesnt have), and if anything they could use a starter to put McClellan back in the pen where he is best. Why the **** would they mortgage their future trading one of the best sp around for the end of this season when what Brewers just did isnt scaring anyone. with all their bats getting healthy stl could basically stand pat and still compete in this div, odds are they do a little something but trading a guy that is one of the best that they have at a very good price for years is asinine. If they did anything big it would be dealing Rasmus but it would take a very good offer and they arnt actively shopping him. Get a clue man.
    Last edited by BigDan; 07-13-11 at 05:45 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AL1322 View Post
    this trade is awesome..my team may finally win something...no more kameron loe in the 8th is enough for me to be happy

    doesnt really solve any of your teams problems, just window dressing. K-rod sux against lefties like the rest of your pen and who is to say he is happy in a setup role? maybe he is great looking for a new deal or maybe he pouts and is terrible, either way your team still cant win a road gm to save their life, have a terrible shortstop, and have no one at end of gms to get a lefty out.

    not saying he wasnt worth taking for the small price they paying just saying he wasnt really close to one of the bigger needs this team had.
    Last edited by BigDan; 07-13-11 at 05:55 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoulihansTX View Post
    And my opinions are exclusively based upon empirical evidence. No stats or other backing.

    Come to think of it.. Nl Central probably has the worst bullpens collectively.
    worst TEAMS** collectively

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    An interesting move. Didnt think he would go to the Brewers.

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    From a Fantasy Baseball standpoint this is no good for me.

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    mets trying to save a dollar..risky move when they were starting to play better

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    Mets might as well trade reyes and beltran now. No point in delaying the inevitable. Getting rid of K-Rod definitely makes sense financially, but from a purely baseball perspective, they basically just gave up on the season.

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