[BranchDavidian]

Since SBR has taken the sportsbook freeplays away from Americans, I have saved up about 3000 points. With 3500 points I could get 3 and 1/2 $50 gift cards, $175. If I were not American, those 3500 points would buy me $500 in sportsbook freeplays, which would be worth $375 to me. So, every point I accumulate since February is only worth about 45% of what it is worth to everyone else here at SBR. I have seen in a couple other threads where posters have argued quite convincingly, at least to me, that SBR really has no legal worries here. A few months ago, SBR stated that their lawyers were going to look into this and perhaps the sportbook freeplays would return. No word after months -- awfully slow lawyering. I see a lot of other posters as unhappy as I am. How about if we Americans band together. If we all sign a petition to quit SBR unless our points receive the same value as everyone else, perhaps SBR's lawyers will get to work, or some sort of accommodation could be made. It is difficult to make a case for Americans here since the points are free, and SBR provides an invaluable service that I need. But, somehow, this second-class citizenship does not seem right. Americans are the biggest share of SBR posters so I don't think SBR would like to see a lot of Americans leave. What do you think, can we get some fairness around here?

[Iced]

Only on SBR would a person complain about receiving $150 on a free internet forum. Idiot.

[gryfyn1]

And what exactly is your solution? Sbr didn't take away sportsbook cash because they hate issue they did it because of hike us laws, have you ever looked at us gaming laws?

[jayc88]

you could have spent the points when they announced that they would stop offering freeplays for us posters

[pavyracer]

Only on SBR would a person complain about receiving $150 on a free internet forum. Idiot.

If it's free then why do you have to deposit $200 to Become a Pro and have to log in daily and make a post to earn points? Can my grandma who doesn't gamble get these free cash you are referring too?

[Cap dat 4ss]

I hope john zeros your points balance and rams a cactus up your twat you fukkn crybaby.

[k13]

Buy yourself a lot of pizzas.

Land of the free....go fight for your rights.

[pavyracer]

SBR will have a HUGE problem with US Pro renewals next month if nothing is done to fix this inequality. When US Pros signed up last August for their one year membership it was with the understanding that the perks offered in the Store will be available for one year during their membership. Unfortunately the perks were only available for the first 6 months or so and now it will take a monumental effort to convince US Pros to renew by only giving them half the perks (or less) the non-US Pros receive and on top of that having their points value diluted by 50% or more.

[Wiggums5]

The simple solution to this would be to offer the **** gift cards at or around the same price point the sportsbook cash was. It was said these cards would be in the store, but of course...nothing yet.

[thezbar]

You know I view the points as something I wouldn't have otherwise and treat them as such. The last gift card I used as a gift for a baby shower at work, something I would not have done without SBR to begin with. To complain is bad karma towards the gambling Gods. I'm thankful for this site without the points. Devalued/ whatever!

[Mammon]

Since SBR was sold, it is not their decision. Ask Tony.

[Carseller4]

Sportsbook Cash and Freeplays will be a huge factor for many when renewal comes.

1. I risk nothing when I log into SBR and post for points. Gambling involves risk.
2. SBR is not a financial institution.

My conclusion is that SBR got in over their heads with the points program, and shutting off Americans is good for the bottom line. Look at the restructuring that is going on. Trivia winnings must be rolled over in casino? You got to be shifting me?

[BranchDavidian]

Only on SBR would a person complain about receiving $150 on a free internet forum. Idiot.

If I were from anywhere else, it would be $375. It makes me an idiot to dislike getting 45% from what I was getting 4 months ago, and what you probably get now? Then I am an idiot! BTW, are you an American?

[Lo$t]

Once Cwissy takes the oath and is sworn in as Pussycat of the United States, Cwissy promises to sign an executive order reinstating SBR point freeplays for Americans.

[pavyracer]

Sportsbook Cash and Freeplays will be a huge factor for many when renewal comes.

1. I risk nothing when I log into SBR and post for points. Gambling involves risk.
2. SBR is not a financial institution.

My conclusion is that SBR got in over their heads with the points program, and shutting off Americans is good for the bottom line. Look at the restructuring that is going on. Trivia winnings must be rolled over in casino? You got to be shifting me?

But if there is a significant drop in US Pro renewals which in reality means losing posters and posters who can deposit money at books to gamble this will benefit SBR's bottom line? Explain why you think shutting off Americans will be good for the bottom line.

[BranchDavidian]

And what exactly is your solution? Sbr didn't take away sportsbook cash because they hate issue they did it because of hike us laws, have you ever looked at us gaming laws?

SBR is not a financial institution capable of breaking any American banking laws. It is illegal for a bank to send money to a gambling site. A couple other posters have made exellent arguments along these lines, unfortunately I can't seem to locate the threads dealing with this issue or I would quote them. I don't believe SBR has any worries here, but why won't the SBR lawyers say anything after four months - because SBR profits from Americans while these "lawyers" stay silent.

[shari91]

If it's free then why do you have to deposit $200 to Become a Pro and have to log in daily and make a post to earn points? Can my grandma who doesn't gamble get these free cash you are referring too?

What loyalty reward program are you a part of where you can accumulate points with a monetary value simply based on good looks and charm?

Air miles? Nope.

Department store rewards? Nope

Gas station reward points? Nope

card reward points? Nope

That's why they're called LOYALTY points. Demonstrate loyalty to an organisation and you're rewarded. And for those programs you have to do repeated transactions in order to earn points each time. Here you have to make a one time deposit to earn double points for a year.

As of August 1st people don't even need to post to earn their points. Merely log in here for 2 seconds a day. Tell your grandmother to enjoy her SBR tshirt once she earns it.

[BranchDavidian]

I hope john zeros your points balance and rams a cactus up your twat you fukkn crybaby.

Oh, jeez, are you serious. Hope in one hand and sh!t in the other, and see which one gets filled first. Can I assume you are not an American either?

[Carseller4]

But if there is a significant drop in US Pro renewals which in reality means losing posters and posters who can deposit money at books to gamble this will benefit SBR's bottom line? Explain why you think shutting off Americans will be good for the bottom line.

Because sportsbook cash and freeplays where the most popular items in the store.

If 60% of your members can't use them, it forces them to do real money deposits.

I may be off base...but I don't think so.

[Carseller4]

What loyalty reward program are you a part of where you can accumulate points with a monetary value simply based on good looks and charm?

Air miles? Nope.

Department store rewards? Nope

Gas station reward points? Nope

card reward points? Nope

That's why they're called LOYALTY points. Demonstrate loyalty to an organisation and you're rewarded. And for those programs you have to do repeated transactions in order to earn points each time. Here you have to make a one time deposit to earn double points for a year.

As of August 1st people don't even need to post to earn their points. Merely log in here for 2 seconds a day. Tell your grandmother to enjoy her SBR tshirt once she earns it.

You are unknowingly making the case for Americans to get back the sportsbook cash and freeplays.

[BranchDavidian]

What loyalty reward program are you a part of where you can accumulate points with a monetary value simply based on good looks and charm?

Air miles? Nope.

Department store rewards? Nope

Gas station reward points? Nope

card reward points? Nope

That's why they're called LOYALTY points. Demonstrate loyalty to an organisation and you're rewarded. And for those programs you have to do repeated transactions in order to earn points each time. Here you have to make a one time deposit to earn double points for a year.

As of August 1st people don't even need to post to earn their points. Merely log in here for 2 seconds a day. Tell your grandmother to enjoy her SBR tshirt once she earns it.

But why would you reward some of your customers twice as well as some others? Don't you think that you might create some hard feelings?

[pavyracer]

Because sportsbook cash and freeplays where the most popular items in the store.

If 60% of your members can't use them, it forces them to do real money deposits.

I may be off base...but I don't think so.

Forcing them to make real money deposits is just wishful thinking. What if these members you worked hard to recruit this passing year and have introduced them to gambling lose interest now and never deposit again?

[Iced]

If it's free then why do you have to deposit $200 to Become a Pro and have to log in daily and make a post to earn points? Can my grandma who doesn't gamble get these free cash you are referring too?

Yes, yes she can. Non-pros can earn points as well.

And you don't have to pay SBR anything. The $200 is already in an offshore account, SBR only has to verify that for one to become a pro.

[BranchDavidian]

you could have spent the points when they announced that they would stop offering freeplays for us posters

Oh, don't worry. I cashed in for the freeplays on the last day they were available. As I said in my original post, these have been accumulated since then.

[Iced]

If I were from anywhere else, it would be $375. It makes me an idiot to dislike getting 45% from what I was getting 4 months ago, and what you probably get now? Then I am an idiot! BTW, are you an American?

I'm American. Blame the big brother US government, not SBR.

[shari91]

You are unknowingly making the case for Americans to get back the sportsbook cash and freeplays.

haha not at all. But yeah sure, it'd be great if Americans could get cash back. Unfortunately it's not happening today as has already been repeated several times. The fact that people think their points aren't valuable without sportsbook cash blows my mind.

But why would you reward some of your customers twice as well as some others? Don't you think that you might create some hard feelings?

In what sense? Does American Airlines give me the same amount of points when I fly economy as they do when you fly first class?

I can't order pizza or most of the gift cards. I don't need or want sportsbook cash. Americans only make up 50% of SBR. Should the other 50% of us stage a rebellion because we can't access some of the rewards you can?

[pavyracer]

The points are still valuable. There are just not as valuable anymore. 75% of the US Pros used the points for freeplays and sportsbook cash. So if the most valuable perk is eliminated without being replaced with something else of equal value the renewal rate will be proportional to the loss of perks.

[scottie2005]

Nobody forcing you to use, if you're not satisfied, good luck finding anything comparable

[pavyracer]

Nobody forcing you to use, if you're not satisfied, good luck finding anything comparable

And how would you know what he is talking about since you never purchased anything from the store?

[BranchDavidian]

Yes, yes she can. Non-pros can earn points as well.

And you don't have to pay SBR anything. The $200 is already in an offshore account, SBR only has to verify that for one to become a pro.

Hmmmm. You label me an idiot for raising a legitimate issue, but speak much more respectfully to people that seem to be agreeing with me. Why do people insist on insulting anyone who starts a thread. Why must civil discussions always be hijacked by internet loud-mouths with nothing useful to add?

[Iced]

Hmmmm. You label me an idiot for raising a legitimate issue, but speak much more respectfully to people that seem to be agreeing with me. Why do people insist on insulting anyone who starts a thread. Why must civil discussions always be hijacked by internet loud-mouths with nothing useful to add?

Because your legal case rests on unfounded opinions from fellow SBR posters. And you're complaining about free stuff. I'm ever so sorry if I hurt your feelings. You need a tissue?

[shari91]

The points are still valuable. There are just not as valuable anymore. 75% of the US Pros used the points for freeplays and sportsbook cash. So if the most valuable perk is eliminated without being replaced with something else of equal value the renewal rate will be proportional to the loss of perks.

Where are you getting your figures from? Many posters never saved enough to buy cash in the first place. They spent their points daily in the sportsbook or on other less expensive items ie pizza.

You believe the renewal rate will be proportional to the loss of sportsbook cash. I don't. Not at all. Many Pros were here long before the points program. They already have money in sponsored books and will continue to do so even if the points disappeared tomorrow. For most others they realise that being able to buy everything else in the store as a Pro than a non Pro is highly beneficial even if sportsbook cash isn't there. If there were another gambling forum that offered something even close to what SBR does overall plus had a comparable points program then maybe you'd have a better point. But there's not. And good gamblers know that getting something for free is +EV whether it's sportsbook cash, iPads, gift cards they'd buy at Xmas already, a pizza or whatever. And soon they won't even have to exert the 2 seconds required to type a post. Not bad in my opinion.

[robmpink]

no, I never cashed out anyway to date. Just lose them in the casino.

[Footballtime]

Shari, Would you think the same if you were not able to buy an Ipad from the SBR store??? You are comparing Pizza to Cash!

[shari91]

Shari, Would you think the same if you were not able to buy an Ipad from the SBR store??? You are comparing Pizza to Cash!

I'd think the same regardless. To you sportsbook cash is valuable - to me it's not. I have enough cash in my books and won't be redepositing any time soon. But I will be buying things for my son and gifts for others - I'd sure as hell love free gift cards to be able to do that. Many loyalty programs I'm involved in don't offer the same perks for members of different countries. All of my card and frequent flyer programs to start with. But I'm still a member because the rewards offered to me even when I'm now living in Australia are valuable.

The point is a few people are seeing this as in SBR wants to take the cash away from Americans and now the program's gone to shit for them. If those people realistically sat back and thought about if it would be a smart business move for SBR to do this for the hell of it, they'd come up with no. Even though many people assume the majority of posters are Americans which is false and Pavy threw out the 75% number about how many Pros bought cash, it's not even close. SBR is doing what is to ensure that one day we don't log on here and find the site down because they didn't bother to find out if there's even the slightest possibility that they were violating a law - even a grey shade of it. Unless someone is completely selfish and also doesn't understand the concept that points still have value whether cash is available or not, then they should be patient and just ride it out until a decision is made either way. I'd rather SBR know for sure and then finally the issue can be put to rest, ideally with cash and freeplays available again to everyone.