1. 07-02-11 08:04 PM #1
    jjgold
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    Out Of 50 World Series Of poker Events I See One Big Game That Won Only

    Yeh its a pro sport

    all fukkin no names

    John Juanda
    Helmuth had a few seconds
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  2. 07-02-11 08:44 PM #2
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    So you're saying there's a chance.....

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  3. 07-02-11 08:47 PM #3
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    WTF?
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  4. 07-02-11 08:48 PM #4
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  5. 07-02-11 08:50 PM #5
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    Overall, the whole thing is a goddamn joke.........
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  6. 07-02-11 08:52 PM #6
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    Where are all the great players that are on tv??
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  7. 07-02-11 08:53 PM #7
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Where are all the great players that are on tv??

    14% of these so called "pros" owe me money.

    Seriously, its a goddamn joke.
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  8. 07-02-11 09:07 PM #8
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    All the "pro" are online players now.

    You are an old man that's why you've never heard of Elky, Katchalov, Mercier, etc.

    They are all "pros" winning these.

    Game has changed, tv pros are few and far between, it's just a bunch of aggro online donks fighting it out.
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  9. 07-02-11 09:14 PM #9
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  10. 07-02-11 09:17 PM #10
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    Quote Originally Posted by k13 View Post
    All the "pro" are online players now.

    You are an old man that's why you've never heard of Elky, Katchalov, Mercier, etc.

    They are all "pros" winning these.

    Game has changed, tv pros are few and far between, it's just a bunch of aggro online donks fighting it out.
    Smart post. With Dwan as their poster child.
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  11. 07-02-11 09:57 PM #11
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    Most superstars are Cash Game Players now. Dwan, Antonius, Sahamies, combined have 0 bracelets, but also worth over 50 million each.

    Ivey isnt playing.
    Helmuth cashed 4x.
    Negreanu cashed 2x
    Juanda won a bracelet as you mentioned
    Jason Mercier won a bracelet.
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  12. 07-02-11 10:36 PM #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarlinsFan2212 View Post
    Most superstars are Cash Game Players now. Dwan, Antonius, Sahamies, combined have 0 bracelets, but also worth over 50 million each.

    Ivey isnt playing.
    Helmuth cashed 4x.
    Negreanu cashed 2x
    Juanda won a bracelet as you mentioned
    Jason Mercier won a bracelet.

    antonius dwan and sahamies arnt worth near 50 million each. dwan and sahamies arnt worth shit now. antonius has a some cash though.
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  13. 07-02-11 10:39 PM #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by k13 View Post
    All the "pro" are online players now.

    You are an old man that's why you've never heard of Elky, Katchalov, Mercier, etc.

    They are all "pros" winning these.

    Game has changed, tv pros are few and far between, it's just a bunch of aggro online donks fighting it out.
    Good post bud, I agree!
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  14. 07-02-11 10:42 PM #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarlinsFan2212 View Post
    Most superstars are Cash Game Players now. Dwan, Antonius, Sahamies, combined have 0 bracelets, but also worth over 50 million each.

    Ivey isnt playing.
    Helmuth cashed 4x.
    Negreanu cashed 2x
    Juanda won a bracelet as you mentioned
    Jason Mercier won a bracelet.
    I don't know and doubt the 50M number but either way, your point is correct, there are a lot of big name pros that have done well and an even larger number of lesser known pros have also done well.

    Tourney's (especially the WSOP) are high variance, therefore the "big names" do not always make the final table and/or big cashes.

    I am sure they are probably doing quite well at the side cash games.

    Cheers.
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  15. 07-02-11 11:07 PM #15
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    If you interested in poker a little bit you should recognize that names:

    Bracelet winners: Jake Cody, Allen Bari, Eugene Katchalov, John Juanda, Bertrand Grospellier, Jason Mercier, Andre Akarri.

    Runner ups: Yevgeniy Timoshenko, Maria Ho, Allen Kessler, Phill Hellmuth twice, Eric Buchman, Mike Sexton, Shawn Buchanan, Michael Mizrachi, Justin Bonomo.

    Plenty of names for me.
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  16. 07-02-11 11:08 PM #16
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    Dwan is debatable for 50 mil Net Worth IMO.
    Sahamies not close, but still a happy millionaire.
    Antonius could have 1 dollar and have a net worth of 50 mil because his wife is bangin.
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  17. 07-02-11 11:10 PM #17
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    happy for last years Nov.9 Matt Jarvis to get his 1st bracelet...
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  18. 07-02-11 11:12 PM #18
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    Everybody knows that the real money made during the WSOP is in the cash games. Most pros could care less if they win or not. They make their buyins back in an hour schooling online fish.
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  19. 07-02-11 11:15 PM #19
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    Would be nice to see fuzzydunlop take out Ivey or hellmuth.
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  20. 07-03-11 12:23 AM #20
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    What other sport is like that, where a person could come from nowhere and take it all, maybe women's gymnastics?
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  21. 07-03-11 12:44 AM #21
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    It's harder now for big names ...bigger fields and a lot more talent then in the past
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  22. 07-03-11 01:25 AM #22
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    lol, look at the winner list. Just about all of them are in fact PRO poker players(guys that play poker for a living). The guys you see on TV(Dwan, Ivey, Helmuth, Negreanu, etc) aren't the only PRO poker players. There are thousands of professional poker players that you will not see on television.
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  23. 07-03-11 01:28 AM #23
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    I know this is just to drive traffic but just because you don't recognize a name doesn't mean they aren't good or haven't had success in the past.
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  24. 07-03-11 11:20 AM #24
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    Basically all the "unknowns" winning these are far better than the pros you see on TV
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  25. 07-22-11 09:24 AM #25
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    Through the conclusion of Event #57, the breakdown of professional poker players to semi-pros and amateurs who won gold bracelets has been:


    Professional Players (44):Jake Cody, Cheech Barbaro, Eugene Katchalov, Allen Bari, Harrison Wilder, Matt Perrins, Sean Getzwiller, Viacheslav Zhukov, David Diaz, Andrew Badecker, Tyler Bonkowski, Brian Rast (2 wins), John Juanda, Aaron Steury, Darren Woods, Jason Somerville, Bertrand Grospellier, John Monnette, Elie Payan, Mark Radoja, Chris Viox, Dan Idema, Andy Frankenberger, Chris Lee, Sam Stein, Mark Schmid, Jason Mercier, Mikhail Lakhitov, Fabrice Soulier, Mitch Schock, Matt Jarvis, Justin Pechie, Ben Lamb, Rep Porter, Andre Akkari, Joe Ebanks, Lenny Martin, Athanasios Polychronopoulos, Antonin Teisseire, Matt Matros, Marsha Wolak. Maxim Lykov, Nick Binger

    Semi-Pros (6):    Sean R. Drake, Amir Lehavot, Oleksii Kovalchuk, Eric Rosawig, Arkadiy Tsinis, Alexander Anter

    Amateurs (7):    Geffrey Klein, Foster Hays, James Hess, Kirk Caldwell, Ken Griffin, Owais Ahmed, David Singontiko



    Since tracking first started in 2005, this year’s WSOP has the greatest disparity of professionals winning over semi-pros and amateurs than any year recorded, so far – with 50 out of 57 events being won by pros or semi-pros.
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  26. 07-22-11 09:29 AM #26
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    good stuff k. how do they define semi-pro? a bit curious.
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  27. 07-22-11 09:29 AM #27
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    Most of the guys - known or not - who play in these tournaments are good enough to win any given tournament. There's just not that much difference between them. I'm not saying poker is not game of skill, but once you know what you're doing and you're pretty good, the difference among all those guys just isn't that much. It isn't like other sports where the talent difference usually matters. In poker it doesn't. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that any random douche can win in and win, but of those 8,000+ who entered, probably any of at least have of them have/had almost as good a chance as any other. The top "pros" are just better at marketing and play more and run well at the right times.
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  28. 07-22-11 09:50 AM #28
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    You don't follow poker much do you?
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