[jarvol]

What do you do with the 76 yr old man that didn't save and is now in hospital with life threatening injuries? Do you tell him since he didn't save and can't pay insurance that you won't treat him?

Well the EMTALA legislation from the mid-80s requires hospitals to provide treatment to all regardless of ability to pay their debt and yes it is a travesty. If a 76 year old man can't provide for himself and his family won't provide for him and his friends won't provide for him and the local tax-exempt church won't provide for him.....wlll then it isn't the government's right to steal my money to provide for him. People's choices in life need to have consequences instead of being bailed out by the government at every whimper.

[cant call it]

I also used to be foolish and choose sides as if they were not the same.
Divide and conquer.

[NYSportsGuy210]

Republicans are the most anti-American party known to man. It's all about greed with them....no sense of national pride or compassion for those less fortunate. Screw them all.

[rsnnh12]

Republicans are the most anti-American party known to man. It's all about greed with them....no sense of national pride or compassion for those less fortunate. Screw them all.

In general, Democrats believe in coddling people and Republicans believe in getting people to earn for themselves.

And wasn't there a study done that showed Republicans donate a lot more of their income to charity than Dems do? I'll try to find it. Dems want the evil rich to show compassion, as long as they talk the talk they feel they are in the right.

[cant call it]

I also used to be foolish and choose sides as if they were not the same. Divide and conquer.

Republicans are the most anti-American party known to man. It's all about greed with them....no sense of national pride or compassion for those less fortunate. Screw them all.

[tofuman]

"Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even when there is no river." -Nikita Khrushchev, premier of the Soviet Union, 1957-1964.

[Carseller4]

I used to be a Democrat....but then I got a job.

[newguy]

Republicans are the most anti-American party known to man. It's all about greed with them....no sense of national pride or compassion for those less fortunate. Screw them all.

So you are saying that America was built by giving handouts to everyone? Because I think America was built by people "picking themselves up by their bootstraps" So to say you are anti-American because you think people should reap the rewards of what they sow - I think that is Anti-American.

Why are the less fortunate, less fortunate? You know the answer, whether you want to believe it or not!!

[newguy]

Simply put, yes. Why should productive members of society have to sacrifice in any way to help someone that was unwilling to help himself over the course of his life? His option will be to appeal to charities for money for his treatment.

I agree - I am just saying - since that can never happen, we can never have a flat sales tax and we will always need to find a way to fund programs for those that won't help themselves!!

[jarvol]

I agree - I am just saying - since that can never happen, we can never have a flat sales tax and we will always need to find a way to fund programs for those that won't help themselves!!

Can never happen? Ha! It WILL happen and it will come sooner than you think. These programs are unsustainable ponzi schemes. Debt per capita in America is the same as Greece at nearly $45k per person.

Nearly half the population doesn't pay income taxes. 1 out of 6 depend on government assistance. Fifty million are on Medicaid, a record high and 17 percent increase since December 2007. Food stamp enrollment has climbed nearly 50 percent since 2008 and now stands at 40 million, or one in seven people. Ten million Americans receive unemployment benefits, and 4.4 million get direct cash assistance, an 18 percent increase from two years ago. And these are the numbers from only 4 of the more than 70 programs funded by the federal government.

Nobody is going to fund that type of runaway irresponsibility for much longer.

[Iced]

Republicans are the most anti-American party known to man. It's all about greed with them....no sense of national pride or compassion for those less fortunate. Screw them all.

Lol, because Republicans prefer to tax the rich at 34% as opposed to the Democrats at 41%?

There's no difference between the two parties.

[sneak-a-peak]

Can never happen? Ha! It WILL happen and it will come sooner than you think. These programs are unsustainable ponzi schemes. Debt per capita in America is the same as Greece at nearly $45k per person.

Nearly half the population doesn't pay income taxes. 1 out of 6 depend on government assistance. Fifty million are on Medicaid, a record high and 17 percent increase since December 2007. Food stamp enrollment has climbed nearly 50 percent since 2008 and now stands at 40 million, or one in seven people. Ten million Americans receive unemployment benefits, and 4.4 million get direct cash assistance, an 18 percent increase from two years ago. And these are the numbers from only 4 of the more than 70 programs funded by the federal government.

Nobody is going to fund that type of runaway irresponsibility for much longer.

ya wow those numbers are disastrous

the biggest problem i see is jobs

in the last 10 years 4 million have literally disappeared (we all know where they went)

and the population keeps growing

i am sick to my stomach to have to say i made a hell of a lot more cash in my early 20's compared to me at 30 now

we are goin in wrong direction here

[Grandmaster B]

I used to be a republican....but the parents cut me off

[ACoochy]

Simply put, yes. Why should productive members of society have to sacrifice in any way to help someone that was unwilling to help himself over the course of his life? His option will be to appeal to charities for money for his treatment.

And what if u were to fall sick and the amount it would cost was more than u have saved? By ur reasoning youd be kicked to the curb and left to fend for ur ailing self...Yeah, that really works...

[ACoochy]

Republicans are the most anti-American party known to man. It's all about greed with them....no sense of national pride or compassion for those less fortunate. Screw them all.

But they do have pride...Remember, god bless america

[kingdom]

republicans are like a team without a qb. they just keep throwing guys (and girls) out there hoping something will stick. the palin fiasco of '08 hasn't taught them anything? i think boehner is the only guy with enough balls and swagger to really compete. they would rally behind this guy.

[sneak-a-peak]

And what if u were to fall sick and the amount it would cost was more than u have saved? By ur reasoning youd be kicked to the curb and left to fend for ur ailing self...Yeah, that really works...

i think we can still find ways for people to be insured for medical

right?

and dont forget there will still be a shit ton of cash coming in from a sales tax to cover important things voted for by the people

[jcadwell]

i hate politics.... who cares who ends up in office, either way the outcome will probably look pretty similar after 4 years.

[8ArIvd5]

I used to be a Democrat....but then I got a job.

aren't you the guy who scammed people out of thousands of points?

or was that fiscal irresponsibility?

[kickenchicken]

i used to be a unicorn

[I/O]

[MYFOOTBALLGAME]

Independents are the way to go.

[Andy117]

The GOP wants to do away with Medicare and Social Security

Considering they passed Medicare Part D I'd say they were part of why Medicare has gotten so huge.

[andywend]

What do you do with the 76 yr old man that didn't save and is now in hospital with life threatening injuries? Do you tell him since he didn't save and can't pay insurance that you won't treat him?

You tell him to ask his family and all the friends he has accumulated throughout his life to raise as much money as they possibly can to help with the bill.

If he has no money, no family and no friends that are willing to help pay his medical bills, then the medical care he receives has to have some reasonable limit.

Taking your 76 year old man as an example, what do you do if he needs $1,000,000 worth of medical services, $2 million, $5 million, etc.? Is there any limit?

Do senior citizens get unlimited free medical care forever under socialized medical care programs? Will Canada, France or Germany spend $5 million dollars on an 80 year old patient if the need arises?

As long as people know they will receive unlimited, free medical care as soon as they retire, they will NEVER save adequately throughout their lives to pay for the medical services they consume.

Medicare is a Ponzi scheme and is totally unsustainable going forward. The only logical part about ObamaCare is it starts addressing this serious problem.

[I/O]

fwiw

Rasmussen poll

5th straight week when people asked over the phone, the (any) generic Republican cadidate has beaten comrad Obama

this week was the biggest spread 46% to 42%

[Andy117]

You tell him to ask his family and all the friends he has accumulated throughout his life to raise as much money as they possibly can to help with the bill.

If he has no money, no family and no friends that are willing to help pay his medical bills, then the medical care he receives has to have some reasonable limit.

Taking your 76 year old man as an example, what do you do if he needs $1,000,000 worth of medical services, $2 million, $5 million, etc.? Is there any limit?

Do senior citizens get unlimited free medical care forever under socialized medical care programs? Will Canada, France or Germany spend $5 million dollars on an 80 year old patient if the need arises?

As long as people know they will receive unlimited, free medical care as soon as they retire, they will NEVER save adequately throughout their lives to pay for the medical services they consume.

Medicare is a Ponzi scheme and is totally unsustainable going forward. The only logical part about ObamaCare is it starts addressing this serious problem.

Death Panels!!!!!!!!!!!

[Andy117]

The GOP wants to do away with Medicare and Social Security

Considering they passed Medicare Part D I'd say they were part of why Medicare has gotten so huge.

[WileOut]

There are good points to both parties but I tend to agree more with republican ideas. Especially about the American economy. The USA was built around conservative ideas. That economic system works. It is the better economic system for the upper class and the middle class. Business is always better off under republican perks like tax breaks and incentives to open businesses and expand. Conservatism means less government and less red tape for businesses to operate. The economy will always do better on average with a republican system given the people in the country are smart, responsible people. The poor are better off with a democratic/socialistic system.

Also liberal ideas about legalizing drugs makes sense to me. The fair tax would be a good idea. Legalizing gambling would be nice.

[andywend]

Andy117, it appears you disagree with "death panels" as you like to put it and thats fine.

I would be interested in hearing your solution to the hypothetical example of an 80 year old individual who is very sick, has no savings and needs millions of dollars of medical care to stay alive.

Assuming your answer is for the government to pay for it, now multiply this example by 1 million more cases.

At some point, printing more and more money and creating higher deficits won't work and you could tax the wealthy at a rate of 90% and that wouldn't even make a microscopic financial dent to this problem.

While my solutions (those of Paul Ryan, etc) seem unfair and cruel, I would love to hear other solutions that could work.

I have extensive savings and I still don't take many vacations and drive a 10 year old Chevy Blazer as I want to make sure I can continue to provide whatever my family might need down the road including medical care.

People have to realize NOW that the federal government is NOT the place to go to solve all of your problems in life as Medicare will NOT be around anywhere near its present form in 20 years.

There are good points to both parties but I tend to agree more with republican ideas. Especially about the American economy. The USA was built around conservative ideas. That economic system works. It is the better economic system for the upper class and the middle class. Business is always better off under republican perks like tax breaks and incentives to open businesses and expand. Conservatism means less government and less red tape for businesses to operate. The economy will always do better on average with a republican system given the people in the country are smart, responsible people. The poor are better off with a democratic/socialistic system.

Also liberal ideas about legalizing drugs makes sense to me. The fair tax would be a good idea. Legalizing gambling would be nice.

WileOut, you have my vote if you ever decide to run for President. All of your points are right on the money.[/color]

[PLAYA-PLAYA]

THERE ARE WAY TOO MANY HOGS FOR THE TEATS IN GOVERNMENT-----And THE WATER IN THE CREEK WILL NOT CLEAR UP... TILL YOU GET THE HOGS OUT OF THE CREEK

[Andy117]

Andy117, it appears you disagree with "death panels" as you like to put it and thats fine.

I would be interested in hearing your solution to the hypothetical example of an 80 year old individual who is very sick, has no savings and needs millions of dollars of medical care to stay alive.

Assuming your answer is for the government to pay for it, now multiply this example by 1 million more cases.

At some point, printing more and more money and creating higher deficits won't work and you could tax the wealthy at a rate of 90% and that wouldn't even make a microscopic financial dent to this problem.

While my solutions (those of Paul Ryan, etc) seem unfair and cruel, I would love to hear other solutions that could work.

I have extensive savings and I still don't take many vacations and drive a 10 year old Chevy Blazer as I want to make sure I can continue to provide whatever my family might need down the road including medical care.

People have to realize NOW that the federal government is NOT the place to go to solve all of your problems in life as Medicare will NOT be around anywhere near its present form in 20 years.
WileOut, you have my vote if you ever decide to run for President. All of your points are right on the money.[/color]

Actually I was just kidding with the "death panels" comment. That was one of the rallying cries Palin used against the health care bill. I considered that to be as ridiculous as Dems saying that Ryan's budget was equivalent to pushing Gramma off the cliff in her wheelchair.

[thefonzo]

There are good points to both parties but I tend to agree more with republican ideas. Especially about the American economy. The USA was built around conservative ideas. That economic system works. It is the better economic system for the upper class and the middle class. Business is always better off under republican perks like tax breaks and incentives to open businesses and expand. Conservatism means less government and less red tape for businesses to operate. The economy will always do better on average with a republican system given the people in the country are smart, responsible people. The poor are better off with a democratic/socialistic system.

Also liberal ideas about legalizing drugs makes sense to me. The fair tax would be a good idea. Legalizing gambling would be nice.

And there's the problem right there. The people running the economy (billionairre business owners, big drug tycoons, wall street fat cats, etc.) ARE NOT SMART AND RESPONSIBLE (with respect to what the country needs). They could give 2 shits about what happens as long as their pockets get deeper.

Seriously, unless you are in the top 10% of wage earners in this country, things have been going to hell in a hand basket for thirty years. It's just now reaching its breakig point.

And don't blame one party or the other. The Repubs cater to the wealthiest 10%, and the Dems, well, I'd like to say they cater to the poorest 10%, but honestly I think they don't know what the fuk they are doing.

The 80% of the population that sits in the middle needs to stop being so naive to beleive the BS spewed by either side. Grow some balls, and do something besides the fukking status quo. (If I knew what that something was, I wouldn't be sitting on a gambling forum at midnight on a fukking Wednesday)

[sneak-a-peak]

Andy117, it appears you disagree with "death panels" as you like to put it and thats fine.

I would be interested in hearing your solution to the hypothetical example of an 80 year old individual who is very sick, has no savings and needs millions of dollars of medical care to stay alive.

Assuming your answer is for the government to pay for it, now multiply this example by 1 million more cases.

At some point, printing more and more money and creating higher deficits won't work and you could tax the wealthy at a rate of 90% and that wouldn't even make a microscopic financial dent to this problem.

While my solutions (those of Paul Ryan, etc) seem unfair and cruel, I would love to hear other solutions that could work.

I have extensive savings and I still don't take many vacations and drive a 10 year old Chevy Blazer as I want to make sure I can continue to provide whatever my family might need down the road including medical care.

People have to realize NOW that the federal government is NOT the place to go to solve all of your problems in life as Medicare will NOT be around anywhere near its present form in 20 years.
WileOut, you have my vote if you ever decide to run for President. All of your points are right on the money.[/color]

millions of dollars?

get the fukk outta here!

your privileged ass act likes there's no compassion in this world!

get tha fark outta here

[jarvol]

And there's the problem right there. The people running the economy (billionairre business owners, big drug tycoons, wall street fat cats, etc.) ARE NOT SMART AND RESPONSIBLE (with respect to what the country needs). They could give 2 shits about what happens as long as their pockets get deeper.

Seriously, unless you are in the top 10% of wage earners in this country, things have been going to hell in a hand basket for thirty years. It's just now reaching its breakig point.

And don't blame one party or the other. The Repubs cater to the wealthiest 10%, and the Dems, well, I'd like to say they cater to the poorest 10%, but honestly I think they don't know what the fuk they are doing.

The 80% of the population that sits in the middle needs to stop being so naive to beleive the BS spewed by either side. Grow some balls, and do something besides the fukking status quo. (If I knew what that something was, I wouldn't be sitting on a gambling forum at midnight on a fukking Wednesday)

Absolutely. For starters that 80% of the population needs to stop electing and re-electing the same ol' Repubs and Dems to office.

[freelee]

all of the above

she is not a leader

she is a hockey mom

this is supposed to be the greatest country on earth

we cant have walking talking disasters running it

The president doesnt run anything they are just puppets controlled by the hook noses